NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]

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I don't know why y'all think it's fake. We had an Ubisoft employee come in with a smiley face and Andy from Game Informer basically confirm he's heard it didn't have buttons. These things are gonna be in the lap of alot of devs right now if it's going to launch in November.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
So you are saying somebody went to all the trouble of 3D printing this thing, smoothing it out, cutting the glass, fitting it, fitting the sticks, making the "fake" sticker, ect...and failed to buy a $3 can of spraypaint to paint it white to make his "fake" look consistent with the previous one?

Really, the level of reaching here is becoming amazing.
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This thread has 714,000 views.

I'm sure it's plastered over various parts of the internet and other sites as well.
 
I'm torn. Part of me thinks it's weird to have two leaked designs very close to each other, however, each are just ever so slightly different. Them being so fundamentally similar to the patent is weird too.

I dunno. At the same time, it's elaborate.
 
Seriously, how is nobody automatically dismissing it from that 'confidential property" sticker, who does that?
 
Pristine_Condition said:
None of the #teamfake arguments seem to make much sense anymore, IMO.



So you are saying somebody went to all the trouble of 3D printing this thing, smoothing it out, cutting the glass, fitting it, fitting the sticks, making the "fake" sticker, ect...and failed to buy a $3 can of spraypaint to paint it white to make his "fake" look consistent with the previous one?

Really, the level of reaching here is becoming amazing.
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Well sure it sounds silly when you put it all out like that, I'm just stabbing in the dark here I've no fucking idea what's going on.
 
kubricks said:
Did I just see a virtual B button on one of the screen shot....? Oh my...
I have used emulator of some sort on my smart phone for years, and I can never solve the problem of imprecise input because I can never be sure the exact button location without looking. This will be no different.

Please don't do a buttonless gameing console Nintendo, please don't.
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I think people are misunderstanding what Nintendo might be doing here. If they are using Haptic Feedback you will absolutely feel the buttons , but not in the traditional sense. I haven't tried Apple's version of it, so I can't comment on how that feels, but the Steam Controller version of it absolutely feels great.

That controller lacks a traditional d-pad and only 1 analog stick. What it does offer is 2 trackpads. These get confused for something you might find on a laptop. Maybe the surface is similar in that they are both smooth, but what really makes the difference is the haptic feedback in these trackpads. The customizations available to these allows you to make the pads a d-pad, multiple buttons, a trackball, and a whole lot more.

I have used the trackpads as both a d-pad and a trackball and after an initial learning curve I have had no problems using them as those types of inputs. This is only possible, because of the haptic feedback. If the haptic feedback wasn't there I wouldn't be able to use the trackpads at all.

I play a lot of 2D games on Steam and I was skeptical at first, but I can play all those traditional games comfortably, and proficiently without making input mistakes. I play in the dark too and never did I once feel the need to look at the trackpads while controlling my games.

Judging by some of the comments in here Nintendo has an uphill battle in explaining Haptic Feedback to the masses, if indeed that is what they are going for with this controller.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
It's almost as silly as #teamfake saying "oh the screen is too reflective" when we know many screens in consumer electronics are highly reflective. Also, given Nintendo's own admitted-to-in-interviews admiration for Apple products, is it really such as given that Nintendo wouldn't use a reflective screen? Most Apple products over the last few years have a highly reflective screen. Only with the new iPad Pro has Apple gotten into reducing reflections.
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The reflections may or may not mean anything, but I think it was worth scrutinizing, as we had views of the screen at different angles and in different lights, with no real changes in the screen appearance. That's all.
 
BoboBrazil said:
I don't know why y'all think it's fake. We had an Ubisoft employee come in with a smiley face and Andy from Game Informer basically confirm he's heard it didn't have buttons. These things are gonna be in the lap of alot of devs right now if it's going to launch in November.
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Not really calling it fake, but everyone who has "insider" info is saying stuff they've heard. Noone has seen it from the looks of it. The "no face buttons" thing could be true, but the actual design is the one thing no one has actually seen.
 
Clearly you guys werent around in the old days. Such dark days:

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Pristine_Condition said:
None of the #teamfake arguments seem to make much sense anymore, IMO.



So you are saying somebody went to all the trouble of 3D printing this thing, smoothing it out, cutting the glass, fitting it, fitting the sticks, making the "fake" sticker, ect...and failed to buy a $3 can of spraypaint to paint it white to make his "fake" look consistent with the previous one?

Really, the level of reaching here is becoming amazing.
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You saw the lengths the dude who faked Rayman in Smash went to. I'm TeamReal but it's not outside the realm of possibility. For instance, why did 2 seperate people post leaks to the same small subreddit?
 
MilkBeard said:
I'm sure someone out there would spend a couple hundred bucks to play a joke on thousands of people for a few weeks.
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I'm sure printing a case and cutting a shiny plastic bit doesn't cost a couple hundred bucks.

Even if it did, I've seen people waste far more money on LOLs.
 
DNAbro said:
this has been a long ass thread but I'm pretty sure that there was a pic with a Wii U dev kit with something like that on it.
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If you are able to dig this picture up, I will back down with no resistence.
Until then, nah man, just like that redditor said, it would be something like a code number or something
 
foxuzamaki said:
Seriously, how is nobody automatically dismissing it from that 'confidential property" sticker, who does that?
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Because that argument is about as thin as a piece of 3D printed paper?

I mean, there's absolutely no conclusions you can draw from it. It's existence doesn't preclude a possible additional sticker or warning where there's more real estate for it - eg., on the back of the thing

It stinks of a lawyer dictating "Well even though the legal language is on the back i want something they can still see from the front so there's no question what they're using"
 
DNAbro said:
this has been a long ass thread but I'm pretty sure that there was a pic with a Wii U dev kit with something like that on it.
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There is a Wii one at least but it looks helluva lot more official than this. Also, it's on the actual dev kit box, not the remote. If a sticker is gonna be on this controller...it would be on the back imo.
 
foxuzamaki said:
Seriously, how is nobody automatically dismissing it from that 'confidential property" sticker, who does that?
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We argued about that maybe Midway through this thread. I thought it was weird. It isn't labeled Nintendo and it doesn't have any other forms of identification. It just seems so random.

DNAbro said:
this has been a long ass thread but I'm pretty sure that there was a pic with a Wii U dev kit with something like that on it.
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The ones on the U console had more detailed info on the sticker. The gamepad though I don't think anyone had a good picture of to show if it had any tags on it or not.
 
razoftblend said:
Not really calling it fake, but everyone who has "insider" info is saying stuff they've heard. Noone has seen it from the looks of it. The "no face buttons" thing could be true, but the actual design is the one thing no one has actually seen.
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Well prototypes have to be in the hands of developers now and this is way to sophisticated to be a fake, so I'm 99% convinced it's real. It's also totally Nintendo under Iwata.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
It doesn't. But the explanation of why the colors are different is ludicrous when you put it through the filter of common sense. If someone is going to go through all this trouble to make a fake, thinking they would just run with whatever color their 3D printer is spitting out is silly.

It's almost as silly as #teamfake saying "oh the screen is too reflective" when we know many screens in consumer electronics are highly reflective. Also, given Nintendo's own admitted-to-in-interviews admiration for Apple products, is it really such as given that Nintendo wouldn't use a reflective screen? Most Apple products over the last few years have a highly reflective screen. Only with the new iPad Pro has Apple gotten into reducing reflections.
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The colors are different because it's spray paint over primer. Likely two 3D-printed models with different paint jobs, or the same one painted over. The photographer made sure to amp the grainy factor to max even with the supposedly clear pictures; it's difficult to tell any texture of the bezel and casing from them. Chances are, if it were perfectly clear, we'd see some of the grain of the ABS plastic's texture showing through the paint. The screen is either acrylic or a cut sheet of glossy plastic. They've sanded the edges so that it appears to tuck into the gap next to the bezel. Sanding a piece down to round off a hard or rough edge is a basic technique used by anyone in a design field or craft, so not difficult to pull off. With a thin sheet of acrylic or plastic it would take a few swipes of a sanding block.

But even disregarding all the technical details of how it was most likely fabricated, the purposefully grainy pictures, convenient lighting, and the egregiously photoshopped image of the white one, combined with the very obvious successive 'leaks' at different sites within a week's time reeks of an orchestrated ploy to stir up the media pot. Why would someone do this? Because it's fun to watch things unravel. Especially as an active community member.

What I'm saying is, they're among us. #teamconspiracy
 
Protann said:
You saw the lengths the dude who faked Rayman in Smash went to. I'm TeamReal but it's not outside the realm of possibility. For instance, why did 2 seperate people post leaks to the same small subreddit?
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And a NX leak is 100x bigger occasion than Rayman.


So a person faking it isn't out of the question to say the least.
 
SirPenguin said:
Because that argument is about as thin as a piece of 3D printed paper?

I mean, there's absolutely no conclusions you can draw from it. It's existence doesn't preclude a possible additional sticker or warning where there's more real estate for it - eg., on the back of the thing

It stinks of a lawyer dictating "Well even though the legal language is on the back i want something they can still see from the front so there's no question what they're using"
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it would not be done in this fashion for one.

There is more legal things to clarify than that its just confidental on a sticker and nothing else
 
I haven't commented on this yet.

So I think this could be real, and work fine.

RE: point of no buttons: In theory, the pure touchscreen interface could allow for a variety of simulated buttons, and other inputs — levers to toggle, dials to spin, lines to trace, things to pinch and pull, etc. You could also rearrange buttons, resize them, reshape them. Heck, with good haptic feedback they could possibly approximate different "textures" and "dimensionality." It's a flat surface but it feels like physical buttons. Say what you will about their online, etc, but Nintendo is pretty particular about the feel and functionality of their console controllers. I don't think they'd be prototyping this unless they felt the inputs worked.

RE: the scroll wheels: I personally think this bit is brilliant. Aside from the obvious implementation of scrolling through weapon wheels on the fly, it could also be used as another gameplay mechanism, i.e. sliding elements of the environment while controlling a character separately.

RE: ergonomics and functionality: It doesn't look very comfortable to hold, although it's not far removed from a SNES controller in general size and shape. However, this being a dev kit prototype, according to the leaker, it's possible its final form factor may change. It's also possible there may be a traditional shell — with rounded grips and extra triggers/shoulder buttons — and you can dock this controller inside it. It's also possible there will be traditional controller alternative, similar to the WiiU Pro Controller.

RE: space covered by hands: I imagine that space could still be utilized in games where you play with the controller in portrait mode, i.e. flipping the controller on its side and then using the space around the sticks for, say, a circular health bar or stamina bar (think RE4's HUD).

In conclusion: It's too early to draw conclusions. I think there's a good chance this is real, but there may be other factors to consider: Final form factor; the possibility of a controller shell for increased comfort and functionality; the possibility of a Pro-style alternative; the effectiveness of haptic feedback in simulating buttons; the variety of ways a touch interface could be used to provide a near-infinite number of inputs; etc.

I think there's great potential, but it's still too early to say.

Oh, and one final note. With this form factor, perhaps it'd be possible for every Nintendo-made smartphone game to also be playable on this controller. Flipping it on its side creates a form factor similar to a smartphone.
 
MogCakes said:
The colors are different because it's spray paint over primer. Likely two 3D-printed models with different paint jobs, or the same one painted over. The photographer made sure to amp the grainy factor to max even with the supposedly clear pictures; it's difficult to tell any texture of the bezel and casing from them. Chances are, if it were perfectly clear, we'd see some of the grain of the ABS plastic's texture showing through the paint. The screen is either acrylic or a cut sheet of glossy plastic. They've sanded the edges so that it appears to tuck into the gap next to the bezel. Sanding a piece down to round off a hard or rough edge is a basic technique used by anyone in a design field or craft, so not difficult to pull off. With a thin sheet of acrylic or plastic it would take a few swipes of a sanding block.

But even disregarding all the technical details of how it was most likely fabricated, the purposefully grainy pictures, convenient lighting, and the egregiously photoshopped image of the white one, combined with the very obvious successive 'leaks' at different sites within a week's time reeks of an orchestrated ploy to stir up the media pot. Why would someone do this? Because it's fun to watch things unravel. Especially as an active community member.

What I'm saying is, they're among us. #teamconspiracy
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So you're saying it was you!
 
foxuzamaki said:
it would not be done in this fashion for one.

There is more legal things to clarify than that its just confidental on a sticker and nothing else
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I think you may have missed my point because I agree with you. All that legal language would not fit in the 1/4 inch bezel at the bottom, so it's probably on the back of the thing

Like, in my job I work with a lot of legal documents. When there's terms & conditions written on the backside of a document it's common to have a big ugly watermark at the top that says "SUBJECT TO TERMS & CONDITIONS"

I really wouldn't read too much into it
 
foxuzamaki said:
Seriously, how is nobody automatically dismissing it from that 'confidential property" sticker, who does that?
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Yeah, do devs really put that on prototypes?

I've thought more about the no face buttons, and I think it could work, but the oval seems weird, even with grips. Still hoping Pro controller could be packed in.
 
I think I read through 100 pages (ok, skimmed) and this has to be one of the best GAF threads I've ever seen. All the tree puns and photos killed me. The amount of 180ºs this leak has taken is also wonderful.
 
Vibranium said:
Yeah, do devs really put that on prototypes?

I've thought more about the no face buttons, and I think it could work, but the oval seems weird, even with grips. Still hoping Pro controller could be packed in.
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Nintendo does. But it usually includes their logo, the serial number of the devkit and a troubleshoot phone number.
 
Neiteio said:
I haven't commented on this yet.

So I think this could be real, and work fine.

RE: point of no buttons: In theory, the pure touchscreen interface could allow for a variety of simulated buttons, and other inputs — levers to toggle, dials to spin, lines to trace, things to pinch and pull, etc. You could also rearrange buttons, resize them, reshape them. Heck, with good haptic feedback they could possibly approximate different "textures" and "dimensionality." Say what you will about their online, etc, but Nintendo is pretty particular about the feel and functionality of their console controllers. I don't think they'd be prototyping this unless they felt the inputs worked.
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I think it's a real stretch to expect anything like that, considering that kind of technology is barely out of the lab.
 
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