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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Father_Brain said:
There's a second dream?

Also, those cameos are near the end? I was under the impression that they were around the midway point.
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The Knightmare is a dream within a dream. It really doesn't make sense unless you see it. The reveals were about 2/3 of the way through the movie via watching recorded footage on a laptop, right around when the action goes into overdrive. They're really not implemented that well into the story.
 
BronsonLee said:
Knightmare is visually awesome but a waste of goddamn time in this movie.

Flash showing up looking like he was just LARPing at a steampunk festival fucked me up

And then revealing everybody else in surveillance footage/15 second cameos was just lame
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You clearly can tell they put it in there because needed an action sequence, but I don't mind it.

Since kind of built up, third dream Bruce has

The beginning which is the past
The parents thing which is the present
Then the nightmare which is the future.

It's the Flash thing that leaves you confused

Father_Brain said:
There's a second dream?

Also, those cameos are near the end? I was under the impression that they were around the midway point.
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It's like a dream within a dream... and I think that will probably leave a few people baffled.

It's funny if they had cut that scene and put it in the credits, imagine folks would be more welcoming, but in the middle of the movie with no real pay-off in said film, it's strange.

And the cameos are pretty much during the 3rd act when things are ramping up
 
Father_Brain said:
There's a second dream?

Also, those cameos are near the end? I was under the impression that they were around the midway point.
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There are multiple dreams and visions throughout. It sets the tone at the start when, and I'm spoiler tagging this because it is a "what the hell?" moment,
a swarm of bats levitate kid Bruce out of cave, and adult Bruce narrates it's about a dream.
 
StaticJam said:
You do realize cutting an hour off the movie would actively make it worse, right? Like the length is literally only an issue if you're referring to it not being long enough. Do you have any idea what you're even talking about?
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Going for the ad hominem just because i didn't like a movie you liked? That's really lovely behavior.

Have you seen the movie? It's too long. Way too long. It has stuff that doesn't need to be there. It's tedious and it gets boring. That is an opinion, it might differ from yours, but I surely have the right to state my opinions. Right?

Messypandas said:
Dawn of the Dead? Written by James Gunn...
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Shit, forgot that one. Horrible remake. Although he got something right with Guardians of the Galaxy, one of my favorite Marvel movies. Can't wait for the Vol. 2.
 
Father_Brain said:
man, too many threads

What's the worst aspect of the film with respect to shoehorned DCCU setup? Knightmare? Sounds like it has some cool visuals but otherwise completely stops the film's narrative dead for the sake of Justice League setup.
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The Knightmare will just confuse people. Probably the easiest thing to remove from the movie.

I'm fairly sure the entire Diana / Wonder Woman character could be removed with little effect but not as easily as the Knightmare section.

The Justice League cameos are also just there, really.

Father_Brain said:
There's a second dream?

Also, those cameos are near the end? I was under the impression that they were around the midway point.
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The second dream with Flash is immediately following the Knightmare bit. It's literally a dream in a dream. Bruce wakes up from Knightmare to be faced with Flash screaming in his face.

The cameos aren't at the very end but towards the end.
 
thecouncil said:
I'm fairly sure the entire Diana / Wonder Woman character could be removed with little effect but not as easily as the Knightmare section.

The Justice League cameos are also just there, really.
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This one was strange. It felt that Wonder Woman was there only to promote her own and Justice League movies. It felt like she was written in in a hurry. She wasn't introduced at all. Now they expect people to know who Wonder Woman is.
 
thecouncil said:
The Knightmare will just confuse people. Probably the easiest thing to remove from the movie.

I'm fairly sure the entire Diana / Wonder Woman character could be removed with little effect but not as easily as the Knightmare section.

The Justice League cameos are also just there, really.



The second dream with Flash is immediately following the Knightmare bit. It's literally a dream in a dream. Bruce wakes up from Knightmare to be faced with Flash screaming in his face.

The cameos aren't at the very end but towards the end.
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AmaterasuOni said:
This one was strange. It felt that Wonder Woman was there only to promote her own and Justice League movies. It felt like she was written in in a hurry. She wasn't introduced at all. Now they expect people to know who Wonder Woman is.
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Would I be correct in saying that it feels like WW is in the film more because someone arbitrarily decided that they "had to" put the whole Trinity together before JL, rather than because they had an actual story idea for her? That's what I've feared since it was announced she was in the film.

But at least it sounds like Snyder/Terrio do a fairly good job with the character in whatever screen time she has, so it could have been a lot worse?
 
Father_Brain said:
Would I be correct in saying that it feels like WW is in the film more because someone arbitrarily decided that they "had to" put the whole Trinity together before JL, rather than because they had an actual story idea for her? That's what I've feared since it was announced she was in the film.

But at least it sounds like Snyder/Terrio do a fairly good job with the character in whatever screen time she has, so it could have been a lot worse?
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Not to invite further Iron Man 2 comparisons. WW's role is akin to Black Widow in that film.
 
I was developing a thought that Wonder Woman was part of Bruce's imagination because he's the only character that interacts with her throughout, but she also talked to a flight attendant, I think.
 
Father_Brain said:
Would I be correct in saying that it feels like WW is in the film more because someone arbitrarily decided that they "had to" put the whole Trinity together before JL, rather than because they had an actual story idea for her? That's what I've feared since it was announced she was in the film.
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Yep, at least I thought she was put in in a hurry. They had to introduce her (and give brief glimpse of what's to come) with the whole JL spinoff twist. It was totally unnecessary and I think that's the reason why it was so long. That's the extra hour.

But at least it sounds like Snyder/Terrio do a fairly good job with the character in whatever screen time she has, so it could have been a lot worse?
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I liked her even though she didn't get to show any real character. But her superhero presence was cool.
 
Maybe I'm biased, but I liked her role. She has maybe 15 mins in the movie.
She's more relevant to Bruce (he does have an eye for pretty ladies) and it gave him someone to do something with at the end if they were going that route with Superman.

Or I guess another way, I never felt that she felt out of place in this movie or that her scenes slowed down anything.

thecouncil said:
I just remembered Bruce's email to Diana:

THIS IS YOU!


*scroll down*


WHO ARE YOU?


*scroll down*


HEY!


*scroll down*


WHATS GOIN ON HERE?!
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This part cracked me up

Not because of the scrolling, but it wasn't a long e-mail

Where was it so many lines?

Like was Bruce hitting enter for dramatic effect?
 
Penguin said:
Maybe I'm biased, but I liked her role. She has maybe 15 mins in the movie.
She's more relevant to Bruce (he does have an eye for pretty ladies) and it gave him someone to do something with at the end if they were going that route with Superman.

Or I guess another way, I never felt that she felt out of place in this movie or that her scenes slowed down anything.



This part cracked me up

Not because of the scrolling, but it wasn't a long e-mail

Where was it so many lines?

Like was Bruce hitting enter for dramatic effect?
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BRUCE TYPES IN ALL CAPS AND SPACES FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT BECAUSE HIS PARENTS ARE DEAD.
 
broncobuster said:
I loved that most fights are dirty. No grace when Batman and Superman throw down. Doomsday fight was cool and unique to see multiple heroes fight one villain with combo attacks. Usually in comic films, it's against an army or one on one.
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This is good to hear. We have been missing a team up vs. one villain on film. I was hoping Age of Ultron would do it, but they didn't.
 
AmaterasuOni said:
Because of the script! Which was full of these stupid holes.
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I felt like everyone's motivations were really muddled. Like, obviously Bruce wanted to stop Superman, right? But did he ever actually want to kill him? Near the end there it sure seemed like it. But if he did want to kill Superman, there are like a billion better ways to do it than what he tried. And if he's supposed to be a supergenius detective with perfect planning capabilities, he could have figured those out.

Bruce Wayne is an anti-Mary Sue.
 
jrh2 said:
why didn't Bruce just put kryptonite bullets in those miniguns

EDIT: whoops, sorry for the double post
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It seems like limited supply and for some reason he wanted to prove a lesson.

Like the same reason he cuts him before going in for the killing blow.
 
Sooooo

The embargo is about to go up on reviews and the Tomatometer is not going to be kind to the movie...

Not a flop, but my friend has come down from his hype levels of excitement and pretty much confirms the movie has some deep flaws.

That Mexican reviewer that said the movie was amazing, incredible and bla bla bla? Paid reaction, obviously.
 
Joeytj said:
Sooooo

The embargo is about to go up on reviews and the Tomatometer is not going to be kind to the movie...
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jrh2 said:
I felt like everyone's motivations were really muddled. Like, obviously Bruce wanted to stop Superman, right? But did he ever actually want to kill him? Near the end there it sure seemed like it. But if he did want to kill Superman, there are like a billion better ways to do it than what he tried. And if he's supposed to be a supergenius detective with perfect planning capabilities, he could have figured those out.

Bruce Wayne is an anti-Mary Sue.
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Batman's motivations are pretty clear. He's displayed as someone who's reached the point where he inflicts suffering on people. It's not just about justice with him anymore. And in regards to killing him, it's literally said out loud for you. I think this is a case of you not really paying much attention. The only character in the movie who has muddled motivations is Lex but they try to bring it back at the end of the movie.

I mean, come on now. It's been over a month since I saw the movie, and even with so much that had happened, and my memory of it diminishing due to time, I don't seem to be as confused as some of you. Film is a visual medium. Scenes of Batman going off the rails are there for reason. They give insight to his character.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
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Friend :P

He says that it's looking like in the 60s or 70s.

Let's see...

EDIT: Sorry, he meant in the 80s probably. But lots of mixed reviews and word got out among entertainment reporters about that Mexican "reviewer" being paid-off by Warner. His name is Alvaro Cuevas from Milenio.com, and yeah, lots of gossip in Mexico about this.

EDIT: Yeah, I'll be more careful about my sources. Don't want to get into trouble. I know it's kind of late for that, but just to be careful.
 
broncobuster said:
Not to invite further Iron Man 2 comparisons. WW's role is akin to Black Widow in that film.
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What a surprise.

INST said:
I heard people say they film should have been shorter, while others wanted more to iron out some issues....

This is going to be MoS all over again. Luckily this time our new cycle (who is doing the image?) won't last as long. Suicide Squad is coming in August.
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I feel that Suicide Squad is gonna be one of those films that is either instantly a classic or complete shit.

There will be no in between.
 
thecouncil said:
I liked when Batman turned on the signal and then waited, staring at the sky for a good 30 minutes for Superman to show up.
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The film wants to show things concurrently, but rather than cut between scenes, it plays one and then the other. Take
Batman changes into his regular costume, flies to and saves Ma Kent, all in the time it takes Superman to fly across the pond to confront Luthor.
 
Joeytj said:
Sooooo

The embargo is about to go up on reviews and the Tomatometer is not going to be kind to the movie...

Not a flop, but my friend has come down from his hype levels of excitement and pretty much confirms the movie has some deep flaws.

That Mexican reviewer that said the movie was amazing, incredible and bla bla bla? Paid reaction, obviously.
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And people on this site who have shared their reactions?
Also paid?

Verendus said:
Batman's motivations are pretty clear. He's displayed as someone who's reached the point where he inflicts suffering on people. It's not just about justice with him anymore. And in regards to killing him, it's literally said out loud for you. I think this is a case of you not really paying much attention. The only character in the movie who has muddled motivations is Lex but they try to bring it back at the end of the movie.

I mean, come on now. It's been over a month since I saw the movie, and even with so much that had happened, and my memory of it diminishing due to time, I don't seem to be as confused as some of you. Film is a visual medium. Scenes of Batman going off the rails are there for reason. They give insight to his character.
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I don't know, I think Lex's motivation is fairly clear.

He just wants to destroy the image of Superman as a symbol of godliness.

He sets Batman on him, in hopes that either Batman would kill him or Superman would kill Batman proving he's only a man.

He creates Doomsday as a back-up plan to destroy Superman

And then when those failed, he's like let me just call other alien species!
 
Spanish language reviews are coming in early at RottenTomatoes. Their Mexican site is putting them up early.

They're rotten:

The film is a discordant and almost three hour experience. There are some good and bad things, but still better than Man of Steel. [Full review in Spanish]
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Not only is this a big let down in every sense, it makes you wonder if the rest of the DC Comics films will have the same fate. [Full review in Spanish]
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Penguin said:
I don't know, I think Lex's motivation is fairly clear.

He just wants to destroy the image of Superman as a symbol of godliness.

He sets Batman on him, in hopes that either Batman would kill him or Superman would kill Batman proving he's only a man.

He creates Doomsday as a back-up plan to destroy Superman

And then when those failed, he's like let me just call other alien species!
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It's clear in that you understand his issue with Superman, and the plan with Batman, but I had difficulty with the extreme he went to with Spike-Hulk. That's where he lost me a little. As in, why that far? He becomes a bit too much of a maniac with that move I felt. (And that's saying something considering what he does in this movie.) Not that I'm really complaining since I still liked his character, but I want him reigned in a little.
 
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