Poodlestrike
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Worth noting that that's not Flash's JL suit.
(Ignore the photoshopped GL suit)
(Ignore the photoshopped GL suit)
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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LSauchelli
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Jack Remington
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Can someone explain the jar of piss that's apparently in the movie? Just spoil me, IDGAF.
Lex apparently pisses in Senator Finch's drink. Or straight up gives her a glass of piss. I'm not clear on that detail.
Yes, stayed away from a party he wasn't invited to...
It's a callback to a conversation they have earlier in the film. She says something like, "you can't piss in a jar and call it Granny's Peach Tea". Then at the senate meeting, she sees a jar with some yellow-ish liquid in it (could be piss, could be actual tea), slowly turns it around to reveal a hand written label (presumably Lex's) that says "Granny's Peach Tea" and starts to get un-nerved.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Senator Finch says a thing about that glass of piss to Lex and eventually it comes to haunt her in a bad way.
Poodlestrike
Banned
And people say this movie isn't funny.
Beaniedude
Member
Just got back from a midnight screening.
It was enjoyable but average. I didn't go out thinking, wow that was amazing, but didn't feel like I wasted my time.
I didn't buy Batman suddenly not wanting to kill Superman anymore but hey, they have to take out Lex somehow.
Also there is this one scene where Batman moes down some people in the Batplane and the next shot is him looking out the Window reminiscent of the early batflicks. I have expected him to give a thumbs up.
It was enjoyable but average. I didn't go out thinking, wow that was amazing, but didn't feel like I wasted my time.
I didn't buy Batman suddenly not wanting to kill Superman anymore but hey, they have to take out Lex somehow.
Also there is this one scene where Batman moes down some people in the Batplane and the next shot is him looking out the Window reminiscent of the early batflicks. I have expected him to give a thumbs up.
ArtHands
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Its a callback to an earlier scene of Lex Luthor and her about pissing in a jar and call it Granny's Sweet Tea.
When she saw it she gets unnerved, and then she sees Lex Luthor's seat being empty right after, the bomb detonated
rockman zx
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Saw the movie a couple of hours ago here in Europe. I liked it, not the best DC movie or the best superhero movie by any means, it has his problems but is enjoyable in my opinion. Batman is the best thing in the movie, so good that I wish they stop the JL movie and go straight to the first Batman solo movie with Affleck, he owns the character. Wonder Woman, cringeworthy, when they play here music theme....so bad, so cheesy. And the same can be said about Luthor.
Better than the last Avengers movie, for me.
Better than the last Avengers movie, for me.
Beaniedude
Member
I have to say though they I absolutely loved the Wonder Woman theme.
The only thing that could have made it better were vocals.
The only thing that could have made it better were vocals.
gioGAF
Member
After having some time to process the movie (saw it on Monday), I think I am more disappointed than I initially thought.
What I enjoyed:
Batman was great. This is the Batman from Miller's DKR. The movie is mostly about Batfleck and how he has been affected by the events in MoS. I feel like he represents humanity and the feeling of impotence now that a virtual god walks among them.
I enjoyed the more violent portrayal of Batman, since I am quite tired of the "no guns, no killing" stupidity (extremely immersion breaking for me and inconsistent, Nolan Batman allows Neeson/Ra's Al Ghul to fall to his death then proceeds to SAVE the f'n Joker from the same fate, he is okay with not killing murderers making him pretty much responsible for the death of each subsequent victim).
Wonder Woman was also fun to see and Gal Gadot did a good job with the character. Her time was brief, but it makes me want to see more of her story so it was successful.
I didn't enjoy:
Superman was terrible in this. He could have been replaced with a generic antagonist for Batman to pummel and the plot would have remained largely unaffected. Superman was also very limited (as always) in skill set. I guess he forgets that he has the ability to use more than one ability at a time (Faora from MoS seemed to have figured it out).
As a Superman fan, I am very disappointed in his portrayal. Miller's take on Superman in DKR was extremely negative and much of that bleeds into this movie. Batman clearly spanks the crap out of Superman. The fanboys have their answer to the age old "Who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman?".
Superman could not be more stupid in this film, as he gets repeatedly peppered with kryptonite gadgets. He stands there like an idiot for much of the fight while Batman repeatedly jizzes in his face. You would think that after the first, second, third time, Superman would move OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY!
Doomsday was terrible. First of all, he should have never been revealed in a trailer. Doomsday was painfully generic and uninspired. As a viewer, I hardly cared about what was going on, zero investment. At least the struggle between the Kryptonians/Zod in MoS was built on something (a villain on Michael Shannon's level is sorely missed).
I also did not care for Lex Luthor. I don't learn enough about him in the film to make me care about him or understand him as a character.
Overall, my initial fears that the movie was going to be a mess since they tried to cram everything in it were true. Not enough time for most things. I would be interested in a Batfleck movie, a Wonder Woman movie.
However, after this entry, I'm not interested in another Zach Snyder Superman movie. Singer's Superman Returns was off the mark, but it was at least clear that Singer was/is a huge Superman fan. MoS had its problems, but it had some redeeming qualities. In BvS, Snyder basically steps on Superman's face. Fuck him and fuck this movie.
What I enjoyed:
Batman was great. This is the Batman from Miller's DKR. The movie is mostly about Batfleck and how he has been affected by the events in MoS. I feel like he represents humanity and the feeling of impotence now that a virtual god walks among them.
I enjoyed the more violent portrayal of Batman, since I am quite tired of the "no guns, no killing" stupidity (extremely immersion breaking for me and inconsistent, Nolan Batman allows Neeson/Ra's Al Ghul to fall to his death then proceeds to SAVE the f'n Joker from the same fate, he is okay with not killing murderers making him pretty much responsible for the death of each subsequent victim).
Wonder Woman was also fun to see and Gal Gadot did a good job with the character. Her time was brief, but it makes me want to see more of her story so it was successful.
I didn't enjoy:
Superman was terrible in this. He could have been replaced with a generic antagonist for Batman to pummel and the plot would have remained largely unaffected. Superman was also very limited (as always) in skill set. I guess he forgets that he has the ability to use more than one ability at a time (Faora from MoS seemed to have figured it out).
As a Superman fan, I am very disappointed in his portrayal. Miller's take on Superman in DKR was extremely negative and much of that bleeds into this movie. Batman clearly spanks the crap out of Superman. The fanboys have their answer to the age old "Who would win in a fight, Batman or Superman?".
Superman could not be more stupid in this film, as he gets repeatedly peppered with kryptonite gadgets. He stands there like an idiot for much of the fight while Batman repeatedly jizzes in his face. You would think that after the first, second, third time, Superman would move OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY!
Doomsday was terrible. First of all, he should have never been revealed in a trailer. Doomsday was painfully generic and uninspired. As a viewer, I hardly cared about what was going on, zero investment. At least the struggle between the Kryptonians/Zod in MoS was built on something (a villain on Michael Shannon's level is sorely missed).
I also did not care for Lex Luthor. I don't learn enough about him in the film to make me care about him or understand him as a character.
Overall, my initial fears that the movie was going to be a mess since they tried to cram everything in it were true. Not enough time for most things. I would be interested in a Batfleck movie, a Wonder Woman movie.
However, after this entry, I'm not interested in another Zach Snyder Superman movie. Singer's Superman Returns was off the mark, but it was at least clear that Singer was/is a huge Superman fan. MoS had its problems, but it had some redeeming qualities. In BvS, Snyder basically steps on Superman's face. Fuck him and fuck this movie.
That's actually not how the conversation went.
"You can piss in a jar and call it granny's peach teach, something something and call it deterrence, etc etc, whatever you're selling,
I'm not buying". She basically told him to fuck off and won't help him with his anti-superman weapon.
Oh yeah, knew it was a bit different. I'm terrible at remembering complete lines of dialog.
The Wise Old Man
Member
Look I've seen enough Snyder movies and seen enough trailers for this movie and read enough spoilers to confirm my suspicions. If I perchance used some excessive hyperbole then so be it. This is a brash, dour, angry movie and it merits a commensurate response.
blummer102
Member
Yo folks, here's a longer, spoiler-filled version of my impressions from the RT thread. I just came back from seeing this and now I understand why the reviews are lower than Man of Steel, which is actually a more coherent movie. That might be hard to believe, but hooooooo boy is this movie a mess! But it's a lovable mess that tries REALLY hard (bless you, Based God Snyder) and personally I think every GAFer should see it, if only 'cause some segments are straight up from the Arkham games. Also, it is going to fuel message board arguments for the next decade, no doubt about it. YOU THINK THOSE MAN OF STEEL THREADS WERE BAD?! YOU KNOW NOTHING!
THE DOPE
- BATFLECK THE GOD. Srs, Batman had to dive bomb into this movie to save the day and Ben put in work on everything from his fighting scenes to his interactions with Jeremy Irons, which are witty as hell. You know how people were saying "That's not Ben Affleck, that's Bruce Wayne" in some of the trailers? Yeah, that's the feeling I had the entire film. Good on ya Benjy, without you this would be unwatchable.
- That one scene in the third trailer where Bats takes out a bunch of goons is even better in the full version because it is 100% an Arkham combat challenge. There is one part where four dudes surround Ben at once and he combos all of them, even pulling off a batarang variation. Then there's a predator wall takedown later and it is glorious. There's also a great Batmobile chase that's basically lifted straight from Arkham Knight - you can tell someone was paying attention to Rocksteady's work as they were fiming this.
- Wonder Woman rocks. She doesn't have many lines, to be sure, but her facial expressions and movements are very Amazon-esque, and her final fight with Doomsday is top tier. She also has two little debuts that are cool - one where Bruce sees an old picture of her from 1918 and realizes she's immortal, and the other where she blocks Doomsday's death rays. Both scenes have her kickass musical theme drop instantly, which is enough to make your nipples hard and is probably what generated all the standing ovations in those early showings.
- Doomsday final boss fight is pretty good tbh. There are a few great shots of each member of the Trinity working together, kinda like those ones of all the Avengers in Age of Ultron but better 'cause of BASED GOD SNYDER's eye for visual flair.
THE NOT AS DOPE
- Bats does a shitload of un-Batman like things, like straight up MURKIN' dudes with GUNS and shit! This is not really that sort of "oh, he just knocked them out" bullshit that the Arkham games does, Batman is KILLING fools - both in the Knightmare sequence where he blasts a machine gun and snaps a dude's neck, and also in the one scene where he saves Martha from a warehouse and shoots a guy's flamethrower, causing the dude to ignite. The whole segment is riffed from that ambiguous page in The Dark Knight Returns where he's facing off against a mutant who's holding a kid hostage and *possibly* shoots the guy, either to kill or wound, saying "I believe you." But yeah, here - he definitely kills the dude. Make no mistake, this is Snyder and Terrio worshipping at the hall of The Dark Knight Returns but not really understanding that the book was a deconstruction of Batman rather than a definitive version. But like I said before...Ben is just so good in the role that I was willing to forgive this. BATFLECK THE GOD, man!
- Superman gets the shaft hard in this movie and Cavill cannot compete against the acting chomps of Batfleck the God. He pretty much spends most of his time standing around looking sad and saving Amy Adams' ass. This movie will not help those "moping, sad Superman" arguments at all. He actually comes off MUCH better in Man of Steel - and oddly more relatable? They went nuts with the "he's a distant GOD" theme in this one, and it ends off painting Supes as a constipated tool. (There is one nifty shot of him floating in space after getting hit by a nuclear bomb tho - that's once again stolen from The Dark Knight Returns)
- The reasoning for Bats to fight Supes is pretty damn weak. Lex basically manipulates them into whomping on each other, but Lex is so lame in this movie that his entire plan just comes across as underdeveloped. We also never get a sense of why he hates Superman so much when this is literally like the easiest thing to establish - just watch the old animated series for Chrissake!
- The Knightmare scene feels like unnecessary fanservice that will mostly confuse casuals. I appreciated it because I'm a DC junkie, but everyone else is going to wonder why the hell Parademons suddenly appeared. Also, Flash makes a hilarious appearance in the Batcave a la Flashpoint, and his costume is ridiculous. He's wearing the traditional Flash suit, it seems, but on top of that he's wearing something that looks like Matt Damon's suit from The Martian. Also, Ezra Miller is sporting a ratty ass beard that does him no favors.
- The cameos of the other future Justice League members are also equally unnecessary. Wonder Woman discovers them by looking through her inbox. It's lame.
- The music is OK but way too overpowering most of the time, to the point of being cheesy. It feels like Junkie XL composed it while overdosing on Red Bull.
- The script. Whoever came up with that pic of Terrio standing with FALSE GOD on his chest is on the nose; because the script, no matter what you heard, AIN'T THAT GOOD. Imagine the overdone lines of The Dark Knight Rises but worse - the screenplay is filled with quasi-intellectual metaphors and mythology illusions, and the characters literally talk about the nature of life like they're in a mid 90's Japanese RPG at times. (GAF might see this as a positive actually; some of the lines are so bad they are funny)
THE WTF
- Really was not feeling Lex Luthor. Soon as he came on screen, I wanted to punch him and that feeling lasted till the end. He's always fidgeting and fussing around the screen, saying stupid, overwrought lines like an annoying hipster barista. This guy better not find his way into any purple and green power armor anytime soon.
- They kill off Tao Okamoto, who has almost no screen time anyway
- The poorly structured nature of the movie's first hour - this is where all those rotten tomatoes are coming from because there are just too many random story moments pieced together incoherently for the film to be considered a "good" one, at least in its beginning half. Those critics sadly are not working under a Marvel conspiracy - they're just calling bullshit when they see it, and this first act got cut to hell and back. The extended Blu-ray might fix things up a bit, but ya, bullshit.
To sum things up, it's kind of a magnificent trainwreck with some epic fanservice moments which make it entertaining and worth watching at least once. It's kinda like the comic book movie version of Advent Children.
THE DOPE
- BATFLECK THE GOD. Srs, Batman had to dive bomb into this movie to save the day and Ben put in work on everything from his fighting scenes to his interactions with Jeremy Irons, which are witty as hell. You know how people were saying "That's not Ben Affleck, that's Bruce Wayne" in some of the trailers? Yeah, that's the feeling I had the entire film. Good on ya Benjy, without you this would be unwatchable.
- That one scene in the third trailer where Bats takes out a bunch of goons is even better in the full version because it is 100% an Arkham combat challenge. There is one part where four dudes surround Ben at once and he combos all of them, even pulling off a batarang variation. Then there's a predator wall takedown later and it is glorious. There's also a great Batmobile chase that's basically lifted straight from Arkham Knight - you can tell someone was paying attention to Rocksteady's work as they were fiming this.
- Wonder Woman rocks. She doesn't have many lines, to be sure, but her facial expressions and movements are very Amazon-esque, and her final fight with Doomsday is top tier. She also has two little debuts that are cool - one where Bruce sees an old picture of her from 1918 and realizes she's immortal, and the other where she blocks Doomsday's death rays. Both scenes have her kickass musical theme drop instantly, which is enough to make your nipples hard and is probably what generated all the standing ovations in those early showings.
- Doomsday final boss fight is pretty good tbh. There are a few great shots of each member of the Trinity working together, kinda like those ones of all the Avengers in Age of Ultron but better 'cause of BASED GOD SNYDER's eye for visual flair.
THE NOT AS DOPE
- Bats does a shitload of un-Batman like things, like straight up MURKIN' dudes with GUNS and shit! This is not really that sort of "oh, he just knocked them out" bullshit that the Arkham games does, Batman is KILLING fools - both in the Knightmare sequence where he blasts a machine gun and snaps a dude's neck, and also in the one scene where he saves Martha from a warehouse and shoots a guy's flamethrower, causing the dude to ignite. The whole segment is riffed from that ambiguous page in The Dark Knight Returns where he's facing off against a mutant who's holding a kid hostage and *possibly* shoots the guy, either to kill or wound, saying "I believe you." But yeah, here - he definitely kills the dude. Make no mistake, this is Snyder and Terrio worshipping at the hall of The Dark Knight Returns but not really understanding that the book was a deconstruction of Batman rather than a definitive version. But like I said before...Ben is just so good in the role that I was willing to forgive this. BATFLECK THE GOD, man!
- Superman gets the shaft hard in this movie and Cavill cannot compete against the acting chomps of Batfleck the God. He pretty much spends most of his time standing around looking sad and saving Amy Adams' ass. This movie will not help those "moping, sad Superman" arguments at all. He actually comes off MUCH better in Man of Steel - and oddly more relatable? They went nuts with the "he's a distant GOD" theme in this one, and it ends off painting Supes as a constipated tool. (There is one nifty shot of him floating in space after getting hit by a nuclear bomb tho - that's once again stolen from The Dark Knight Returns)
- The reasoning for Bats to fight Supes is pretty damn weak. Lex basically manipulates them into whomping on each other, but Lex is so lame in this movie that his entire plan just comes across as underdeveloped. We also never get a sense of why he hates Superman so much when this is literally like the easiest thing to establish - just watch the old animated series for Chrissake!
- The Knightmare scene feels like unnecessary fanservice that will mostly confuse casuals. I appreciated it because I'm a DC junkie, but everyone else is going to wonder why the hell Parademons suddenly appeared. Also, Flash makes a hilarious appearance in the Batcave a la Flashpoint, and his costume is ridiculous. He's wearing the traditional Flash suit, it seems, but on top of that he's wearing something that looks like Matt Damon's suit from The Martian. Also, Ezra Miller is sporting a ratty ass beard that does him no favors.
- The cameos of the other future Justice League members are also equally unnecessary. Wonder Woman discovers them by looking through her inbox. It's lame.
- The music is OK but way too overpowering most of the time, to the point of being cheesy. It feels like Junkie XL composed it while overdosing on Red Bull.
- The script. Whoever came up with that pic of Terrio standing with FALSE GOD on his chest is on the nose; because the script, no matter what you heard, AIN'T THAT GOOD. Imagine the overdone lines of The Dark Knight Rises but worse - the screenplay is filled with quasi-intellectual metaphors and mythology illusions, and the characters literally talk about the nature of life like they're in a mid 90's Japanese RPG at times. (GAF might see this as a positive actually; some of the lines are so bad they are funny)
THE WTF
- Really was not feeling Lex Luthor. Soon as he came on screen, I wanted to punch him and that feeling lasted till the end. He's always fidgeting and fussing around the screen, saying stupid, overwrought lines like an annoying hipster barista. This guy better not find his way into any purple and green power armor anytime soon.
- They kill off Tao Okamoto, who has almost no screen time anyway
- The poorly structured nature of the movie's first hour - this is where all those rotten tomatoes are coming from because there are just too many random story moments pieced together incoherently for the film to be considered a "good" one, at least in its beginning half. Those critics sadly are not working under a Marvel conspiracy - they're just calling bullshit when they see it, and this first act got cut to hell and back. The extended Blu-ray might fix things up a bit, but ya, bullshit.
To sum things up, it's kind of a magnificent trainwreck with some epic fanservice moments which make it entertaining and worth watching at least once. It's kinda like the comic book movie version of Advent Children.
Lex is trying to import kryptonite but the govt has blocked it.
He tries to sell it as a deterrent but she says he's going to use it to assassinate Superman. He's mad, labels her as a sympathizer. She says he can't bs her saying it's a deterrent when it's a tool to kill. She says don't hand her a jar of piss and say it's granny's peach tea. She's not stupid, etc
RagingPhoenix
Neo Member
Wait a minute, that was Flash who appeared out of screen at the end of Knightmare sequence? THAT was Flash?
Well one can maybe ignore the killings in Knightmare sequence as that was a hypothetical/multiverse scenario (right?). But yeah not only he smoked the guy with flamethrower, he straight up murdered the goons outside the warehouse with the machine guns. There was probably one more instance of a kill which I can't remember.
Have to say that I'm no fan of that.
Well one can maybe ignore the killings in Knightmare sequence as that was a hypothetical/multiverse scenario (right?). But yeah not only he smoked the guy with flamethrower, he straight up murdered the goons outside the warehouse with the machine guns. There was probably one more instance of a kill which I can't remember.
Have to say that I'm no fan of that.
Poodlestrike
Banned
This is a movie you haven't seen yet that has you equating people who enjoy it to people who prop up a wannabe fascist white nationalist.
C'mon son.
Future Foundation
Member
His ass didn't have a choice, he was never getting in.
NealMcCauley
Member
Actually that's one of the film's more intelligent moments. The execution is still pretty poor though.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Worth noting that that's not Flash's JL suit.
(Ignore the photoshopped GL suit)
He looks constipated.
The motivation for Batman to side with Superman is weak as shit, and to be fair that Batman vs Superman fight wasn't that great (Batman fighting in the dream sequence was the best action scene in the film).
I really liked Affleck's and Iron's performances as Batman and Alfred respectively, and I thought Eisenberg was really good even though his character was all over the place. But as a whole, the movie was pretty bad. It's like they tried cram three Marvel movies' worth of story and characters into one movie. That bit with the laptop and the "here's some other DC heroes you might like" clips were a terrible distraction, and the inclusion of Wonder Woman didn't really add anything to the film.
Also, although I never got into the comics, Batman's character seemed off with him killing people left and right, which also made Batman's 180 on Superman seem even more dumb.
"He has a mom? I better think about my life choices!"
I really hope Suicide Squad fares better and that the Batman movie is a prequel. If there's one positive to take away from this it's that the Affleck Batman movie probably won't have to address the origin story and the death of Bruce's parents with this movie pretty much having covered it.
I really liked Affleck's and Iron's performances as Batman and Alfred respectively, and I thought Eisenberg was really good even though his character was all over the place. But as a whole, the movie was pretty bad. It's like they tried cram three Marvel movies' worth of story and characters into one movie. That bit with the laptop and the "here's some other DC heroes you might like" clips were a terrible distraction, and the inclusion of Wonder Woman didn't really add anything to the film.
Also, although I never got into the comics, Batman's character seemed off with him killing people left and right, which also made Batman's 180 on Superman seem even more dumb.
"He has a mom? I better think about my life choices!"
I really hope Suicide Squad fares better and that the Batman movie is a prequel. If there's one positive to take away from this it's that the Affleck Batman movie probably won't have to address the origin story and the death of Bruce's parents with this movie pretty much having covered it.
blummer102
Member
Yup, but it's not quite as cringy as it sounds. The film paints Bruce as this crazy, barely stitched together dude and has a scene in the beginning where it shows the death of his parents and his father saying "Martha..." as she falls to the ground. Ben does a good job with the acting when he finds out that Supes also has a momma named Martha, and thanks to him what could be a potentially terrible scene is not nearly as terrible.
But really the whole premise of them fighting is some weaksauce. The Martha thing is the smallest of the movie's problems, lol
More_Badass
Member
The RT being in the range of Sharkando 2/3 is ridiculous. There is no way this is at the same level of an Aslyum Sy/Fy film. Like literally impossible
broncobuster
Banned
That's not it. Batman doesn't consider Superman human. Hearing Superman beg him to save Martha, sort of makes it click that Superman has a family. It gives him empathy toward a being he treated as an alien monster. It's not bonding over their mothers shared name, if that's what you were getting at.
I really liked the film. I don't know what people expected from this movie.
Yes, Batman kills, but he's been more than 20 years fighting against crime, losing friends and good people. I genuinely believed this Batman and his context. I also dig Supes now far more than in MoS. I found Wonder Woman very interesting and those JL teasing moments were awesome.
This is not a 38/100 movie. No way
It's not.
Yes, Batman kills, but he's been more than 20 years fighting against crime, losing friends and good people. I genuinely believed this Batman and his context. I also dig Supes now far more than in MoS. I found Wonder Woman very interesting and those JL teasing moments were awesome.
This is not a 38/100 movie. No way
It's not.
That's precisely what the RT score is not, just only 38% of critics liked it. The average rating on RT is 5.2
blummer102
Member
So there's this weird scene halfway through the film where Supes runs off to the Artic to mope and literally bumps into Papa Kent there, just building stones in the ground and shit. lol Papa Kent imparts some life wisdom on him and disappears - it's meant to be touching and to show you a memory Clark had of his father but it just comes across as a new Papa Kent meme-in-creation, almost as ridiculous as that one of him in the tornado from Man of Steel.
Anyone else who saw the movie see it that way?
Anyone else who saw the movie see it that way?
Freewheelin'
Member
The RT score means 38% of critics would recommend watching Batman and Superman. That doesn't mean its Sharknado levels of bad. Look at the average rating for that.
broncobuster
Banned
It was weird.
If we're talking memes, I'd be lying if I said Supers standing in the burning court room didn't make me think
Its bloated, has strange pacing/editing and Lois Lane could be written out without missing much and same goes for the Daily Planet. Every Superhero casting is great but Eisenberg steals the show, fight scenes are really good and the music would be called iconic if it were in a better movie.
Solid 6 out of 10.
Solid 6 out of 10.
RT isn't a ranking how much people dislike it just if it's positive or negative.
Dash_Riprock
Member
It was weird.
If we're talking memes, I'd be lying if I said Supers standing in the burning court room didn't make me think
Sorry for the rushed, crap quality but:
That's not how RT works. Considering the review average, it's a lot more "ehhh this wasn't very good..." and less outright hate. I mean it's still obviously not getting a good reaction, but there's a difference between that and comparing it to an Asylum movie.
ryutaro's mama
Member
These aren't being weighted the same tho.
It's pass or fail on RT and for a lot of people, there is too much wrong with it to pass it.
Jack Remington
Banned
I fucking hated Age of Ultron, so that won't be a difficult bar to clear for me.
Unfortunately - BvS is also below Sharnado 2 AND Sharknado 3 on Metacritic.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Agreed. I think it hurts, but the JL universe will keep trucking.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Well, that should be a concern. Anything non- Batman/Superman and possibly WW is gonna have an uphill battle if the negative narrative get a foothold on this movie.
Good luck selling a Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, Shazam or GL movie if BvS was the baseline.
I think the core 3 will be fine, no matter the movie they are in.
SS will be a good test as to whether this DCCU has legs or not.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I was gonna say, I think that if SS is better received than BvS it might actually pull their focus away from the big three and towards some of their less well-known properties.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Good point.
It really could have that effect too. You might be on to something there. If SS has Deadpool "against the norm, lesser known property" success, you might see SS 2 fast tracked and a movie like Cyborg quietly "delayed".
Poodlestrike
Banned
If JL 1 and JL 2 are indeed wholly separate movies (rather than part 1 and part 2), I think JL2 is more likely to get delayed in such a scenario. Flash as well. Aquaman I think is safe because of the generally positive reception to Momoa's casting, but who knows.
Cyborg is going to get retooled into a Titans movie, but that was going to happen no matter how BvS got received
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