he was asking for you to prove your claim that outside of Japan people don't play games on mobile devices in their home
you should be able to do that right now, not in 3 years. you know, seeing as how you're the one who made the claim.
NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]
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he was asking for you to prove your claim that outside of Japan people don't play games on mobile devices in their home
you should be able to do that right now, not in 3 years. you know, seeing as how you're the one who made the claim.
AtomicShroom
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The buttons are virtual buttons on the screen. You press the screen, not the stick.
Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
- Contextual actions/buttons
- Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
Fantastic work, but it's sad that someone had to make a video to this detail in order for so many others to grasp the concept...
Iris tracking built into the controller.
Surely your thumbs/thumbsticks obscure parts of the game?
Platforms, traps, items, enemies... it would be a huge design oversight. I just don't think this is the final design.
This reminds me of those tv ads that show how it is pretty much impossible to flip a pancake using certain method in opposition to the product advertised...
It is true that in a device like that your thumbs would block part of the screen, but not that much. And don't forget there is also sound, and the fact that you can move around. Also, as it has been pointed, the scale of the hands and displayed game are way too big.
In any case, I think that if any company were to use a design like this one, they would go for a diifferent aspect ratio, like a pseudo 21:9. In that case the parts that would be blocked with your thumbs would be just part of the added space in comparison to a 16:9 aspect ratio. I just put together a quick image as a representation for the concept. (please note the scale is wrong in this one too not to mention the terrible quick dirty job)
In my example the darker area represents a 16:9 ratio and the whole scren is a pseudo 21:9. I think we are doing wrong in to thinking that games will be displayed as 16:9 images scaled to fit the screen and then even cut its corners. IMO the games as it would appear on xbox one, ps4,and wii u will show in the darker area I represented. The extra space in the screen will be kind of an exclusive of the system and used to accomodate hud and buttons, wich ironically would give you a more clear view of the game without huds and what not blocking the view in that 16:9 space. I hope I managed to explain my idea.
OH, my bad. For some reason I was under the impression the sticks were clickable. I can see it now
wut? have you ever played a game in the recent years? When you move the camera, you can't press any face button because your thumb is already on the stick.
edit: ah sorry. I guess I misunderstood you. (the sticks there are supposed to be clickable btw)
MatrixMan.EXE
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I grasp the concept and I still don't want it.
Goldenmoney
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Anger is next then lol. Can't wait for bargaining.
Ok, but how will you move Link?
with song
You did explain that very well.
Dark Cloud
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I wonder if the NX console will be PS4 specs or slightly below to keep the price down?
There's also the Supplemental Computing Device. Not sure how it works exactly, but it connects to the NX to give it more power?
There's also the Supplemental Computing Device. Not sure how it works exactly, but it connects to the NX to give it more power?
Surely your thumbs/thumbsticks obscure parts of the game?
Platforms, traps, items, enemies... it would be a huge design oversight. I just don't think this is the final design.
If the screen was square enemies, items would be obscure too.
Green Mamba
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Can you imagine it? A Mario Maker 2 that forces you to use a horrid touchscreen D-Pad? A new Metroid Prime from Retro ruined by poorly implemented touch buttons? Oh boy!
Doc Holliday
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They would bring what Nintendo always had that the others didn't, Nintendo games and IPs! Nintendo has less faith in their franchises than their fans it seems. They are always saying it's about the games yet they are so afraid to make them without relying on gimmicks.
Aside from wiisports all the best Wii games would have been fine on a regular console. Same with the Wii U.
Hmmm... I didn't even consider that option... the console doing the heavy lifting and simply needing to be near the controller... in a backpack or purse even...
Basically, Nintendo could simply be trying to create the evolution of this:
Give the console a good battery, a nice carrying case with ventilation, an HDMI port, etc... and this could be the ultimate console designed for me.
Leatherface
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I think there are still many answers yet to be given that can change some of the negative perceptions surrounding this device. We are spinning our wheels at all the possibilities and yes this is Nintendo so you never know, but also,YOU NEVER KNOW. So easy we forget how many amazing innovations Nintendo nailed over the years. This is why these threads bring out so much excitement. People can hate on Nintendo all they want, but in the back of our minds we all want this to be AWESOME. I have hope. I think it will be something special.
BRocknRolla
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Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
- Contextual actions/buttons
- Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
That's a hell of a mock-up. This is why I'm keeping an open mind about the design decisions being made here. (If they are in fact even real.) Until we see this thing in action, there's no way we can be making blanket judgment calls about the efficacy of this as a controller.
Do you have a build of these games already?
Because it sounds like you're saying "touch = bad", which I don't know how you can possibly judge without actually trying something like this out.
Maybe they create a Super Mario 3D World Maker game. No need for a D-pad then.
8 Play Smash Bros on that screen. Brain meltdown instantly.
wild wild rice
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I love the pancake infomercial analogy!
It's sad that people bash what they don't understand without trying to imagine a potential use for the thing.
Thank you. And sorry for all the typos. I had to wrote that post in a rush.
Nope, the tablet can dig into your palms if you're holding it from the bottom, but not from the top if you have your index fingers wrapped around it like there are triggers/shoulder buttons since the bottom corners are well below your hands. And with the phone the bottom corners don't extend down fare enough to dig in.
Even if that was a serious problem a much less extreme oval shape or rounded rectangular shape would achieve the same desired effect of reducing that. The current design of this leaked controller seems like the opposite. Wrapping your hands around this controller in order to place your thumbs on the sticks and your index fingers on the shoulder buttons looks like the corners will be focused in your palm at worst, and at the very least on the balls of your hand which is better, but since it tapers so much all the pressure will be on that point which is not comfortable at all. You won't be able to shift the pressure around like you can on a wider, squarer surface.
Edit: Also my hands are of completely average size.
why would two different sourced "fakes" have the exact same dimensions
doubt they're sharing CAD files in some attempt to gain notoriety or attention
i'm leaning on #teamreal
Unless I've seriously screwed up somehow I tried to recreate this based on the given dimensions in a 3d modeling program aaand.
EDIT: NVM yup i screwed up lol
Fess
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On a normal handheld you would only see a rectangular screen in the middle, between the sticks, so you wouldn't see anything at the sides, but I'm sure the devs could make the screen black at the sides as an option for purists. Anything is possible, it's just a screen.
Green Mamba
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The ultimate admittance of failure on Nintendo's part--"We don't know how 2D Mario works on this thing."
Disaster Nebraska
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That's not true at all. Other than the "cleaner" interface (which is an advantage by itself), it gives developers complete freedom over how menus and buttons appear in their game. There may be some standardization at first, but consider this:
- the position of buttons can change, depending on the game. Position could even change within the game itself depending on the menu you're in.
- the size, color, and shape of the buttons can change.
- the "graphics" of a button can change. If this mockup is close to the truth, you may not even have an 'A' or 'B' button displayed on the screen. You'd just have something labelled "Attack" or maybe a little picture with a sword.
- the number of buttons can change. Devs with simpler interfaces can omit buttons to save space, while more complicated games can add in more buttons.
- devs can use many different kinds of buttons. You lack imagination if you think digital A and B buttons is all this could do. Imagine slider bars, touch-and-flick buttons, rotating wheels, etc.
There's also the possibility that the system will allow users to adjust how buttons are displayed, giving freedom similar to what Steam controller does. Don't like the default buttons for Zelda? Enlarge them. Shrink them down. "Unlock" them and slide them to a different part of the screen. Hide them in a sub-menu.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Nintendo just needs to make a simple console that's cheap yet powerful with regular controllers. Basically a more family friendly ps4. Pump out great games and get some real marketing muscle next time.
Nebraska, that would just complicate things further. You would have relevant button layouts for new games which would be even harder without tactile feedback.
The negatives far outweigh the positives. More expensive, no buttons, and too different from already established norms so 3rd parties will stay away.
The money spent on the controllers could be spent on the actual console hardware.
Nebraska, that would just complicate things further. You would have relevant button layouts for new games which would be even harder without tactile feedback.
The negatives far outweigh the positives. More expensive, no buttons, and too different from already established norms so 3rd parties will stay away.
The money spent on the controllers could be spent on the actual console hardware.
LordRaptor
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Sure, curves are nicer to hold than corners are.
But you can do exactly what you described with a regular rectangular screen that doesnt cover the entire surface, and a rounded bezel at the edges.
Its not the iris shape itself that is the puzzling thing, its the non-standard iris screen.
James Scott
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This is what I had in mind. Looks really goodFigured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
- Contextual actions/buttons
- Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
GlamFM
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Fess
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Yup. I want that.
The more I think it the more sense it makes.
Fine Ham Abounds
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DrROBschiz
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Green Mamba
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It's a pretty looking concept that I grasp completely, but I'm not playing Zelda with touchscreen buttons, haptic or otherwise.
We?
James Scott
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What's wrong with the concept? If the right stick doubles as a main button (like the GameCube's A) and the rest have decent feedback then the idea is pretty sound
Dark Cloud
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What about the controller shell? Did you think of that?
Beer Monkey
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It I have to look down to see what I'm pressing I am never, ever buying this.
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