Super Tuesday 4. I'm really feeling (The After Bern) March 22, 26 contests

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Ryoku said:
But who is kill?
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Officerrob said:
Bernie supporters are fine, your posting habits on the other hand...
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Zornack said:
More people voted for Clinton than Obama in 2008.
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I like how you stated it flat out despite the fact that there's all kinds of context needed to understand that sentence. Not misleading at all.

Clinton won the popular vote if you count Michigan, where Obama wasn't on the ballot.
 
I mean this is really fucked up

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These people have been in line for over 6 hours now. What the hell is happening there?
 
Some shady shit going on with AZ democratic primary. http://usuncut.com/news/arizona-polling-disaster/

Leaders from the Arizona branch of the Democratic Party have confirmed that its lawyers are officially making an inquiry after multiple Democratic voters showed up to the polls only to find that they were listed as independents, Republicans, or had no party affiliation at all.

Many voters wound up having to wait in line under the hot Arizona sun only to find that they were ineligible to vote for the candidates of their choice. To add insult to injury, the polling locations have been so poorly planned that many voters had to wait in line up to four hours before finding out that their information had been improperly filed.
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RobotHaus said:
Did they give any reasoning for it?
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um... saving money. And the assholes that thought that was a great idea were on the local Sunday news shows stating that Arizona shouldn't even be paying for election coverage.

FML. Democrat in Arizona is a subset of hell.

edit: Anecdotal at this point but worth saying... there were a lot of Bernie supporters and while discussing him not getting into the GE they all said they would back Clinton 100%. I thought that was neat. A lot of younger voters this time around at the polls from 2012.
 
Sweet jesus. Hopefully Washington gets their shit figured out by Saturday so I'm not waiting 5 hours to do something that should take 5 minutes.
 
The bern still smoldering?

Such a weird primary, am I wrong or was it closer in more states between Obama/Clinton. Seems like blowouts on both sides are the norm and a few close states.
 
XBP said:
I mean this is really fucked up

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These people have been in line for over 6 hours now. What the hell is happening there?
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GOP losing their grip and flat out cheating, that's what.

Arizona might even be a swing state this election with a Trump ticket.
 
This is such a farce at this point. Bernie solidified his loss last week when he wasn't able to carry Illinois, Missouri, or Ohio. If he'd have won those 3, maybe things could be different, but at this point the primaries are pointless.

It really must suck living in those states that don't vote toward the end of the primary cycle. I feel like half the time they don't get to matter because by the time it gets to them the nomination is pretty much locked, usually anyway.
 
Amir0x said:
Which is why this race is REALLY over already. Hillary's lead is so insurmountable it would essentially take Jesus parting the heavens and endorsing Bernie Sanders.
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It should be a wake up call that he killed in two states and still came in under what was needed.

But I have a feeling it won't be.
 
ChaosXVI said:
This is such a farce at this point. Bernie solidified his loss last week when he wasn't able to carry Illinois, Missouri, or Ohio. If he'd have won those 3, maybe things could be different, but at this point the primaries are pointless.

It really must suck living in those states that don't vote toward the end of the primary cycle. I feel like half the time they don't get to matter because by the time it gets to them the nomination is pretty much locked, usually anyway.
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It's still fun watching people contort into ever more agonizingly pretzel-like positions to try to dream up scenarios in which Bernie can turn this around. I mean that's sort of like entertainment in of itself. Olympic gymnastics teams are not as flexible.

VRMN said:
That would only work in a GOP primary, let's be fair. :P
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You'd be surprised how many devout Christians there are among Democrats ;)
 
Amir0x said:
Which is why this race is REALLY over already. Hillary's lead is so insurmountable it would essentially take Jesus parting the heavens and endorsing Bernie Sanders.
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TBF she waited until the allocated and pledged delegates got Obama over the 2383 hump.

That should be happening soon here sometime in April or May. In 2008 it went till June.
 
giga said:
No. Until Bernie literally dies. If you're going to support him, go all the way or don't bother. How do you even call yourself a real Bernie fan?
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Oh Heavenly Grandfather, who art in Heaven, grant us the strength to bring America into the future.

*writes Bernie Sanders on 2024 ballot*
 
Las7 said:
If you need to consolidate the party to beat Trump - you might as well forgo the primary process and coronate a nominee a few years ahead of the election.
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Donald Trump is likely going to be the strongest candidate the GOP has ran in the last three cycles, FYI.

McCain was out of touch, seen as a RINO by the far right of the party, an overt warhawk at a time when Americans had massive war fatigue, a weak economic resume walking into a major economic catastrophe, and he picked Sarah Palin as his VP so setting up a RINO/Extremist top and bottom that really just chased people away.

Romney was a template estabilshment GOP candidate on the outside but still a Mormon (not viewed by evangelicals as a real Christian faith), former Governor of a blue state, passed statewide healthcare that was too similar to Obamacare, and again was viewed as a RINO.

Trump has somehow been able to convince the extreme right that he's absolutely one of them. He's running on a hard nationalist platform which will likely have stronger pull than any traditional GOP candidate with unaffiliated infrequent voters, and will appeal to their economic base as a "proven businessman". He's a wildcard with few of the traditional GOP POTUS candidate tripping points. His platform built on fascism and bigotry might be a huge detriment to him that turns this into a landslide election, but that has been the in-country view of every fascist/dictatorial regime that has taken power via democratic process basically ever right up until it's proven false.
 
Maaaaaan Sanders cleaned house in Utah! :D

EDIT: AND Idaho! Shieeeet.

Sorry, I just woke up and didn't watch the later caucuses last night.
 
Really loved the results! :)

I was pretty on-target with my predictions I think! Except Arizona. The difference wasn't VERY small like I thought it would be. Hillary did a good job there.
 
Well I certainly didn't expect Hillary to lose this badly in Utah and Idaho. Doesn't really change anything unless he suddenly manage to get those kind of margins in delegate rich states but it will allow Devine to squeeze more money out of naive donors I guess.
 
egruntz said:
Really loved the results! :)

I was pretty on-target with my predictions I think! Except Arizona. The difference wasn't VERY small like I thought it would be. Hillary did a good job there.
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It was a closed primary. When you restrict voting to registered Dems only she cleans the hell up.

This is Sanders' ultimate problem. Young independents love him (old independents love Trump) but this is still the DNC Primary. They have just enough open states to bring indies into the tent but not enough that indies could ever actually swing the nomination process.

Which makes sense what with it being their party and all. This is also why the Sanders pivot to super delegate discussions is absurd. They're claiming that all of these registered Dems who have likely been involved in party politics for years if not decades are going to back the Independent who only joined their party to run in the primary over a party icon who will end the primary with substantially more votes in total and an even bigger margin when you look at registered Dems only.

There is a rational argument for why Clinton should receive a disproportionately large share of supers at the convention and absolutely none for why Sanders should, yet people are convincing themselves that it's some sort of conspiracy.

Blader said:
Were Bernie's blowouts in Utah and Idaho expected? Those seem like pretty huge margins over Hillary.
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I'm not sure if that was what prior polling had indicated, but they were open caucuses in nearly all white states. You couldn't contrive of a better arrangement for Sanders if you tried.
 
pigeon said:
So I think this is mostly true with regards to presidential elections. The reality is that even without SuperPACs presidential candidates are going to have access to millions of dollars. They already did!

Money probably has diminishing returns with regards to advertising -- if nothing else, there is a physical limit to how much advertising you can actually buy. SuperPACs don't get any special rates like political campaigns do, so their money is even less effective, to say nothing of the large chunks that end up going to consultants, third-party firms, etc. I recall a New York Times article talking about how, although Obama was heavily outspent by SuperPACs in 2012, ultimately he was actually (at the time of the article) getting more ad time due to better buying strategies and special rates.

The biggest issue with Citizens United isn't about presidential candidates. It's really about downticket races. House Representatives don't really have very much money to spend on their campaigns, with the consequence that lots of people don't really know who their representative is and almost certainly don't know who the opposition is. Dropping a million dollars on a random district is going to make a huge splash.

So more widespread public funding of downticket races would be a good start (and a good idea anyway). If we want to worry about limiting superPAC spending I would focus much less on protecting the presidential race and much more on fighting organizations that target downticket races.
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Good points. Im not aware of how much sway SuperPACs have in smaller races which is why I only mentioned this election and the last presidential election haha

I wonder how much impact theyve had on gubernatorial races.
 
my name is ed said:
Good points. Im not aware of how much sway SuperPACs have in smaller races which is why I only mentioned this election and the last presidential election haha

I wonder how much impact theyve had on gubernatorial races.
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You just have to see the type of candidates that are propped up - the type of people who think Government needs to shut down unless it's financing their particular donor base.
 
I hope this nomination drags on and bernie fights till the very last state. It's almost improbable for him to win but giving Hillary these kind of Ls every now and then is hilarious and is giving me a temporary relief before the inevitable im gonna vote for who i think is the less of a turd 2016 presidential elections.
 
Flo_Evans said:
The bern still smoldering?

Such a weird primary, am I wrong or was it closer in more states between Obama/Clinton. Seems like blowouts on both sides are the norm and a few close states.
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I think blowouts are a mischaracterization. There's been a lot of small victories and close states on the Democratic side, but Hillary has some crushing victories in some sizable states.

UnObtainium17 said:
I hope this nomination drags on and bernie fights till the very last state. It's almost improbable for him to win but giving Hillary these kind of Ls every now and then is hilarious and is giving me a temporary relief before the inevitable im gonna vote for who i think is the less of a turd 2016 presidential elections.
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At what point is he actively pissing away other people's money while hurting the odds of accomplishing the things he has spent his life fighting for?
 
StopMakingSense said:
We'll just have to wait till New York for it to finally be put to bed. It's just one month :shrug:
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Yes but the Sanders campaign is so delusional at this point that they'll likely stay in the race past that point anyway. Devine will do whatever he can to take money from Sanders supporters.
 
UnObtainium17 said:
I hope this nomination drags on and bernie fights till the very last state. It's almost improbable for him to win but giving Hillary these kind of Ls every now and then is hilarious and is giving me a temporary relief before the inevitable im gonna vote for who i think is the less of a turd 2016 presidential elections.
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What L's? Losing red states?
 
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