NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]

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The poster who said putting traditional controls on the back of a controller is something nobody really thought of! D-pad + A,B,X,Y with scroll shoulder buttons on top that work no matter which way you flip the controller

I wished we could make a list of all the possible options we've came up with. Lots of good stuff has been said in this thread.
 
Yup. I'm almost sure it is real, unfortunately. Maybe not final but real. :/

So PS4k and NX Controller are basically confirmed at this point.
 
Dark Cloud said:
The poster who said putting traditional controls on the back of a controller is something nobody really thought of! D-pad + A,B,X,Y with scroll shoulder buttons on top that work no matter which way you flip the controller
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Apart from my previous argument, if this were the case why would the leaker intentionally hide this in the photos?
 
Dark Cloud said:
The poster who said putting traditional controls on the back of a controller is something nobody really thought of! D-pad + A,B,X,Y with scroll shoulder buttons on top that work no matter which way you flip the controller

I wished we could make a list of all the possible options we've came up with. Lots of good stuff has been said in this thread.
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I thought of that a ways back.

I asked what the drawbacks would be but no one answered.
 
Finale Fireworker said:
There is a dominant school of thought that is not willing to sacrifice any image information. You will not counteract this point of view. There is virtually no argument you can make in the defense of obscuring information on screen. Saying the information is not crucial is pretty much saying it's pointless, and now you're arguing that it's good or reasonable to have pointless information on screen.

If the information isn't valuable, it should not be on screen at all.

If it the information on screen isn't valuable, then it shouldn't be there to begin with.

This is true in every visual medium and is a basic building block of visual design. Photography, cinematography, and gaming.

What developer would think "hmmm... what information should we put on the edges of the screen that literally doesn't matter at all?" How could they even do that? It would have to be a static frame - some kind of blinder on the left and right.

You don't add things that don't matter. Design that encourages doing this is just not good design. It's at odds with the entire visual philosophy.

Nintendo has a lot to prove with this design.
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Mobile gaming is a big thing these days, and by design it requires that some parts of the display are obscured for the sake of controlling the game in a way or the other. But according to this "school of thought" it shouldn't exist at all 🤔
 
8-Bit Sunset said:
Yeah I can now see where you (and others) are coming from!
I'm actually getting pretty excited to see how this pans out!
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I mean it's just a guess, but seems to be the logical way to utilize the extra space imo and requires minimal effort design-wise

I too will be waiting to see it in action - but I am looking forward to is :)
 
butman said:
This. I posted a pic days ago how it would be used in a actual NX game and possible VC:

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Nice. :)

But whatever the NX will turn out to be, I'd be extremely surprised if games with the visual complexity of Witcher 3 were to run on it. ;)
 
Starchasing said:
Well then the home console would be severely underpowered to make it very cheap. Its not the first time they have released a very underpowered console.

Since there was another leak that the home console would include at least a mobile unit, here is what i think it will look like:

1) The home console is severely underpowered, matching the handheld capabilities. It comes with a handheld. It can be used as a controller or a handheld. The focus of the home console is social play. Your friends can bring their handhelds to play along, and maybe their phones too.

2) The handheld is just a handheld. You can bring it to your friends house and play games on the TV.

3) They do not want ps4/xbox multiplatform games. They want IOS and android multiplatfrom games, hence no buttons.

4) Its a superior IOS experience since it has 2 analogue sticks.
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This is essentially a hybrid console though. I'm not saying it's impossible, or that it wouldn't be cool, but Nintendo has previously debunked making a hybrid so I think it's less likely.
 
Dark Cloud said:
The poster who said putting traditional controls on the back of a controller is something nobody really thought of! D-pad + A,B,X,Y with scroll shoulder buttons on top that work no matter which way you flip the controller

I wished we could make a list of all the possible options we've came up with. Lots of good stuff has been said in this thread.
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This would be very cool. Didn't some developers not even know the 3DS would have 3D capabilities during early development until Nintendo revealed it at a conference? Maybe there's other stuff to the controller that just wasn't a part of the initial devkits because Nintendo wants to reveal it themselves?
 
Bots are better than you said:
It is? Because you don't like what you see in pictures, still not confirmed as either real or fake, showing nothing but the front of a device with a black screen?

That's like ... the mother of all jumping to conclusions.

There's no picture of the back, where buttons or additional input options might be.
There's no picture of the device running anything. (The white one was deemed more fake than real due to the weird on-screen stuff)

There's basically nothing, but 3 pictures and 152 pages of speculation, "confirming", "denying", jumping to conclusions, overreactions ... and a massive amount of trees and Ninjas.
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Well I'm obviously assuming it's real, and if it is I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions at all with the direction Nintendo is going in.
 
Maiar_m said:
Apparently not, because the WiiU hate and people's prejudice with the gamepad are going strong here. Sure, you don't have to like the gamepad handling, that's fine, just like you don't have to like the Wii Remote or the Xbox controller. It's still a new way to implement fresh ideas into gaming and I (like many others) have enjoyed the WiiU because of the gamepad (or despite).

We don't know how different this is, and even if it's not revolutionary different, iteration is the key to success. If (perceived) failure of an original concept had to mean the end of said concept for all time, we'd live in a very boring world (with far fewer planes because I don't think flying humans originally went very well, as a concept).
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I never hated the concept of WiiU tablet

The execution, the way they focused and distributed resources, the cost...

Its not that iteration and new ideas are a bad thing. Its just the compromises that come with it have continually proven frustrating.

At least while Sony/MS are pursuing new ground with VR they still have a base traditional console to stand on the back of.

I realize they are basically redoing everything with NX but they need a damn foundation thats easy to buy into. They keep going scorched earth with each new idea
 
Finale Fireworker said:
There is a dominant school of thought that is not willing to sacrifice any image information. You will not counteract this point of view. There is virtually no argument you can make in the defense of obscuring information on screen. Saying the information is not crucial is pretty much saying it's pointless, and now you're arguing that it's good or reasonable to have pointless information on screen.
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When operating it two handed, I don't think there's much of an argument that the diagonal section below your thumbs won't be a waste of di splay space, but cutting a section out along that path would just look plain ugly, and diminish potential uses of it being held in portrait mode where your thumb could cover a totally different section.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I thought of that a ways back.

I asked what the drawbacks would be but no one answered.
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There are a lot of internals that need to be included to effectively function as two different controllers, meaning the hardware would have to be kind of big.

Battery life would take a huge hit.

Ergonomics would be a mess.

They could do buttons on the back, but I can;t imagine it will be just a traditional controller layout.
 
Fawk Nin said:
There are a lot of internals that need to be included to effectively function as two different controllers, meaning the hardware would have to be kind of big.

Battery life would take a huge hit.

Ergonomics would be a mess.

They could do buttons on the back, but I can;t imagine it will be just a traditional controller layout.
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Yup

Buttons on the back (outside of triggers) is dumb

If they do go with this concept I expect them to double down on it and offer alternatives for physical controls (pro controllers support) as they have done before
 
DrROBschiz said:
Yup

Buttons on the back (outside of triggers) is dumb

If they do go with this concept I expect them to double down on it and offer alternatives for physical controls (pro controllers support) as they have done before
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This thing could theoretically snap into a carrier similar to the Circle pad pro, but that adds a Dpad and buttons beneath the analog sticks on both sides... You could then buy the button layout you prefer(Gamecube).
 
wild wild rice said:
Are the measurements in this pic legit? I would be pretty damn happy if this thing is basically a little wider than the U Pro controller and they add handles.

I have a Vita, haven't turned it on in a year or so, but I remember it being pretty comfortable. Way more comfortable than the 3DS. If it had handles it would have been even better. #TeamHandlesPlease

Edit: But! I suppose a reason to not have handles is so it can function as a WiiMote as well, which would be cool. So #TeamOptionalHandlesAttachement please. As if I needed anymore Nintendo plastic lying around...
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http://amzn.com/B0072A4JVW

Used this grip on my Vita. Makes it so much more comfortable.
 
DrROBschiz said:
Yup

Buttons on the back (outside of triggers) is dumb

If they do go with this concept I expect them to double down on it and offer alternatives for physical controls (pro controllers support) as they have done before
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Have you used a Steam Controller / Xbox Elite? Grip buttons are really natural.
 
Finale Fireworker said:
There is a dominant school of thought that is not willing to sacrifice any image information. You will not counteract this point of view. There is virtually no argument you can make in the defense of obscuring information on screen. Saying the information is not crucial is pretty much saying it's pointless, and now you're arguing that it's good or reasonable to have pointless information on screen.

If the information isn't valuable, it should not be on screen at all.
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I don't know what field of design you are citing these principles from - I would guess web design - but console development (or general content development for the television medium) necessarily has to render useless information to fill a TV screen completely but ensure that overscan does not negatively affect the finished product.

Here's a video for a tool to help developers with this
 
ZombAid82 said:
Sorry, but this doesn't work, because, every car is the same genre, but a motorcycle is driven completely different, as well as a bike.
And there you have your customized input, always the one, which is the most practical in that style of transportation.
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No, each vehicle is a platform, not a genre, in my example.
 
Shoryucas said:
Have you used a Steam Controller / Xbox Elite? Grip buttons are really natural.
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To be fair, I haven't so I can't comment on this.

But myself and DrROBschiz are arguing for alternate style buttons, not against.

Just relaised DrROBschiz was saying triggers only, but I'm with the idea of grip buttons.
 
I dread the day I open this thread and this gets confirmed to be real. When the pictures were first leaked, I was so damn certain that this was all a big joke. I mean just look at that thing!

Now, I'm just really, really hoping that it's a fake. I really hate the design: the strange shape, the lack of face buttons, the screen that swallows up the whole controller. It looks so unwieldy.

And is this controller supposed to be their new handheld as well? Please noo, Nintendo.
 
Nostremitus said:
This thing could theoretically snap into a carrier similar to the Circle pad pro, but that adds a Dpad and buttons beneath the analog sticks on both sides... You could then buy the button layout you prefer(Gamecube).
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I keep forgetting about the snap in carriers thing

I wonder what carriers would ship with NX

Im starting to see this as Team Real

I hope the portable has full controls like the Vita thoguh
 
Starchasing said:
Software buttons don't make sense if you want play pc/ps4/xbox games.

But what if Nintendo Nintendo wants to offer IOS game experiences? After all they are a mainstream / kid company after all.
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Then they are well and truly lost to the abyss. From whence they will not return.
 
maxcriden said:
This is essentially a hybrid console though. I'm not saying it's impossible, or that it wouldn't be cool, but Nintendo has previously debunked making a hybrid so I think it's less likely.
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There was a rumor saying that it had at least a mobile unit and Nintendo have officially debunked lots of things that ended being true.
 
Honestly

These leaks are likely to Nintendos benefit if they are real

Assuming they offer plenty of ways to play I dont mind using this with a carrier or having support for older controllers

That said... I still worry about the relative power and cost this will incur.
 
In the first leak with the screen on there are on screen buttons around the right stick. I think they're going for some unconventional button layout with two buttons to the lower left of the right stick and two upper right. Will be annoying in games that don't use a right stick but it works I suppose.

Not sure how I feel about on screen buttons but then again I'm typing this out on an onscreen keyboard so....yeah! It's not like we won't already be looking at the screen.
 
KevinG said:
Okay. Just woke up, what'd I miss?

Who wants to fill me in quickly before I leave for work?
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Not much:

Game Informer eic stated "rumors are no face buttons"
Treehouse employee retweeted thread, then quickly deleted the tweet
John Harker wrote 'I can confirm I cannot confirm or deny anything out of respect.

And 20 000 attempts at meme creation.
 
QaaQer said:
Not much:

Game Informer eic stated "rumors are no face buttons"
Treehouse employee retweeted thread, then quickly deleted the tweet
John Harker wrote 'I can confirm I cannot confirm or deny anything out of respect.

And 20 000 attempts at meme creation.
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I think someone else chimed in that it was fake

but I dunno

There are clear inconsistencies between these pictures and the previous ones.
 
Rozart said:
I dread the day I open this thread and this gets confirmed to be real. When the pictures were first leaked, I was so damn certain that this was all a big joke. I mean just look at that thing!

Now, I'm just really, really hoping that it's a fake. I really hate the design: the strange shape, the lack of face buttons, the screen that swallows up the whole controller. It looks so unwieldy.

And is this controller supposed to be the new handheld as well? Please noo, Nintendo.
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The crazy thing to me is that some people in here are actually defending it. If they defend this I'm convinced they'll defend anything.

Nintendo could mold a controller out of bear poop and Nintendo fans would still say it's a great idea.
 
Tricky I Shadow said:
Well I'm obviously assuming it's real, and if it is I don't think I'm jumping to conclusions at all with the direction Nintendo is going in.
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Could you describe this direction? Because i see the following things as the current directions (note the plural):

Expand IP licensing (see, "Nintendoland")
Adding another stream of income from games (yes mobile, but that's nothing that Sony, MS or the 3rds aren't already doing right now)
And finally, about to release a new dedicated gaming system, that maybe consists of two devices

Nothing in this list makes me think of going mobile only, and nothing from this leak, real or not, makes me think of goinf mobile only. We know of NX just because of them wanting to make a clear statement of not going mobile only.

I'm sorry, but for me, that's a pretty good example of jumping to conclusions.

If the leaker has the chance and time to take 3 pictures from the thing, why not from different angles and from the backside? Or if such pictures exist, why not leaking them instead of the same thing 3 times?

Tricky I Shadow said:
The crazy thing to me is that some people in here are actually defending it. If they defend this I'm convinced they'll defend anything.

Nintendo could mold a controller out of bear poop and Nintendo fans would still say it's a great idea.
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Well, same way for the other side, some random redditor could claim to be a dev and saying NX is about the level of an iPhone calculator, there would be people in here that actually take this as a given fact. Hyperbole goes both ways.
 
Boogdud said:
No, each vehicle is a platform, not a genre, in my example.
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Then your platform has only one game genre, which is pretty sad, If you ask me...
You always have the same streets, and the same configuration on said streets (corner's, traffic light's and so on....)
 
Tricky I Shadow said:
The crazy thing to me is that some people in here are actually defending it. If they defend this I'm convinced they'll defend anything.

Nintendo could mold a controller out of bear poop and Nintendo fans would still say it's a great idea.
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Hey now! Have you ever held bear poop? It's warm and soft, super comfortable, and you can place the buttons wherever you'd like on it. It even keeps wild animals away, so it's safe as well.
 
TLZ said:
Meh. The sticks in the middle of the screen like that don't make any sense. They give us extra screen only to be covered by our thumbs? Nintendo don't do silly stuff like that. Also if the sticks are where they are, isn't it better to just have those tiny ones the N3DS got?

This is just ergonomically wrong. A prototype, maybe. A dev kit, possible. But a finished product this is not.
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You're going to be eating crow. Bank on it.

This prototype looks infinitely more polished than the last one. It's obviously a closer to release version. I would not expect major changes.

That's assuming this leak is real, which it looks like it is.
 
from 150+ pages this was already discussed , but if not

Anyone already mention the possibility that the buttons were located to the back of the controller?
 
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