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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
If he were to run independent.
Otherwise he is fine. I reckon many of his supporters enjoy seeing him continue. Take a chill pill.
Super Tuesday 4. I'm really feeling (The After Bern) March 22, 26 contests
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If he were to run independent.
Otherwise he is fine. I reckon many of his supporters enjoy seeing him continue. Take a chill pill.
Is he really "pissing away" money? A sizable amount of people feel represented by him and are contributing to have someone campaign about how they feel. People sometimes act like Bernie is getting Rubio or Jeb turnout at these elections when he is still holding his own
boiled goose
good with gravy
Nah. Every second Bernie is on the air it is good for America.
legacyzero
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Hell yes.
Hmm.. People keep donating. AND, I imagine last night's victories will pull in a few more dollars I think. You dont just stop funding a "political revolution" and wait for it to succeed. AND it's probably WHY he's still going. The people are funding this. So he cant just up and give up.
Yep
OuterLimits
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Hell, Jeb Bush endorsing Cruz probably helps Trump and hurts Cruz.
Bernie has no responsibility to stop spending his money. If his supporters want to continue funding a losing effort, they are entitled to do so. I personally think it's silly these passionate supporters won't shift their focus and donate to down-ticket races or specific causes where their money would actually make a difference at this point.
balladofwindfishes
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It does hurt his message eventually.
When he has absolutely no chance at all, not even a sliver of a dream, but he's still out there acting like he's going to win, it'll come across as dishonest, pointless and stupid.
It's already getting dangerously close to that line. He already raises eyebrows with jumping on the Super Delegate crazy train, along with his Clinton Twitter comment fails, and his somewhat shady emails to get donations where he has blind, almost dishonest, optimism.
legacyzero
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*HORN*
Bernie is going for a contested convention.
UnObtainium17
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It's possible to donate money to bernie AND also to other causes, B.
balladofwindfishes
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There's absolutely no way that happens. Hillary is well on her way to easily secure the nomination.
Yeah but it wouldn't be the first time Sanders supporters looked at the GOP mess and found something to emulate. Incredible
Yeah lets see how that works out for him.
The blowouts are also coming from Caucus States.
IE "you don't get to go home till we agree". That heavily favors Bernie where his most enthusiastic supporters can shine. It's also the least Democratic process out of the three primary types; followed by closed and open primaries.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Nah. His supporters want him to keep running. The average voter is not following the math closely and will see wins like idaho and utah and think there's a race.
The gop is going for a contested convention so bernie staying on is not unusual.
The only people wanting him to drop are big democratic donors or Hillary supporters scared that he exposes her issues as a candidate.
A long democratic primary is good for the country.
legacyzero
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I imagine Debbie Wasserman Schultz, with all of her integrity and honor, would LOVE that idea! /S
What part of "revolution" didn't you understand?
RPGCrazied
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Nice, Trump got obliterated in Utah.
Macho Madness
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The convention won't be contested.
balladofwindfishes
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Like the last half dozen times "now there's a race!" happened and then Bernie gets crushed the next week? His supporters aren't who he needs to care about. They're his supporters already. Him saying the same stuff that appeals to them is pointless. They're just paying to hear his voice.
The GOP has a much tighter race and there's a 50/50 shot it goes to a contested convention. There's no chance it goes to the convention for Bernie. None.
What will exposing her issues as a candidate do, but harm? Bernie won't be the nominee. It isn't happening. Why does he want to help Hillary lose the election?
50% is the threshold, right? So it won't happen unless O'Malley's delegates stick with him and Bernie and Hillary literally tie?
With coverage diminishing, a dollar spent now is worth far less than a dollar spent four months ago, when I donated, and it will take something far more significant than campaigning for him to win.
He'll be in to the end to keep up his message, but I strongly suspect his expenditures and fundraising will die down. It's hard to read their fundraising emails and not feel like they know things are winding down.
The electoral college math is already strongly against the GOP. An establishment candidate would likely show up and produce something similar to the McCain or Romney maps, losing by a substantial margin.
Their only real chance is a wild card, Trump is the closest they have to a wild card. That doesn't mean he has a really good shot at winning, just that his results will have far more variability than the otherwise guaranteed loss the other candidates offer.
That is literally the very reason super delegates were put in place, to prevent a brokered/contested convention.
I could see that being Sanders' strategy though, as Devine and Weaver are fucking clowns. They're basically that guy who tries peddling oregano to freshmen claiming it's weed to con money out of them.
As long as he focuses on what matters. He should stay in untill Clinton hits the magic number. But only if it's to add to the conversation. Tearing down Democrats and Clinton when so much is on the line when looking at the ineligibility of the other side isn't something that should be supported.
I laughed at the poster that said Trump is the GOPs strongest candidate in cycles, because he's actually the weakest outside of strong partisans.
That doesn't mean he won't win if the left splits, like so often is the case in history where hard right authoritarians took power.
The left have a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and fracturing over very minor tactics issues (not even policy disagreements!)
Yes. Mid west, caucuses are rife for peer pressure and bully voting.
We're done with caucuses (pretty much) after Saturday, it's gonna be Hillary wins 90% all the way from that point on.
You missed the /s right?
Gordon Shumway
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I saw it as a kiss of death, honestly..
That's all true, but running up the numbers in Red States does nothing, especially if swing States find his candidacy toxic.
With the deep unfavorables from women and minorities, Trump would have to win the white male vote by 70%. 7 out of every 10 male voters! Everywhere!
Nothing is impossible according to prpbalistic nature of string theory, but I'm not going to pass through a wall any time soon.
The only way Trump wins is if the Democrats cut off their nose to spite their face. All at a time when the nation and party are moving left and gaining popularity.
Not going to happen.
By the time California votes outstanding supers will throw their support behind the candidate with the most pledged delegates. That will easily put Hillary past the magic number.
Just like Obama in 2008.
If Bernie wants to win, he's going to need to figure out a way to get the most pledged delegates by the convention.
It's almost as unlikely as Trump being president.
The only way this happens at all at this point is if Bernie does exactly what he has been rallying against. Going against the will of the people and convincing Hillary-pledged delegates to switch despite her winning the majority.
I can pay $200 on a student loan & flush $200 down the toilet. Just because I can do both doesn't mean the later isn't a silly use of my money.
Walter White Walker
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This will be the first time in....forever?...that the national media has cared at all how we vote in the caucus in Washington. Usually it's entirely wrapped up by this point.
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Most of his donations are more like 20 dollars, not 200. Don't be so melodramatic. I'm just happy young people are actually getting more engaged in democrat politics.
Are they though? From what I've seen from young Bernie supporters, he's a fad to them.
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
They will be interested in participating in the general too. Its only a matter of months away.
In 2018 it goes back to low turnout, probably.
Or, alternatively, coin flips.
A $20 lottery ticket hoping for free college and higher wages doesn't equal votes in the general for the person who won't give that to you.
I do hope so, Bernie has a lot of convincing to do (to get them on board with Hillary).
If they're new to politics they're gonna wonder why he's doing a complete U-turn though. (Even tho it's obvious, it still comes across as hypocritical and dishonest).
NervousXtian
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Bernie-stans are getting awfully predictable.
Lose a state? Claim voter mass voter fraud and ask for results to be voided.
Win a state? Claim victory over everything, and call out the media as in HRC pocket for not #feelingthebern enough.
It's fucking all hyperbole good or bad. It's fucking intolerable. Sorry Bernie, I like you.. but your fans are almost universally horrible people.
Lose a state? Claim voter mass voter fraud and ask for results to be voided.
Win a state? Claim victory over everything, and call out the media as in HRC pocket for not #feelingthebern enough.
It's fucking all hyperbole good or bad. It's fucking intolerable. Sorry Bernie, I like you.. but your fans are almost universally horrible people.
gutter_trash
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to add on that downticket boon; she gained and continues to gain support from various labor unions who in the end can get the vote out.
Most/all labor unions (since I last checked a few months back) that actually decided their support directly from its members went for Bernie.
I haven't bothered to look into newer supporters, just keeping this talking point honest.
Macho Madness
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She's winning by perhaps doing the most important thing a Democratic candidate can do these days: Building a diverse coalition that will come out and vote for you in the general election. That's the pattern Obama setup and she has ran with it.
balladofwindfishes
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The ridiculous part of all this is that it's likely the issues in Arizona helped Bernie lol
Not that the issues in Arizona aren't bad. But I've seen quite a lot of Bernie supporters claiming there's underhanded deals with Hillary being made or how it was her fault. When it helped Bernie. And also affected the GOP...
Isn't turnout down from the 2008 primaries, meaning that young people are less engaged than 8 years ago?
shortsFortallPeople
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Obama had a harder time becoming the nominee in 2008.
Berniestans need to start packing it up, they aren't going to make fetch happen
DragonSworne
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I hope voter turnout gets better in the GE for the democrats.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Exposing issues with our government is good for the country. I see Clinton and the Democrats as at least complicit in that problem.
Hillary's flaws are not Bernies fault. He is either exposing them when the gop will do the same, or exposing flaws that the gop has more of.
So the voting problems in Arizona were a statewide thing and not only with the democratic primary?
Bernie is the ice bucket challenge of 2016.
balladofwindfishes
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Many of the issues Bernie and his crew have raised have been non-issues. Even worse are stupid stuff like the emails and Hillary being indicted that are pure nonsense that do nothing but hurt the very cause Bernie is pushing for.
Making mountains out a molehills isn't helping the country. Picking apart every little detail of Hillary from the last 30 years isn't helping the country.
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