Don't listen to this man he is a false prophet.
Also the grenade pin was already pulled and Batman is against the clock fighting other goons. It's like some of you want him to go full batgod
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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Also the grenade pin was already pulled and Batman is against the clock fighting other goons. It's like some of you want him to go full batgod
BronsonLee
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I only tell truths
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And yeah, there was no saving those guys. They went towards the grenade themselves to try and throw it at him.
I suppose it's a good thing to have varying views of the movie over here at least.
Hold up there, reed Richards! Less than a minute is spent on the Flash and it's almost all built around him coming from a post-apokolptic future. Context is always key. It has nothing to do with grimdark and I don't even know what that means still.
NealMcCauley
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I mean, I think it's left open as to whether he's been corrupted by Darkseid and isn't actually himself so that could be fixed. His speech at his house was the first major sign he clearly wasn't all there.
Jean Valjean
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It seems that they still don't get Superman and shit on the character. Oh well.
ViewtifulJC
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I have a feeling there's gonna be varying views on this movie all over the damn place
question is, how will fans react to different opinions on yet another divisive zack snyder movie
Glass Shark
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There is absolutely nothing in the movie that suggests he's possessed or corrupted by Darkseid. The only way anyone could possibly think that is if they're already a huge comic book fan and put pieces together that aren't really there.
How about you actually watch the movie first instead? Everything done with Superman was great. The positions he was put into, struggling with what he represents, how he views the world, and then ultimately realizing it's his world to protect.
It's left to interruption at the end whether or not he knows Darkseid is coming. His words, actions, and symbolism he uses supports that but they never outright tell you. It's done in an almost haunting way.
Dash_Riprock
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Same as MoS; pretend they're a vocal minority and then bury their heads in the sand?
Lex had two core motivations, one which was explicitly stated and the other which is implied. The explicitly stated one was to reveal the hypocrisy / paradox / incongruity of power and goodness... either you can be all-powerful, which includes the power to do evil and take lives at will... or you can be all-good, which limits your power by caring about others, restricts your usage, and subjects you to leverage. Luthor loathes Superman because he's held up as someone with both while Lex is someone with power but who had to be somewhat evil to achieve it. He wants Superman either at his level of compromise or to bow before him, either outcome is acceptable; Superman frying him with heat vision on record is actually an acceptable outcome to him because it proves his point... you can't be good and powerful.
The secondary motivation is revealed in his ramblings at the end. It's strongly suggested that Lex is under the influence of something beyond... likely / possibly Darkseid. Cyborg was created by a Mother Box, Flash is providing transtemporal visions, and Wonder Woman admits to slaying monsters from other worlds... the idea of Darkseid (or Brainiac?) having a hold on Lex isn't too out there.
It tried to do great things, that counts for me. I'd be more salty if it was a 95% Rt family friendly vanilla movie.
thecouncil
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Where do you get that from? He's constantly trying to do the right thing in this movie. Trying to de-escalate things with Batman. There's actually montage of him saving people in various situations.
His scene with Martha was nice. She tells him he doesn't owe the world anything and he's basically like, 'Nahhhhhhhh.'
BronsonLee
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Well to be fair, the assumption seems to be a Flash from the future trying to warn Batman about Superman... what I don't get is it's relevancy in the context of this movie.. since he's all like find Lois Lane or something!
And still not sure if Bruce was dreaming or a vision or what!
So some quickie thoughts on a repeated viewing.
I think solidifies that it's closer to a 8.5 than a 9 for me, still really good.
The beginning flows better when you know how all the pieces eventually fit together. Not sure if that will flow for many, but eh.
Lex is really the star of the whole shebang.
I like that Wonder Woman spends most of the movie trying to avoid the conflict, but even she has her breaking point... curious if her movie will expand on her "I've killed things from other worlds before" line
On 2nd viewing, I really do feel bad for Cavill he is just forced to make the goofiest faces. Though the appearance by his Pa makes a bit more sense when paying complete attention to it.
Didn't realize how little Mercy actually spoke in the movie. And still think Lex did her dirty!
I was paying extra attention to all of the Bathem this time. And okay, first I think the car that he grapples was empty. The first one drives up and second was empty because thought was a dick-move for him to drag it around.
The vehicles.. for the most part have that same problem Zack had in MoS, it seems like he is aiming for their tires (not the people), but it still blows up... so doubt they live who knows
But the one was paying real attention to was the flamethrower... not even in the sense that he kills him, but whether or not Bruce pulls the trigger himself. And he does and me no likey, but doesn't break the movie for me.
Like his no-kill is really really stretchy in movies, but his no-guns has usually been pretty solid.
Other best Batman says otherwise. :
He even kills with a smile on his face!
...Dammit, you're right lol
Still, I think doing it like this is a huge mistake
I thought Flash was referring to Martha?
Nah, he specifically says Lois is the key and tells Bruce to find "them"
Glass Shark
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No, he said something like, "It's Lois, it's always Lois, she's the key to all this, you have to find her."
(best scene of the movie IMO)
NealMcCauley
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at. His jail speech was basically "I opened the door for others, and there's nothing you can do to stop them coming" followed by a close-up of the painting with the demon and planet on fire at the top.
I see, thank you guys! Don't see why Lois but still. Maybe she's pregnant like in Injustice?
BronsonLee
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Because they need to give her relevance beyond being a pain in the goddamn ass and Superman bait
thecouncil
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I don't know. I mean, I understand the problem but it's a real non-issue in this movie, I felt.
He knocks a grenade out of a dude's hand in that scene and the dude goes for it instead of running away. What was Batman supposed to do when that guy pulled the pin? He is also, literally, on a countdown clock and is moving real fast through that crowd.
Considering before sacrifing himself Superman tells Lois she's his world (after saying this is his world), she is most likely the reason he snaps. The movie actually goes out of its way to point out how much he bends himself to protect her.
It would be fun for it it be a heavily condensed version of Flashpoint, but.... considering who the writers are... I dunno.
BronsonLee
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I legit could see them straight up doing Injustice.
Oh god now I need it
thecouncil
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Superman is hopelessly devoted to Lois in this movie.
Dude is fighting Doomsday and then just leaves the battle cause he hears Lois in trouble.
It's like when the dog from 'UP' would yell "Squirrel!" and look off into the distance.
Dude is fighting Doomsday and then just leaves the battle cause he hears Lois in trouble.
It's like when the dog from 'UP' would yell "Squirrel!" and look off into the distance.
BronsonLee
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Oh and I lol'd at them just not giving a flying fuck about secret identities between the superheroes at all
And Lex clearly already knows everything when he brings them together, troll supreme
And Lex clearly already knows everything when he brings them together, troll supreme
You saw it already?
Sibersk Esto
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It really isn't. Luthor at his best has always been an egotistical mad genius hiding behind the facade of a capable businessman.
Inferno313
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I think the 70s Superman films, The Nolan Batman Films, and the Rami Spidey films have kind of run the dramatic potential of a secret identity dry. Marvel's been smart to mostly ignore that stuff in the MCU.
While I wouldn't want to see them totally ignore the duality of Clark/Superman and Bruce/Batman, I think leaving "WILL THEY FIND OUT HIS IDENTITY" as a serious concern off the table is probably good at this point.
Wonder Woman's role makes sense. In that she is on her own mission, which happens to crossover with Bruce's. So she's not related to the main plot, but it doesn't feel like a completely different movie.
Her role does the most to set up her movie and JL, but I felt organically. Since her motivation for dealing with Lex and Bruce makes sense in terms of what she is seeking and how it relates to her movie.
Yep.
A few more random thoughts:
Whoever Dan Amboyer (or whatever his name is) was playing did not even appear in the movie
I was pleasantly surprised to see Joe Morton as Silas Stone, I've liked him since his days playing Henry on Eureka and had no idea he was in the movie.
It was nice to see Carol/Carrie Ferris still kicking around in the military.
Whoever Dan Amboyer (or whatever his name is) was playing did not even appear in the movie
I was pleasantly surprised to see Joe Morton as Silas Stone, I've liked him since his days playing Henry on Eureka and had no idea he was in the movie.
It was nice to see Carol/Carrie Ferris still kicking around in the military.
Messypandas
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How was Scoot McNairy? I like him in Halt and Cacth Fire.
That's who that was!
He did just fine as the bitter war vet the movie essentially plays him as
Schweinehund
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I get the opposite impression from some of the spoilers. He sounds very heroic. Like they said fuck it to all the MoS critics and pandered to it.
Unless you're admiring Superman for his raw power alone,
then I guess you could be disappointed by him getting beat up by Batman and dying to doomsday.
Speaking of, I can imagine that conversation going on around the world. Superman dying will only make people more curious to see the movie.
Speaking of, I can imagine that conversation going on around the world. Superman dying will only make people more curious to see the movie.
I'm going to spoiler stuff just because people are coming in now, asking questions but they might read something they didn't want to ask about.
BronsonLee
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Nah you in the Spoiler Thread you fucking up
Superman beats Batman and breaks his back, but Alfred saves him with a devastating haymaker, but then HERE COMES LOIS LANE WITH A STEEL CHAIR TO THE BACK
Superman beats Batman and breaks his back, but Alfred saves him with a devastating haymaker, but then HERE COMES LOIS LANE WITH A STEEL CHAIR TO THE BACK
He was perfectly fine as an angry and bitter disaster survivor.
Back to the Flash bit again, his appearance was very much in line with Crisis on Infinite Earths, there is a sequence where Barry starts to appear before random characters (including Batman) and you later discover it's Barry from the near future trying to warn everyone.
Ha, I was wondering if Luthor was talking about the Anti-Monitor at one point
"He's coming and he's hungry!"
Poodlestrike
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I'm wagering that the Knightmare is the result of some kind of future tech mind transferral stuff, probably linked to Barry's powers/suit somehow, sending warnings back to the past. That'll be how they connect this stuff and lead up to the Darkseid reveal. We might get a similar sequence in Wondy and maybe even Squad, if so.
There's an Injustice panel for this
BronsonLee
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Where do you think I got it from, a Cracker Jack box?!
GringoSuave89
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Between the Parademons and Mother Box, they're leaning pretty heavy on Darkseid.
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