Again what is representing young people?? Tell me what Bernie offers young people other than free this and free that.
Tell me.
Super Tuesday 4. I'm really feeling (The After Bern) March 22, 26 contests
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Again what is representing young people?? Tell me what Bernie offers young people other than free this and free that.
Tell me.
And_Gignac
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And the Hillary base vote won't be with us anymore (she is only winning because of her crushing numbers with 65+, but some people in here conveniently try to to avoid talking about this).
Young voter turnout hasn't been particularly great in the primaries compared to 2008 either afaik.
The DNC has been trying to figure out 'why' for years.
I don't think they're going to just figure it out in 2018.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
While he did win a couple of states yesterday, the fact that Bernie can't win the nomination should lead him to drop out of the race, and focus on helping the Democratic party in races where Red seats could become Blue, or Blue seats are in danger.
But he won't.
Bernie Sanders can kick and scream all he wants about the change he wants made and how the establishment shouldn't be running things, but he often acts like a child who thinks he can do all of this alone. If you look back on his political history (something I fear most of his supporters haven't done) you'll see a trail of selfish, standoffishness that is not indicative of a leader. All these changes he wants to make can't be done by a President alone, he'll need party support and he's done nothing to support the party he's running under. He's a "Democrat" of convenience who complained about the Primary System when he was losing, then tried to flip his policy on SuperDelegates when his camp realized he'll lose without them.
This opportunistic bag of air needs to point his passions in a better direction and stop weakening the party as we gear up for one of the worst political fights in recent memory during the general.
/rant.
But he won't.
Bernie Sanders can kick and scream all he wants about the change he wants made and how the establishment shouldn't be running things, but he often acts like a child who thinks he can do all of this alone. If you look back on his political history (something I fear most of his supporters haven't done) you'll see a trail of selfish, standoffishness that is not indicative of a leader. All these changes he wants to make can't be done by a President alone, he'll need party support and he's done nothing to support the party he's running under. He's a "Democrat" of convenience who complained about the Primary System when he was losing, then tried to flip his policy on SuperDelegates when his camp realized he'll lose without them.
This opportunistic bag of air needs to point his passions in a better direction and stop weakening the party as we gear up for one of the worst political fights in recent memory during the general.
/rant.
John Dunbar
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so how does that make gwb an anchor if he was apparently driving turnout for the other party but not negatively impacting the turnout of his own? also, is obama also an anchor since the republican turnout is much greater than the democrat this year?
TheLostBigBoss
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Don't tell Melkr that older people are living longer.
It's a fad. It's something that people jumped on the bandwagon about and felt passionate about for 10 minutes. It wasn't something that they planned to support for long and try to influence real change over time.
You can use disenfranchisement to try to rationalize why it's a fad. But in the end, still a fad. A temporary cause that could bring out the youth vote. Afterwards they will go back and not give a shit, and certainly not continue the trend through midterms
Tesseract
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The working class isn't
In 8 years this group of voters will be working, paying taxes and trying to repay their own student loans. They'll have different priorities and will be less likely to choose the most liberal of options. They'll probably still choose the liberal option, but they'll be more concerned with paying for the benefits they want to see.
I find myself in this position right now.
Though honestly, conservatives rarely make any sense so I'll be voting Democratic for the foreseeable future.
This is an important point. You care a little less about bernies platform as you get older because you probably have a job that hides the cost of health insurance, and you are already out of college and paying back your loans. Then naturally you also start to feel that if you can do it, they can do it.
In all honesty this is the biggest problem of the scale of change in bernies platform. It appeals to the sector that hasn't yet found a way to manage the way the world is right now. Once you settle in with a job and find ways to pay for everything, it becomes less important and less likely to create turnout
I hope he doesn't. Dropping out now and throwing full support her way would go against everything he stands/fighting for as a politician. She's corporate scum and I'm glad he's fighting until the end.
lastflowers
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love the snark and condescension.
Ziltoidia 9
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From what I understand, they are upset at how they called the state basically on the early voting alone, and because people were still in line to vote. I believe they are saying only 100k of actual voting from yesterday has been counted, and supposedly there are tons of provisional ballots because of issues they had yesterday with people who had changed party/went on the list to vote in Arizona (closed primary). Most of the voting was done during early voting I think, and the people that early vote are probably Hillary supporters by and large.
Hillary's lead is probably going to go down in Arizona over the next few weeks if they count the provisional ballots, but I don't think she will lose her lead in the state. Though he might gain 5 or so delegates through it.
Hillary's lead is probably going to go down in Arizona over the next few weeks if they count the provisional ballots, but I don't think she will lose her lead in the state. Though he might gain 5 or so delegates through it.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Two things here. 1. She's not corporate scum. If she is, please back up your claim with legitimate sources. 2. He doesn't have to support Hillary. There are plenty of Down Democrats who support his cause but have received NO support from him. Perhaps he could throw some of his more... passionate... base their direction.
But he's not wrong?
A fool and their money are easily parted.
You could say the same of some of the best presidents the country has ever seen. Like it or not, it's the system as it exists today. Shit, Lincoln promised cabinet positions to people if they helped him get elected. This isn't new, and it's how things get done.
vainglorious
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The margins are big but Bernie won Idaho with a total of 18,000 votes in a state that won't go blue for the GE. The optics for his campaign are there with a win but... he's not winning any big states.
You're crazy. You can't become president without having to toe the line, it's a necessary evil.
Macho Madness
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Idaho just really doesn't like Hillary I guess. It went major for Obama in 2008 too.
lol keep fighting the good fight
lastflowers
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I mean, a broken clock is right twice a day.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Yes, they are, because they're meaningless. She's gonna win by such a large margin with pledged delegates that even if half of super delegates supported Bernie it still wouldn't be enough.
Just stop with your awful posts dude.
Bernie's got her right where he wants her. It's his election to lose!
NervousXtian
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He is 100% a fad. Most of the Bernie supporters I've met found out about him last year, and they know almost nothing about him out side of "free stuff!".
People always equate quid pro quo with lobbyists, donors, and wall street and our government.. but that's not the only version going. It's happening on every vote, every pet project, every single issue we have in government... from the local level to the top. You want your agenda pushed, then you support others agendas and they'll help you.
The people who get shit done are the ones who get there bills passed, and learn to compromise for the greater good.
Tesseract
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this is an election for the working class. They do not trust Hillary, are fearful of trump. Sanders is the only optimistic path.
If Hillary wins, trump drinks Bernie's milkshake
Can't tell if HillaryGAF or crotchety old conservative.
Free healthcare and free education are inevitable. It's better we start discussing the how's now even if it's not totally feasible in this political environment.
Hillary also proposed free tuition up to an associate's, oh no, FREE STUFF hurrdurr.
Tesseract
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Don't be afraid of guaranteed healthcare and education
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Uh huh. Tell you what, if we're going to make sweeping generalizations then... the working class is throwing in with Drumpf. Hillary supporters are minorities, old people, and middle (upper and standard) class whites.
Bernie just has kids and millennials who take to Reddit to spread their false math and use the phone lines to annoy Super Delegates with their false reality and unwillingness to see what's right in front of them due to foolish "optimism."
I don't follow your point here.
So you agree that he has no chance? If so, why would he still be accepting donations and taking money in what will ultimately be a losing effort?
All great soundbites until we get into the specifics... Do I need to link the thread outlining Sanders' potential tax plan?
Suddenly, there is a lot less enthusiasm for these things when people have to actually start paying for it. Funny how that works.
vainglorious
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I think Sanders will jeopardize his ability to caucus with the Democrats in the future if he doesn't pivot away from Hillary and start focusing on Trump. Further dividing the party and turning Democrats against the nominee will not win him any friends in the Senate.
It's not remotely fesible for either to be truly free, you get this right? I mean where do you think all that money is going to come from?
We were discussing the hows in 2008 with Obama and the public option. The public option needed to be removed in order to get the healthcare law we have today. Bernie Sanders doesn't suddenly get the congressional composition he needs to pass the fairies and unicorns bill of 2018 just because he is talking about it again.
Tesseract
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The working class is throwing in with trump, true
It's a fascinating divide, can't wait for the debates. Bernie is gonna waggle the fuck out of trump
boiled goose
good with gravy
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
From his lay-z-boy in Vermont. There is just no way he wins the nomination. The Democratic party would all have to disappear in a Dr. Manhatten-esque way for Bernie to win the nomination.
Yeah it's not like you have huge debt or anything.
We've already established you're not good with figures
balladofwindfishes
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You're going to be mighty disappointed in a month or two
Ziltoidia 9
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He doesn't care. Hes 74 and was never really registered as a Dem. Hes only running in the Dem side because it was a better chance of him winning, than if he ran independent or GOP (lulz). His home state loves him overwhelmingly, and doesn't need the party to win again if he runs for senate in the future. Hes still going to vote for with the Dems regardless.
Chances are, Hillary wont get enough pledged delegates until supers are finally able to cast their vote at the convention, so it really inst official until the convention. He is staying in it until his speech at the convention, which is going to happen.
Hillary vs Trump in the GE is on her. She is the one that decides if she is going to win with her argument, not Sanders.
You can tell who's new to these threads by seeing if they respond to Tesseract.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Unless I'm mistaken she's favored by a wide enough margin in most of the states that are left to put her well over the top.
I'm not new, I just find his posts (Troll, fake, whatever) annoying.
I think she'll be about 200 short. 1800/2200 to her. Need 2383
Of course she's going to have enough.
She'll probably have this wrapped up in May.
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
That's the worst part about living in SoCal. I have never been able to vote in a Primary.
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