No, I don't think so. Superman appears at the hearing and let his guard down and was distracted by the senator (Holly Hunter), who was acting really weird, because Lex planted a jar of ice tea (or pee, I don't know) on her desk. She sees it and puts the puzzle pieces together that lex was behind it all. She begins stammering to say something and everyone in the room was looking at her and then the bomb goes off.
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No, I don't think so. Superman appears at the hearing and let his guard down and was distracted by the senator (Holly Hunter), who was acting really weird, because Lex planted a jar of ice tea (or pee, I don't know) on her desk. She sees it and puts the puzzle pieces together that lex was behind it all. She begins stammering to say something and everyone in the room was looking at her and then the bomb goes off.
Scrooge McDuck
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Everything realating to Batman v Doomsday was hilarious and people in my theater actually laughed during those segments. I'd take an entire movie about Angry Batman bumbling against cosmic forces way out of his league.
ryutaro's mama
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Ok Bronson, here it is. My review.
I have been pondering this thing since I saw it and the more I think about it, the less I like it. BvS was a really depressing film, in spite of all the hype it had coming into things. BvS really just felt like a combination of multiple scripts, each alone could have been ok but together was just a mess. Let's start at the beginning:
Opening message from Snyder: He looked so disheveled and beaten, he looked like he was like, "Well guys, here it is. Enjoy...I guess." His demeanor was so subdued, it was weird. Like he wasn't overly excited about the movie he turned in...based on that I had a feeling we were in for something.
Movie starts after no trailers (A+ choice!). Intro was standard Batmang origin fare with the Comedian as his father...whatever, cool. The next 15 minutes or so were great. The action of Metropolis being destroyed through Bruce Wayne's eyes. (though I have no idea why Bruce's dude on the leadership team evacuated the building, only to stay up there to die?!?) Wat.
Anyway, that stuff was good, set the table for Batman/Bruce to hate Superman. Perfect. Then the other scene in the opening. The Superman in the desert nonsense. What a confusing scene. Lois is there, i guess to get an interview with a local warlord, but there's some independent contractors there too for a double cross and Superman gets called in as a care package...I still have no fucking idea what the point of that scene was...to frame Superman or whatever...idk, it was dreadful.
Movie moves on and we are introduced to Lex Luthor, who presumably runs a Google like tech company. He is wasting his time scheming and plotting over changing topics throughout the film. I think one of the reviewers said it, he felt like a combination of Joker (from the Batmang script) and Lex from the Man Of Steel 2 script. I liked Lex well enough but his motivations were odd and seemed misplaced a lot of the movie. I was hoping for a Lex that was going to take the loss in Metropolis to openly position himself as the savior that the world should turn to, post Metropolis, .i.e. he helps rebuild, pours a ton of money and "good will" making his case...as I wrote awhile ago in my thoughts for MoS2:
Diana Prince is introduced at a party that Bruce Wayne is going to to try and get information on whatever Lex is up to so he can get the Kryptonite to stop Clark and whatever. What a wasted opportunity this was for Diana to really assert herself more than basically becoming Selina Kyle and one upping Bruce for the McGuffin. I felt that Wonder Woman as a whole was horribly misused in this film. My SO said the same. She hated the way she was protrayed, especially the crotch shot at the end during the fight with...ok, back to what I was saying. She was sorely underused.
Bruce Wayne/Batmang was hit and miss. They tried really hard to make him the brooding Dark Knight we all know and love but in a movie trying to do so much, there simply isn't enough time to get the setup all in without forcing it. They have a scene where he is hunting some goon or whatever with a presumable human trafficking operation. It isn't enough to build him up and the world of the DCCU seems oblivious to his existence, even though Gotham has a fucking Bat signal AND they mention that for 20 years they have been fighting in Gotham. Long enough to lose Robin and become a weathered old man. It's inconsistent and constantly feels off. The action with him was great but his breaking of the "no kill" rule so blatantly was extremely off-putting. Most of that action could have happened without guns on the Batmobile and flatout murders...oh well...Scar as Alfred was great.
Superman...wow...ok. where do I start? He doesn't feel like Superman at all, and certainly not like a Superman in a post Metropolis world. He isn't introspective at all. He cost the world thousands of lives and even if it was collateral damage, he doesn't seem moved by it. The first we see him, he is driving an African warlord through a wall. Where is the reflection? A missed opportunity....what might have been is, having the film open with Superman in the north, in solitude. Maybe this is where you work in the scene with Pa Kent's ghost. Perhaps, the narrative is while he works a day job at the planet trying to move on, he spends his alone time in the fortress broken by the guilt of what he let happen. He still does a save or two, but he is having a hard time coping with the loss he was part of causing...i'll put the fanfic to the side for a bit and come back to it later...Superman feels inconsistent with the world he lives in. He finally comes to Capitol Hill and is once again, powerless to stop the loss of tons of people. The explosion scene was weird and did less to solidify Superman's eventual redemption. The only time it is even brought up, is on Lois' patio and he is sulking, not emotionally broken. As a Christ analog, it was so weird seeing him perform this way. When doing saves in this film, Superman seems so blah about doing any of it. The Dia De Los Muertes scene showed it all. Resigned to a fate of helping people...that isn't the Superman I know or even the one introduced in MoS.
The fight between Batmang and Supermang. It felt sooooo hamfisted and corny. "I have your mother, haha. You will work for me now, hahaha." Ugh. It was Lex's master stroke but it didn't land for me. It could have been a great scene but it all came together so clunky. The movie showed its hand by showing Martha get kidnapped, thereby showing the audience what Supes doesn't know. So the surprise is awful because we know the card that Lex is about to play. Maybe that scene plays stronger if she is taken off screen and we are surprised along with Superman...
The fight is bad and forced since they had to accelerate the hatred between Bats and Supes. The "Lex said I gotta kill ya!" crap made it feel even more unnecessary. It was a bad premise. Batman using Kryptonite vapor instead of the stone was another misstep by this movie. I know they wanted him to appear clever but it was a bit wasted. Also, what I THOUGHT they were doing was, Batman mixed the Krypotonite with Scarecrow's fear toxin. Batmang started monologuing about Fear and shit and I was like, "Oh shit, this is COOL!" Nope. Just words.
BTW, I totes called that gas plot point.
Superman just got owned in that fight and never really had the upper hand and...OH! That reminds me, the armor that Mang wore. I was hoping it was going to be constructed using the Zod armor (to explain it being able to absorb a Supes strike) but nope, it is just powerful because Batmang made it awesome. Missed opportunity once again.
Doomsday was just a 3rd act plot point so I won't address him much. I will address the events around him. Why Batman took off that armor is beyond me. My SO leaned over and asked, "Why isn't he wearing the armor anymore?" I had no answer.
Why did Lois throw the blade in the water? Why didn't Wonder Woman take the challenge to stab Doomsday, seeing as how she is just as strong and not vulnerable to Kryptonite? Superman, decides on a whim, that he needs to self sacrifice, just like Pa Kent, for...uh, reasons. He looking for a redemption that is unearned...which hooks into the fanfic I scribed earlier on. If this movie had established that Clark was in search of redemption throughout the film, and Doomsday posed an immediate threat to thousands of people (like Zod did)...that would have felt earned. That in that moment, he makes the ultimate sacrifice because he doesn't want the loss of millions on his hands as the loss of thousands already are. He could have said as much!
I guess that is my biggest issue with this film. Nothing felt earned. Lex's place in the world. Batman/Superman's fight. Wonder Woman's decision to get off the plane and help. Superman's redemption. Because it felt like they were trying to do so much world building in 2 hours and 40 minutes, nothing was fully baked.
All the minor fuckery like the videos of the other JLers and Batmang's email to Wonder Woman and what not has been covered to death so I won't.
There was some good in it. LOVED the soundtrack (I like the Batman theme a lot) and the action as always with Snyder, was top notch. The Batmobile chase scene and the Martha rescue in particular was excellent.
All in all, I was disappointed more than anything else. Had this movie been Man Of Steel 2 or Batman Reboot, it could have been solid. As mutation of both, it fell flat.
I'd give it a C.
I have been pondering this thing since I saw it and the more I think about it, the less I like it. BvS was a really depressing film, in spite of all the hype it had coming into things. BvS really just felt like a combination of multiple scripts, each alone could have been ok but together was just a mess. Let's start at the beginning:
Opening message from Snyder: He looked so disheveled and beaten, he looked like he was like, "Well guys, here it is. Enjoy...I guess." His demeanor was so subdued, it was weird. Like he wasn't overly excited about the movie he turned in...based on that I had a feeling we were in for something.
Movie starts after no trailers (A+ choice!). Intro was standard Batmang origin fare with the Comedian as his father...whatever, cool. The next 15 minutes or so were great. The action of Metropolis being destroyed through Bruce Wayne's eyes. (though I have no idea why Bruce's dude on the leadership team evacuated the building, only to stay up there to die?!?) Wat.
Anyway, that stuff was good, set the table for Batman/Bruce to hate Superman. Perfect. Then the other scene in the opening. The Superman in the desert nonsense. What a confusing scene. Lois is there, i guess to get an interview with a local warlord, but there's some independent contractors there too for a double cross and Superman gets called in as a care package...I still have no fucking idea what the point of that scene was...to frame Superman or whatever...idk, it was dreadful.
Movie moves on and we are introduced to Lex Luthor, who presumably runs a Google like tech company. He is wasting his time scheming and plotting over changing topics throughout the film. I think one of the reviewers said it, he felt like a combination of Joker (from the Batmang script) and Lex from the Man Of Steel 2 script. I liked Lex well enough but his motivations were odd and seemed misplaced a lot of the movie. I was hoping for a Lex that was going to take the loss in Metropolis to openly position himself as the savior that the world should turn to, post Metropolis, .i.e. he helps rebuild, pours a ton of money and "good will" making his case...as I wrote awhile ago in my thoughts for MoS2:
Diana Prince is introduced at a party that Bruce Wayne is going to to try and get information on whatever Lex is up to so he can get the Kryptonite to stop Clark and whatever. What a wasted opportunity this was for Diana to really assert herself more than basically becoming Selina Kyle and one upping Bruce for the McGuffin. I felt that Wonder Woman as a whole was horribly misused in this film. My SO said the same. She hated the way she was protrayed, especially the crotch shot at the end during the fight with...ok, back to what I was saying. She was sorely underused.
Bruce Wayne/Batmang was hit and miss. They tried really hard to make him the brooding Dark Knight we all know and love but in a movie trying to do so much, there simply isn't enough time to get the setup all in without forcing it. They have a scene where he is hunting some goon or whatever with a presumable human trafficking operation. It isn't enough to build him up and the world of the DCCU seems oblivious to his existence, even though Gotham has a fucking Bat signal AND they mention that for 20 years they have been fighting in Gotham. Long enough to lose Robin and become a weathered old man. It's inconsistent and constantly feels off. The action with him was great but his breaking of the "no kill" rule so blatantly was extremely off-putting. Most of that action could have happened without guns on the Batmobile and flatout murders...oh well...Scar as Alfred was great.
Superman...wow...ok. where do I start? He doesn't feel like Superman at all, and certainly not like a Superman in a post Metropolis world. He isn't introspective at all. He cost the world thousands of lives and even if it was collateral damage, he doesn't seem moved by it. The first we see him, he is driving an African warlord through a wall. Where is the reflection? A missed opportunity....what might have been is, having the film open with Superman in the north, in solitude. Maybe this is where you work in the scene with Pa Kent's ghost. Perhaps, the narrative is while he works a day job at the planet trying to move on, he spends his alone time in the fortress broken by the guilt of what he let happen. He still does a save or two, but he is having a hard time coping with the loss he was part of causing...i'll put the fanfic to the side for a bit and come back to it later...Superman feels inconsistent with the world he lives in. He finally comes to Capitol Hill and is once again, powerless to stop the loss of tons of people. The explosion scene was weird and did less to solidify Superman's eventual redemption. The only time it is even brought up, is on Lois' patio and he is sulking, not emotionally broken. As a Christ analog, it was so weird seeing him perform this way. When doing saves in this film, Superman seems so blah about doing any of it. The Dia De Los Muertes scene showed it all. Resigned to a fate of helping people...that isn't the Superman I know or even the one introduced in MoS.
The fight between Batmang and Supermang. It felt sooooo hamfisted and corny. "I have your mother, haha. You will work for me now, hahaha." Ugh. It was Lex's master stroke but it didn't land for me. It could have been a great scene but it all came together so clunky. The movie showed its hand by showing Martha get kidnapped, thereby showing the audience what Supes doesn't know. So the surprise is awful because we know the card that Lex is about to play. Maybe that scene plays stronger if she is taken off screen and we are surprised along with Superman...
The fight is bad and forced since they had to accelerate the hatred between Bats and Supes. The "Lex said I gotta kill ya!" crap made it feel even more unnecessary. It was a bad premise. Batman using Kryptonite vapor instead of the stone was another misstep by this movie. I know they wanted him to appear clever but it was a bit wasted. Also, what I THOUGHT they were doing was, Batman mixed the Krypotonite with Scarecrow's fear toxin. Batmang started monologuing about Fear and shit and I was like, "Oh shit, this is COOL!" Nope. Just words.
BTW, I totes called that gas plot point.
Superman just got owned in that fight and never really had the upper hand and...OH! That reminds me, the armor that Mang wore. I was hoping it was going to be constructed using the Zod armor (to explain it being able to absorb a Supes strike) but nope, it is just powerful because Batmang made it awesome. Missed opportunity once again.
Doomsday was just a 3rd act plot point so I won't address him much. I will address the events around him. Why Batman took off that armor is beyond me. My SO leaned over and asked, "Why isn't he wearing the armor anymore?" I had no answer.
Why did Lois throw the blade in the water? Why didn't Wonder Woman take the challenge to stab Doomsday, seeing as how she is just as strong and not vulnerable to Kryptonite? Superman, decides on a whim, that he needs to self sacrifice, just like Pa Kent, for...uh, reasons. He looking for a redemption that is unearned...which hooks into the fanfic I scribed earlier on. If this movie had established that Clark was in search of redemption throughout the film, and Doomsday posed an immediate threat to thousands of people (like Zod did)...that would have felt earned. That in that moment, he makes the ultimate sacrifice because he doesn't want the loss of millions on his hands as the loss of thousands already are. He could have said as much!
I guess that is my biggest issue with this film. Nothing felt earned. Lex's place in the world. Batman/Superman's fight. Wonder Woman's decision to get off the plane and help. Superman's redemption. Because it felt like they were trying to do so much world building in 2 hours and 40 minutes, nothing was fully baked.
All the minor fuckery like the videos of the other JLers and Batmang's email to Wonder Woman and what not has been covered to death so I won't.
There was some good in it. LOVED the soundtrack (I like the Batman theme a lot) and the action as always with Snyder, was top notch. The Batmobile chase scene and the Martha rescue in particular was excellent.
All in all, I was disappointed more than anything else. Had this movie been Man Of Steel 2 or Batman Reboot, it could have been solid. As mutation of both, it fell flat.
I'd give it a C.
TropicalFish
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WONDER WOMAN FUCKING SLAYED MY LIFE.
I was waiting for Mercy to do something badass but nope she just died in the explosion lmao.
I was waiting for Mercy to do something badass but nope she just died in the explosion lmao.
Probably would not have fitted sitting in the cockpit of the Batwing? The armor was very bulky and it was damaged and did not allow Batman to move so freely I guess.
I thought she was trying to hide the spear from perhaps Lex. And for safekeeping in case it was needed later. At least, that's how I read the scene.
She was holding him in place with her lasso. And the spear was pretty far from the actual fighting scene I believe. Grabbing it would endanger Lois as well.
aussiedude08
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ok it was no where near as bad as the reviews are making it out as. Its much better then MoS but has some issues big and small
my review
The opening with Bruce and his parents that definitely set up the tone of the movie, like wow shooting Martha Wayne in the face and then a close up on her eye as she passed away with Thomas reaching out for her. But the dream about his parents funeral was good other then the tornado of bats flying him up to the surface. You could feel and understand the hate Bruce had in the opening that was set where MoS had its final fight.
The next opening in Africa with Lois seemed pointless and then had Superman fly the leader through like 10 walls, how is the dude not dead? and then setting up the whole pointless story about the bullet made by LexCorp just to keep Lois relevant was shit, yet again they have mis-used Lois and are killing her character by making her dumb and chase worse stories. I understand what they were trying to do with Lois this time but it didnt work and was just a waste of time.
Jesse Eisenberg as Lex i didnt hate it but wasnt standout, Early in the film he seemed like he just had daddy issues, and then you found out more. They spent too much time having him talk about Lex Sr with nothing on how he died. and never explored how smart Lex is just had him doing things like a autopsy on Zod and showed the research he had on the other Meta-humans, I liked him as Lex but it needed better writing he seemed to mumble and go off track too much like they were making him one of an autistic genius. I dont get why they had Lex know Bruce is Batman or that Clark is Superman it felt needless and pointless for the story when it could of been the same but kidnap Lois rather then Martha. It just felt like it was far too early for Lex to know that. and never went into how he knew.
On the other Meta humans. Flash not as worried about the casting now but as worried about how they will use him. In Bruce's dream he was wearing a space suit over his flash suit? and the convenience store robbery just made him look dumb and raw by not even trying to cover his identity. Cyborg is mended with a Mother box that has been on earth for 30 years, not sold on that idea. and the Aquaman scene was a letdown since it was only like 30 seconds but not disappointing by the character.
Wonder Woman was great but her theme is shit with the electric guitar but the drums part is great. She should of been used more, and im hyped for her solo movie next year. Only thing i dont like is having it set in WWI and that means there will be no Steve Trevor in the current day settings unless they have his great grandson and can re use the actor. because i think it would be great to have Trevor in current day and Pine looks great as the character. She stole the scene in the final fight with Doomsday, and Clark's Funeral with Bruce talking about the other Meta's.
Wonder Woman and Bruce Wayne look great side by side, and Superman is a step down on them i hope they can fix that.
Bruce Wayne and Batman made the movie Ben Affleck is a great Bruce Wayne and Batman. And holly shit this is the best live action Batman ever. For the first time ever he moves like Batman, its fast and brutal with using his gadgets at the right time. the first Batman scene with the child smuggler and the cops was insane with how fast he moved, glad we finally have a batman that moves and fights like Batman should. but he is a little too careless by letting enemies blow them selves up with grenades. The Knightmare batman was even worse by having him seriously kill men, the chase of the LexCorp truck with the Kryptonite he could of easily killed some people but im hoping they explain it as being crippled in the car wrecks. otherwise its just too far for the character. It is hard to not see some of the guys getting killed when the cars blew up after shooting them in the Batwing. I think they will turn the Russian guy who had the Flamethrower into someone like Firefly and that he barely survived. the Letter about letting Family die coming from Wallace was a surprise.
Loved the Batcave and all the tech, along with Batmobile and batwing.
Jeremy Irons was great as Alfred only issue i had was calling Bruce, Master Wayne rather then Master Bruce.
Scoot McNarry was ok glad he wasnt anyone special. and it never said why he would want to blow everyone up.
Mercy Graves was great im pissed they killed her off without even using her character for more then a few scenes and nothing when it couldnt of just been a nameless assistant, and kept Mercy for other films and have her run LexCorp while Lex is in Jail.
Blowing up Strikers Island was pointless and dumb, why not have it as the prison like the comics?
The Pa Kent scene was nice, but didnt seem to set superman back on track like it was supposed to.
The pacing was a bit all over the place, especially when the fights stop because Superman said Martha or when Lois needed to be saved and then had a little i love you chat mid doomsday fight. Zack Snyder did better then i expected him to for most of the film other then the Doomsday fight.
The entire Doomsday thing was not as bad as i expected, It moved like Doomsday and other then the head started to look like Doomsday as the fight went on and grew the bone spurs. But i still feel like it was wasted and should of been done the same way but not make it doomsday just make it a random creature that Lex created by gene splicing or whatever they could think of.
A lot taken from The Dark Knight Returns like the Nuke hitting Superman, and the fight with Batman. I didnt expect them to Kill Superman but im ok with it, but not ok with Killing Clark Kent. it should of been Missing and had him missing presumed dead. because its just going to be hard to bring him back and not have it full of holes whenever they do it in Justice League. I didnt mind Clark Kent this time it actually felt like Clark Kent. and that Superman had a human alias. unlike in MoS.
I didnt think they forced it too hard on the Justice League or hints at future films. so glad they didnt need to hold our hands through that. They had to fit alot in and have dont a good job of setting up the universe but barely scratched the surface.
The Script had holes but i didnt think it was too bad. It did need extra polish in some areas, and some areas felt like they didnt even try and fix in re-writes . It was the least that Snyder could of Fucked up, he is going to get hate but i didnt think it was Sucker Punch or MoS bad. but if Justice League is not another improvement then he needs to step away from Directing the DC movies.
In the session i saw it there were a few mothers with kids who were like 6-7 and one that looked even younger. No Teens but some under 12 years old also. I wouldnt take kids under 15 to see it.
I enjoyed the film, not as much as i had hoped to 3 years ago when it was announced but not like the reviews are making it out. The trailers might of given away too much but if you thought they were good you should enjoy the movie. But could of easily been about 15-20mins shorter.
I would give it a 7-8/10.
I think they will be fine if they can fix the issues and nothing major. other then some of the issues they have created with some characters.
Im looking forward to Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.
They need to fast track a Batman solo film
my review
The opening with Bruce and his parents that definitely set up the tone of the movie, like wow shooting Martha Wayne in the face and then a close up on her eye as she passed away with Thomas reaching out for her. But the dream about his parents funeral was good other then the tornado of bats flying him up to the surface. You could feel and understand the hate Bruce had in the opening that was set where MoS had its final fight.
The next opening in Africa with Lois seemed pointless and then had Superman fly the leader through like 10 walls, how is the dude not dead? and then setting up the whole pointless story about the bullet made by LexCorp just to keep Lois relevant was shit, yet again they have mis-used Lois and are killing her character by making her dumb and chase worse stories. I understand what they were trying to do with Lois this time but it didnt work and was just a waste of time.
Jesse Eisenberg as Lex i didnt hate it but wasnt standout, Early in the film he seemed like he just had daddy issues, and then you found out more. They spent too much time having him talk about Lex Sr with nothing on how he died. and never explored how smart Lex is just had him doing things like a autopsy on Zod and showed the research he had on the other Meta-humans, I liked him as Lex but it needed better writing he seemed to mumble and go off track too much like they were making him one of an autistic genius. I dont get why they had Lex know Bruce is Batman or that Clark is Superman it felt needless and pointless for the story when it could of been the same but kidnap Lois rather then Martha. It just felt like it was far too early for Lex to know that. and never went into how he knew.
On the other Meta humans. Flash not as worried about the casting now but as worried about how they will use him. In Bruce's dream he was wearing a space suit over his flash suit? and the convenience store robbery just made him look dumb and raw by not even trying to cover his identity. Cyborg is mended with a Mother box that has been on earth for 30 years, not sold on that idea. and the Aquaman scene was a letdown since it was only like 30 seconds but not disappointing by the character.
Wonder Woman was great but her theme is shit with the electric guitar but the drums part is great. She should of been used more, and im hyped for her solo movie next year. Only thing i dont like is having it set in WWI and that means there will be no Steve Trevor in the current day settings unless they have his great grandson and can re use the actor. because i think it would be great to have Trevor in current day and Pine looks great as the character. She stole the scene in the final fight with Doomsday, and Clark's Funeral with Bruce talking about the other Meta's.
Wonder Woman and Bruce Wayne look great side by side, and Superman is a step down on them i hope they can fix that.
Bruce Wayne and Batman made the movie Ben Affleck is a great Bruce Wayne and Batman. And holly shit this is the best live action Batman ever. For the first time ever he moves like Batman, its fast and brutal with using his gadgets at the right time. the first Batman scene with the child smuggler and the cops was insane with how fast he moved, glad we finally have a batman that moves and fights like Batman should. but he is a little too careless by letting enemies blow them selves up with grenades. The Knightmare batman was even worse by having him seriously kill men, the chase of the LexCorp truck with the Kryptonite he could of easily killed some people but im hoping they explain it as being crippled in the car wrecks. otherwise its just too far for the character. It is hard to not see some of the guys getting killed when the cars blew up after shooting them in the Batwing. I think they will turn the Russian guy who had the Flamethrower into someone like Firefly and that he barely survived. the Letter about letting Family die coming from Wallace was a surprise.
Loved the Batcave and all the tech, along with Batmobile and batwing.
Jeremy Irons was great as Alfred only issue i had was calling Bruce, Master Wayne rather then Master Bruce.
Scoot McNarry was ok glad he wasnt anyone special. and it never said why he would want to blow everyone up.
Mercy Graves was great im pissed they killed her off without even using her character for more then a few scenes and nothing when it couldnt of just been a nameless assistant, and kept Mercy for other films and have her run LexCorp while Lex is in Jail.
Blowing up Strikers Island was pointless and dumb, why not have it as the prison like the comics?
The Pa Kent scene was nice, but didnt seem to set superman back on track like it was supposed to.
The pacing was a bit all over the place, especially when the fights stop because Superman said Martha or when Lois needed to be saved and then had a little i love you chat mid doomsday fight. Zack Snyder did better then i expected him to for most of the film other then the Doomsday fight.
The entire Doomsday thing was not as bad as i expected, It moved like Doomsday and other then the head started to look like Doomsday as the fight went on and grew the bone spurs. But i still feel like it was wasted and should of been done the same way but not make it doomsday just make it a random creature that Lex created by gene splicing or whatever they could think of.
A lot taken from The Dark Knight Returns like the Nuke hitting Superman, and the fight with Batman. I didnt expect them to Kill Superman but im ok with it, but not ok with Killing Clark Kent. it should of been Missing and had him missing presumed dead. because its just going to be hard to bring him back and not have it full of holes whenever they do it in Justice League. I didnt mind Clark Kent this time it actually felt like Clark Kent. and that Superman had a human alias. unlike in MoS.
I didnt think they forced it too hard on the Justice League or hints at future films. so glad they didnt need to hold our hands through that. They had to fit alot in and have dont a good job of setting up the universe but barely scratched the surface.
The Script had holes but i didnt think it was too bad. It did need extra polish in some areas, and some areas felt like they didnt even try and fix in re-writes . It was the least that Snyder could of Fucked up, he is going to get hate but i didnt think it was Sucker Punch or MoS bad. but if Justice League is not another improvement then he needs to step away from Directing the DC movies.
In the session i saw it there were a few mothers with kids who were like 6-7 and one that looked even younger. No Teens but some under 12 years old also. I wouldnt take kids under 15 to see it.
I enjoyed the film, not as much as i had hoped to 3 years ago when it was announced but not like the reviews are making it out. The trailers might of given away too much but if you thought they were good you should enjoy the movie. But could of easily been about 15-20mins shorter.
I would give it a 7-8/10.
I think they will be fine if they can fix the issues and nothing major. other then some of the issues they have created with some characters.
Im looking forward to Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.
They need to fast track a Batman solo film
PhantomZone
Member
For all of the negativity surrounding the film on the internet thanks to the dodgy trailers and with the RT score and my own skepticism thanks to how crap I found Man of Steel to be (and I'm a die hard Superman fan). I thought Batman v Superman was alright, not the best super hero movie.... but not the worst.
It has a few pacing and editing issues, but I enjoyed what I watched. That said the real test will be how I feel after a second viewing. If I still feel the same way then awesome, if I find more plot holes and things that irritate me (thus far the main gripes are the editing, pacing and some of the corny lines - like the Lois Lane penis/dick reference from Man of Steel has a sequel in this movie in the form of a testicle/balls joke/reference :-/).
Don't have a problem with Batman killing people, not as fussed about that as other comic purists (although I do find it funny how people crow on about how this Batman is the closest comic book Batman we'll ever get.... aside from him killing 903284093 people). Affleck was great as Batman, but I still found him irritating as Bruce Wayne.
The Wonder Woman entrance had me going AWESOME, guitar riff is weird but AWESOME moment lol.
Lex Luthor was great, the right mix of annoying campaigner, to devious cunning bastard, to bat s t crazy mofo. One gripe is they seem to have turned him into The Joker without really needing to.
I do think Snyder needs to go and let someone else take control. But it's not a 33% colossal failure RT makes it out to be.
It has a few pacing and editing issues, but I enjoyed what I watched. That said the real test will be how I feel after a second viewing. If I still feel the same way then awesome, if I find more plot holes and things that irritate me (thus far the main gripes are the editing, pacing and some of the corny lines - like the Lois Lane penis/dick reference from Man of Steel has a sequel in this movie in the form of a testicle/balls joke/reference :-/).
Don't have a problem with Batman killing people, not as fussed about that as other comic purists (although I do find it funny how people crow on about how this Batman is the closest comic book Batman we'll ever get.... aside from him killing 903284093 people). Affleck was great as Batman, but I still found him irritating as Bruce Wayne.
The Wonder Woman entrance had me going AWESOME, guitar riff is weird but AWESOME moment lol.
Lex Luthor was great, the right mix of annoying campaigner, to devious cunning bastard, to bat s t crazy mofo. One gripe is they seem to have turned him into The Joker without really needing to.
I do think Snyder needs to go and let someone else take control. But it's not a 33% colossal failure RT makes it out to be.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I can't wait for the r-rated cut. I hope it has way better editing and maybe some blood?
No blood at all was really distracting to me, what are the chances of added blood in the r-rated cut?
Also, I would't recommend this for kids under 12.
She's a smart person, that's why.
No blood at all was really distracting to me, what are the chances of added blood in the r-rated cut?
Also, I would't recommend this for kids under 12.
She's a smart person, that's why.
NumberThree
Member
I'm not well-versed in DC stuff, what was the vision Batman had where someone said that they came too soon or something like that? Is there some weird time travel stuff involved in Justice League stories?
I believe that before the fight, Superman mentioned something about how kryptonite weakens kryptonians? Might be wrong about that, I forgot.
That was The Flash from the future or an alternate universe and I think what he basically said was if Lois dies, the earth is fucked as Superman will go berserk and that Batman was right. I think he mentioned something about finding the other heroes too?
It was Flash sending a message from the future
Probably it's something that they will show in the Justice League movie (if they don't change all the scripts)
NumberThree
Member
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I still can't wrap up the stupidity that is Louis dropping that spear in the water all-dramatic-like before trying to get it back 10 minutes later, lol.
broncobuster
Banned
A friend asked me a question and I can't remember it in the film either. Did Affleck ever deliver his "I'm Batman" line?
Lol >_<
Scrooge McDuck
Member
And as such, she nullified the only usefulness Batman has in the fight against Doomsday. The choices the script took regarding the whole "retrieving the spear" side-plot left me baffled.
thecouncil
Banned
It's not as bad as its being made to seem but, you gotta admit, it's not really a movie that the majority of reviewers could say is "good". RT scores are positive / negative and this movie is a mess. I agree with a lot of what you said though. It was probably better than MoS.
Freewheelin'
Member
Regardless, the RT score is not saying "this film is 33/100". It's saying "33 out of 100 critics liked this film". There's a difference.
RagingPhoenix
Neo Member
I'm a bit iffy with Diana's arc though. She was trying to get info about the desert incident and was after Lex's goons and then she just hopped on a plane going somewhere? Didn't make much sense
A lot of silly things like this and that I've posted actually ruined the movie for me.
TropicalFish
Member
Definitely agree with this part.
Just saw it here in Australia opening day, and Wonder Woman was my fave. So psyched for her movie now. Though I thought we would see more from Aqua man considering they made merchandise of him already.
I don't really get the ending. I'm not fully knowledgeable about Superman but I figured the sun can pretty much make him better, and we saw that in the movie while he was floating in space pretty much rotting away.
Yet they thought he was dead at the end? Can't they just put him in the sun? Yet, something did seem to be stirring at the very end scene as you saw the dirt rising. Was someone above choosing to suck up superman and his coffin or was the dirt rising due to superman just recovering on his own in the coffin somehow?
Oh and were any of the leaks put on the internet before this films release correct? I never looked at any of them as didn't want to be possibly spoiled.
I don't really get the ending. I'm not fully knowledgeable about Superman but I figured the sun can pretty much make him better, and we saw that in the movie while he was floating in space pretty much rotting away.
Yet they thought he was dead at the end? Can't they just put him in the sun? Yet, something did seem to be stirring at the very end scene as you saw the dirt rising. Was someone above choosing to suck up superman and his coffin or was the dirt rising due to superman just recovering on his own in the coffin somehow?
Oh and were any of the leaks put on the internet before this films release correct? I never looked at any of them as didn't want to be possibly spoiled.
I thought she was just there to retrieve or remove the photo Lex had of her from WWI? After she got that done she was planning on leaving until she saw the doomsday fight on tv and help out.
SporeCrawler
Member
The reaction was plausible but it was simply too quick and the reaction too extreme (from "ill kill you" to "i am your best pal". Would have made more sense if batman would have just walked away and superman would have saved his mom by info given to him by batman. Batman then would face lex luthor and get beaten the shit out of by doomsdAy and then superman rolls in for phase 2 of the fight.. Something like that would have been less cringe worthy imo
LiquidSolid
Member
He didn't throw the grenade, he threw something at the guy holding the grenade and that guy dropped it.
I just got back from watching it a couple hours ago. It still hasn't sunk in yet but some thoughts:
+ Wonder Woman. A great way to introduce her. Came off like a complete badass.
+ 95% of Batman. I thought Affleck did a great job as both Bruce and Batman. Easily the best Batman fight scenes in a movie so far as well.
+ Lex Luthor. Too much of him in the movie for my liking but Eisenberg was great, especially in...
+ The Lex and Supes tower scene. Lex was just fucking ruthless and Eisenberg pulled it off so well. Cavill was great too, probably the best Superman scene in the film.
- 5% of Batman. I'm open to different interpretations of characters but I never liked it when he killed villains. Why? Because if Batman's willing to murder a car filled with criminals, why the fuck is Joker still alive? Frank Miller can fuck off.
- Superman. As I said above, I'm open to different interpretations of characters and was fine with him in Man of Steel because it's an origin story but god, BvS's Superman is so god damn stiff for almost the entire movie. It's like Snyder told him to always act like he's posing for a photoshoot or something. No wonder so many people don't like him in the movie, dude never smiles and always comes across stand-offish. And the worst part is, I'm sure Cavill could play a great Superman too, if they'd let him.
- Editing. They spent way too long trying to establish every characters motivations in the first half of the movie and it dragged. Felt like a lot of it could've been cut and the movie would've been better for it.
- The teases. Why were they all shown right in the middle of the movie? They felt like they were pointless, slowed the movie down and probably confused casual viewers who aren't familiar with the comics or even the DCAU. Put them at the end of the movie (before, mid or post credits, it doesn't matter) and they would've been fine IMO.
So yeah, I liked it, despite the number of complaints I had, and I think it's more interesting than most of the bland formulaic crap Marvel churns out, I just think it could've been so much better. Better editing alone would've improved it quite a bit. I was never a fan of Snyder in the first place but I was willing to give him a chance but at this point, I'm really hoping they get rid of him. Dude is not the guy you want at the head of the DCCU.
On the bright side, I'm really looking forward to Wonder Woman and the Affleck directed Batman.
RagingPhoenix
Neo Member
But she didn't saw what was in those files until Bruce sends the decrypted data to her. She wore a look of surprise after seeing her image, or I think she was. Also the line about "I'm looking for the guys you are after" or something along those lines..
Anyway her entrance during the doomsday fight was pulled off really well. And the way she grinned enjoying the battle at hand was a nice moment. Gal was pretty good in the role.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
What she said was "we're looking after the same guy," referring to Luthor. After that she explicitly explained to Bruce she wanted to retrieve one particular photograph that belonged to her.
Callibretto
Member
This movie felt so weird to me. Like I think there's a lot of cool individual scenes in it like baatman vs superman, the fight itself looks cool. But the story or reason behind the fight is hard to believe. The whole fight can be bypassed just by Superman explaining everything from the start. Its not like Lex is watching the fight so he can kill Martha if Superman didnt seriously fight.
Also, I find it hard to believe Batman will just throw the kryptonite spear and left it there after the fight. That stuff is dangerous, at least bring it to your batwing.
Or why Superman had to be the one using the spear to kill doomsday, should just let Wonder Woman used it.
When I first leave the theatres, I was kinda okay with it, think the bad review is overblown, but The more I think about the movie, I like it less and less and start to think the review is justified. Even some of the glowing review I read mention all the little flaws but they just think the positives like the great action or some character moment is more than makes up for it.
Also, I find it hard to believe Batman will just throw the kryptonite spear and left it there after the fight. That stuff is dangerous, at least bring it to your batwing.
Or why Superman had to be the one using the spear to kill doomsday, should just let Wonder Woman used it.
When I first leave the theatres, I was kinda okay with it, think the bad review is overblown, but The more I think about the movie, I like it less and less and start to think the review is justified. Even some of the glowing review I read mention all the little flaws but they just think the positives like the great action or some character moment is more than makes up for it.
Banderdash
Member
I saw it this afternoon...
I think they could have cut the whole doomsday fight.
Lex has Martha Kent, sends Supes to fight Batman, everything stays the same until Batman goes to stab him. Lois explains Martha is Clark's mum, they take five minutes for Batman to ask how he can have a mother on Earth if he's an alien... which then gives Bruce a few moments to offer to save his mother.
Supes recovers and snatches Lex off the roof, before he goes to jail.
Movie ends with Lex in prison telling his assistant to begin the Doomsday protocol, or something. Cut to Bruce in the cave reviewing Lex's files and seeing the MetaHuman files.
Post credits have Bruce telling Diana about what he found, and how many others like her there are... and maybe trying to find them.
On to the positives, I really liked the Batman fight... the one where he went after Supes mum, though at the first sign of trouble that guy should have lit her up
Batmobile was pretty damn good, though I don't see how he was actually fitting in it. When he's driving he's sitting so low, and yet when the doors come off he's so high in the car.
Gadot was excellent, though the skirt was a bit short.
I really like Fishburn as Perry White.
I liked the way they tied the Metropolis and Bruce Wayne introduction.
I really liked the way they managed to get the broken strand of pearls into the film.
I liked the bit about being a friend of her son.
They need to decide what Supermans limits of violence are.
If he kills people OK, but he was putting people through walls... solid walls.
I think they could have cut the whole doomsday fight.
Lex has Martha Kent, sends Supes to fight Batman, everything stays the same until Batman goes to stab him. Lois explains Martha is Clark's mum, they take five minutes for Batman to ask how he can have a mother on Earth if he's an alien... which then gives Bruce a few moments to offer to save his mother.
Supes recovers and snatches Lex off the roof, before he goes to jail.
Movie ends with Lex in prison telling his assistant to begin the Doomsday protocol, or something. Cut to Bruce in the cave reviewing Lex's files and seeing the MetaHuman files.
Post credits have Bruce telling Diana about what he found, and how many others like her there are... and maybe trying to find them.
On to the positives, I really liked the Batman fight... the one where he went after Supes mum, though at the first sign of trouble that guy should have lit her up
(why are henchmen so useless?)
Gadot was excellent, though the skirt was a bit short.
I really like Fishburn as Perry White.
I liked the way they tied the Metropolis and Bruce Wayne introduction.
I really liked the way they managed to get the broken strand of pearls into the film.
I liked the bit about being a friend of her son.
They need to decide what Supermans limits of violence are.
If he kills people OK, but he was putting people through walls... solid walls.
RagingPhoenix
Neo Member
Ah yes, now I remember.
Well she was holding doomsday steady with her lasso, but one could argue that after the Kryptonite gas was sprayed then maybe.
Yeah opposite end of a bay now.
For anyone curious about Ezra Miller -- who appeared briefly in two scenes as The Flash, should check out the film We Need to Talk About Kevin, he's fantastic in it, terrifying really. Great actor.
Nope.
One other thing, the way they fucked up Batman's helmet in the actual fight annoyed me in it's convenience, it's like the Spider-Man problem, they're afraid not to show their actors face.
^ An example if I didn't convey this well.
Nope.
One other thing, the way they fucked up Batman's helmet in the actual fight annoyed me in it's convenience, it's like the Spider-Man problem, they're afraid not to show their actors face.
^ An example if I didn't convey this well.
I loved this movie so much. It's ballsy, dark, they really took some risks.
Though the cameos could have been better, the vision from Flash was just perfect, other ones could have been done in the same way.
Can't wait to see Cyborg in Justice League. I loved Doomsday, thought it could have taken a bit longer to be defeated and grow more spikes, but absolutely loved the death of Supes, he's going to be back stronger than ever.
I understand the critics though, it's not perfect, but they gambled on a lot of things, they set up lots of plotlines for future films (WW, Flash, JL).
Though the cameos could have been better, the vision from Flash was just perfect, other ones could have been done in the same way.
Can't wait to see Cyborg in Justice League. I loved Doomsday, thought it could have taken a bit longer to be defeated and grow more spikes, but absolutely loved the death of Supes, he's going to be back stronger than ever.
I understand the critics though, it's not perfect, but they gambled on a lot of things, they set up lots of plotlines for future films (WW, Flash, JL).
Might be a consequence of the change in the timeline "Is it too soon ?!", then he reverted what he did, but it stayed in the subconscious of Bruce.
For anyone curious about Ezra Miller -- who appeared briefly in two scenes as The Flash, should check out the film We Need to Talk About Kevin, he's fantastic in it, terrifying really. Great actor.
Nope.
One other thing, the way they fucked up Batman's helmet in the actual fight annoyed me in it's convenience, it's like the Spider-Man problem, they're afraid not to show their actors face.
^ An example if I didn't convey this well.
what annoyed me even more was the fact that we were shown that he wasn't wearing his original mask / batsuit underneath the armored suit.
So right after being shown that Martha only has 10 more minutes, we're going from Batman wearing his damaged Armored batsuit, to him being in the cockpit of his conveniently parked batwing, wearing his regular batsuit, equipped with all his bat-gear, already headed towards Martha.
Changing of suits should take him multiple minutes already.
bad editing
aye - what looked like a dream might be some weird "happened, but then unhappened again" time-travel thing.
I expect it'll be some fuckery like that. Time amnesia!
RagingPhoenix
Neo Member
IIRC only his face was visible right? He could still have the suit on
100% disagree with you on the electric guitar. If this was a better movie her theme would become iconic and associated with Wonder Woman forever.
sure, i can suspend my disbelief. It was just jarring. Both, in the way it was set up, as well as the way it was edited.
Even if there's an 'explanation' of the suit change, it's just really badly set up.
Don't give me such a tight count down and create the tension of Batman being in a hurry and then include some implicit change of suits and gear.
I was expecting mediocre. But this film was terrible.
I preferred Man of Steel which at the time I thought was average. This was many times confusing, poorly edited, and filled with odd/dumb things such as
- Young Bruce is being vacuumed up by swarming bats, oh no wait it was a dream
- Batman paints Superman as the bad guy but is just as reckless and actually more bloodthirsty and sadistic
- Senator just comes out of nowhere with blocking the kryptonite import license just because
- Flash warning from future has no explanation or setup
- Illegally imported kryptonite crate has handy Lexcorp label in case the authorities stumble on it or the mercenaries forget who it belongs to
- Advanced alien spaceship hijacked because it had the security equivalent of an iPhone Touch ID sensor
- All covert tracking devices have big red flashing lights and make beeping sounds
- Gotham and Metropolis are right next to each other?
- Oh Clark is dreaming, no wait he was hallucinating?
- Lois hadn't heard "Martha" from what I could tell but still said "That's his mother"?
- Clark Kent is "missing" but dozens of people are at his funeral?
On the plus side I liked
- Bruce racing around Metropolis
- Bruce training montage
- Affleck's take on Bruce in general
- Batman rescue of Martha Kent
- erm...
Should have gone to Kung Fu Panda 3.
I preferred Man of Steel which at the time I thought was average. This was many times confusing, poorly edited, and filled with odd/dumb things such as
- Young Bruce is being vacuumed up by swarming bats, oh no wait it was a dream
- Batman paints Superman as the bad guy but is just as reckless and actually more bloodthirsty and sadistic
- Senator just comes out of nowhere with blocking the kryptonite import license just because
- Flash warning from future has no explanation or setup
- Illegally imported kryptonite crate has handy Lexcorp label in case the authorities stumble on it or the mercenaries forget who it belongs to
- Advanced alien spaceship hijacked because it had the security equivalent of an iPhone Touch ID sensor
- All covert tracking devices have big red flashing lights and make beeping sounds
- Gotham and Metropolis are right next to each other?
- Oh Clark is dreaming, no wait he was hallucinating?
- Lois hadn't heard "Martha" from what I could tell but still said "That's his mother"?
- Clark Kent is "missing" but dozens of people are at his funeral?
On the plus side I liked
- Bruce racing around Metropolis
- Bruce training montage
- Affleck's take on Bruce in general
- Batman rescue of Martha Kent
- erm...
Should have gone to Kung Fu Panda 3.
Batman is ruthless with regards to the Bad Guys,
Superman is careless with regards to innocents.
It's Batman who's the one to lure the Kryptonian cave troll to the docks, where they could "safely" fight.
i think Lois heard Batman saying "WHY DID HE SAY MARTHA?!"
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