Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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I really don't get all this hate from the internet and critics. I didn't love the movie but it was alright to me, better than MoS, and while it had so many problems it left me excited for the solo WW and Batman movies. It's disappointing, but not 34% or RT disappointing, more like the "certified fresh" Avengers 2 disappointing.

They nailed it with casting Batflick and Gal Gadot, even though WW was misused in the movie.
 
I don't even understand how the Doomsday creature was even made. Somehow Zod body plus a smidge of human blood makes the computer build a 10 foot tall mega monster? Was it Zod revived and gone mad or something else entirely?

It was just all over the fucking place. I don't even know how they all learned who each other was. they just suddenly start calling themselves by their first names about halfway through the movie.

The "meta human" file scenes were laughably thrown in and cheap as hell too. And Batman's just straight murdering fools and blowing shit up. Fuck, man. Was a disappointment.
 
Rlan said:
I don't even understand how the Doomsday creature was even made. Somehow Zod body plus a smidge of human blood makes the computer build a 10 foot tall mega monster? Was it Zod revived and gone mad or something else entirely?

It was just all over the fucking place. I don't even know how they all learned who each other was. they just suddenly start calling themselves by their first names about halfway through the movie.

The "meta human" file scenes were laughably thrown in and cheap as hell too. And Batman's just straight murdering fools and blowing shit up. Fuck, man. Was a disappointment.
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the fact that in-universe, Lex Luthor jr. kinda 'invented' the justice league heroes' logos is kinda super weird.
 
i really hope that isn't the proper flash suit because it looked awful. I'm sure everything else has been discussed

as a DC fan, i didn't enjoy it. Ben sold me on his Batman/Bruce but his storyline didn't work for me at all, loved Gal Gadot as WW (that smile on her face when she was fighting Doomsday was ace) and Alfred as well as Perry White

the rest just sucked, why did she throw the spear in the water and then go get it back 10 minutes later....who thought that would be a good idea?? And why do a whole emotional superman scene with lois just before he flies into Doomsday with the spear....it just doesn't work, people were laughing in my cinema. I don't know why Henry Cavill can't play Superman right, there is no charisma there at all

worse then MoS, i'm disappointed
 
Most of the in-costume Batman scenes were pretty great -- but his reveal, when he was just spread out clinging to the wall, that looked incredibly silly.
 
They should've kept the whole doomsday thing from the trailers. Same with WW showing up to stop the blast.

Theatre would've exploded.

Edit - too bad my prediction about Aquaman saving Lois didn't pan out. And Flash scooping up the team to stop them from getting vaporized by DD
 
jey_16 said:
i really hope that isn't the proper flash suit because it looked awful. I'm sure everything else has been discussed

as a DC fan, i didn't enjoy it. Ben sold me on his Batman/Bruce but his storyline didn't work for me at all, loved Gal Gadot as WW (that smile on her face when she was fighting Doomsday was ace) and Alfred as well as Perry White

the rest just sucked, why did she throw the spear in the water and then go get it back 10 minutes later....who thought that would be a good idea?? And why do a whole emotional superman scene with lois just before he flies into Doomsday with the spear....it just doesn't work, people were laughing in my cinema. I don't know why Henry Cavill can't play Superman right, there is no charisma there at all

worse then MoS, i'm disappointed
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Lol and after Superman retrieves the spear, she throws it away again. I get it, it hurst superman.

But yeah the whole notion of it down in the water is so that Superman can come and save lois...again (as if he didn't already do it several times in this movie).

I keep feeling there are enough decent parts and a base story to create a streamlined decent film, but what we got wasn't. Like why bother with the whole throwaway spear, retrieve spear, throwaway spear, and retrieve again when you just leave it discarded and come back to get it.

For the record, a big fan of MoS.
 
Mario said:
I was expecting mediocre. But this film was terrible.

I preferred Man of Steel which at the time I thought was average. This was many times confusing, poorly edited, and filled with odd/dumb things such as

- Young Bruce is being vacuumed up by swarming bats, oh no wait it was a dream
- Batman paints Superman as the bad guy but is just as reckless and actually more bloodthirsty and sadistic
- Senator just comes out of nowhere with blocking the kryptonite import license just because
- Flash warning from future has no explanation or setup
- Illegally imported kryptonite crate has handy Lexcorp label in case the authorities stumble on it or the mercenaries forget who it belongs to
- Advanced alien spaceship hijacked because it had the security equivalent of an iPhone Touch ID sensor
- All covert tracking devices have big red flashing lights and make beeping sounds
- Gotham and Metropolis are right next to each other?
- Oh Clark is dreaming, no wait he was hallucinating?
- Lois hadn't heard "Martha" from what I could tell but still said "That's his mother"?
- Clark Kent is "missing" but dozens of people are at his funeral?


On the plus side I liked

- Bruce racing around Metropolis
- Bruce training montage
- Affleck's take on Bruce in general
- Batman rescue of Martha Kent
- erm...
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These are exactly what I thought.
 
One bit of positivity though, I appreciated the scene with Bruce during the invasion of MoS. The fact that they didn't reuse shots, and showed events from alternate perspectives, it was very effective. That one shot of the alien ship flying straight through buildings without losing momentum was incredible.

What was Flash's dialogue during his appearance? I couldn't quite catch much of it aside from the "Lois is the key to this" bit, or something like that.

raphier said:
Justice League...in...2018...remember...me
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That's good. Damn good.
 
I actually enjoyed it :>

Plot-wise, it's messy and yeah, lots of dysfunctional reasonings, but I was expecting terribad film because of all the negative reviews and what I got was something that wasn't that bad.

It was on par with Ultron, I think... Lots of future contents crammed into it, pacing issues, too many stars competing for air time... same problems. BvS also had to cope with its director's heavy styling, which at parts could be over-the-top for me. Particularly, the opening and Batman's 'dream' were clunky and came across a bit much.

But all in all, it was enjoyable for me. I came out of the theatre feeling pleased.

I dont think WW stole the show, and yes, for its 'cheesiness' the movie styled itself too seriously, but it was a fun romp, and I enjoyed myself for those 2+ hours.

:>
 
Yeah, it wasn't good...

And why the hell was there more screentime for Lois than Batman?
Her scenes felt so boring and pointless...
 
I think this movie should've kept simple. This is how I think the movie would've worked a lot better.

Act 1: Just simple show the state of the world, characters and especially Bruce Wayne. Let the movie begin before MoS. Show what Bruce Wayne is doing right now, show, that he retired. Show, what he has gone through with Batgirl, the Robins etc. Then MoS happens. Batman gets angry. 30-40 minutes

Act 2: Start the investigation. Start the training montage, show how Batman takes out some smaller criminal groups to show the world that he's back, and more ruthless than ever. Build the myth that is Batman. Lex Luthor comes into the game, manipulates both of them, more subtle though. 30-40 minutes

Act 3: The Fight. Just the fight, let them talk in the fight, like they do in TDKR. 20-30min.
Cheesy, but the Bat somehow gains trust back in humanity.

Epilogue: Tease the JL by showing better cameos of The Flash, Cyborg, Wonder Woman and Aquaman, or don't at all. 10 minutes

Cut Wonder Woman, Doomsday, Knightmare Sequence. Mountain scene.

I might missing some stuff, but that would've been a movie I would've liked a lot more.
 
Mario said:
Should have gone to Kung Fu Panda 3.
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Funny how the movies intended for kids (KFP3 and Zootopia) are way more mature than a superhero movie for adults.

Edit: I heard they excuse the fights in the city by doing like the Ocean Dub of DBZ and go "Good thing it's Sunday, those buildings would be full tomorrow"
Might as well add heavy breathing when Superman dies at the end.
 
So I'm pretty sure the cut stuff will likely be scenes where they were actually supposed to have the Justice League cameos.

I think they had three sequences for them. Flash was Knightmare, Aquaman was saving Lois, Cyborg was the football game.

They can't do that Aquaman one so they may do another.
 
Mario said:
I was expecting mediocre. But this film was terrible.

I preferred Man of Steel which at the time I thought was average. This was many times confusing, poorly edited, and filled with odd/dumb things such as

- Young Bruce is being vacuumed up by swarming bats, oh no wait it was a dream
- Batman paints Superman as the bad guy but is just as reckless and actually more bloodthirsty and sadistic
- Senator just comes out of nowhere with blocking the kryptonite import license just because
- Flash warning from future has no explanation or setup
- Illegally imported kryptonite crate has handy Lexcorp label in case the authorities stumble on it or the mercenaries forget who it belongs to
- Advanced alien spaceship hijacked because it had the security equivalent of an iPhone Touch ID sensor
- All covert tracking devices have big red flashing lights and make beeping sounds
- Gotham and Metropolis are right next to each other?
- Oh Clark is dreaming, no wait he was hallucinating?
- Lois hadn't heard "Martha" from what I could tell but still said "That's his mother"?
- Clark Kent is "missing" but dozens of people are at his funeral?


On the plus side I liked

- Bruce racing around Metropolis
- Bruce training montage
- Affleck's take on Bruce in general
- Batman rescue of Martha Kent
- erm...


Should have gone to Kung Fu Panda 3.
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Lois visited Martha in MoS.
 
Strax said:
100% disagree with you on the electric guitar. If this was a better movie her theme would become iconic and associated with Wonder Woman forever.
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I just didnt like the choice of the electric guitar. It needed something else i thought. the Drums were spot on.

Listening to the "Is she with you" music sample on Youtube and its not as bad as it sounded in the cinema.

It might grow on me but was nothing like what i expected since they are setting her movie in WWI. and the shock might of made me dislike it more. Its not the worst theme but just not what i expected.
 
Off the top of my head things they could have cut without losing absolutely anything:
-Finding Kryptonite
-Knightmare scene
-Justice League clips/cameos
-Superman's hallucination of Jonathan Kent

There's probably more that I will remember later. They also should have removed/rewritten the entire Senator Finch plot.

aussiedude08 said:
I just didnt like the choice of the electric guitar. It needed something else i thought. the Drums were spot on.

Listening to the "Is she with you" music sample on Youtube and its not as bad as it sounded in the cinema.

It might grow on me but was nothing like what i expected since they are setting her movie in WWI. and the shock might of made me dislike it more. Its not the worst theme but just not what i expected.
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It's on Spotify. I liked it. It was one of the more effective musical themes/cues of the movie.
 
ZeroX03 said:
How does Flash time travel into someone's dreams? I know the speed force can do many things, but this is a new one.


I know, I know it was just a weird CoIE reference
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Might be part of that weird mechanical suit he's wearing. Future tech yo. Sending Batman's mind back in time with the Speed Force.
 
Slayven said:
Flashes can appear to people they love via the speedorce.....
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Fuck DC is progressive

Poodlestrike said:
Might be part of that weird mechanical suit he's wearing. Future tech yo. Sending Batman's mind back in time with the Speed Force.
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Considering how weird his dreams were, with things like Parademons he shouldn't know about, it seems like some outside force should be manipulating his dreams. Or it's just all nonsense, who fucking knows.
 
El Topo said:
There's probably more that I will remember later. They also should have removed/rewritten the entire Senator Finch plot.
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Yepppp. A huge portion of this was Luthor trying to convince the government to let him bring the kryptonite into the country, but in the end he just did it anyway without their permission. What was the point?
 
It was funny that the least qualified person then tried to get the spear. I can't be the only one who had to giggle a bit when Superman first jumps into the water like "I got this, babe" and then a minute later drifts up unconscious.

StaticJam said:
For me that moment after Clark drops off Lois and flies up to Lex to see him just casually sitting down and his line "BOY DO WE HAVE PROBLEMS UP HERE", he just completely dominated Superman at that moment. He had total control. I loved it.
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Oh right, forgot about that. That was pretty good.

BronsonLee said:
When that guitar riff hit I knew Wonder Woman was IN THE BUILDIN
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Yes, that theme is just fantastic.
 
Kinyou said:
I can't be the only one who had to giggle a bit when Superman first jumps into the water like "I got this, babe" and then a minute later drifts up unconscious.
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Pretty sure it was deliberate. Superman has to save Lois, then she has to pull him out of the water. I liked that, actually, but it's certainly dumb.

jrh2 said:
Yepppp. A huge portion of this was Luthor trying to convince the government to let him bring the kryptonite into the country, but in the end he just did it anyway without their permission. What was the point?
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They wanted to give some insight into Luthor, e.g. the whole speech in his home. In addition they fleshed out his character a bit more, e.g. that he is willing to sacrifice his assistant or that he does not let go off grudges (Granny's Old Peach Tea). I understand why they put the scenes in the movie, I just think they could have been done much, much better.
 
ZeroX03 said:
Pure boss.

The Wonder Woman movie should just be Mad Max: Themyscira Road.
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And get the girl who was going to play Wonder Woman to show up and just shoot Gadot in the noggin to no effect

Then a PIER SIX BRAWL

Kinyou said:
It was funny that the least qualified person then tried to get the spear. I can't be the only one who had to giggle a bit when Superman first jumps into the water like "I got this, babe" and then a minute later drifts up unconscious.
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I was laughing at that whole sequence. Lois chucks it in the water, oh shit we need the spear, welp fuck I'm dead, don't worry Supes got this, oh fuck now he's a buoy

d3vnull said:
I probably would agree with you if they played the theme for the first time there. But they had to oversell it with that friggin picture.
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I legit forgot about them playing it then. Welp
 
The part where Wonder Woman check out the metahuman files Is pretty awkward and forced, as it doesn't really feel organic at all. Perhaps the part where she open the files should have been a post credit scene. I was expecting the reveal of the other members to be integrated into the plot itself.
 
I wanted this movie to be good. The early Rotten score tempered my expectation, but I still held out hope there'd be some redeeming qualities.

But oh god, what an awful movie this was. Slow, plodding, trying its best to be serious and imposing but looking mostly like a joke. And what was with that music? It was more like noise half the time.

There were two things I liked:
- Wonder Woman. She held the fight at the end. But she was wasted against a boring monster that just looked like a LOTR troll.
- Batman. When he was beating people up to save Martha, that was the movie I wanted to see. They should've made a whole movie like that: Batman being badass.

Superman was a fucking punching bag. All he did against the troll after it got nuked was get hurled around.

Should've watched Kung Fu Panda 3.
 
Oh fuck.
I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’
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jrh2 said:
I think that's a stretch. TDKR and Year One are on countless lists of best graphic novels of all time. Clearly there are a lot of people who like those books.
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TDKR is a classic, but it also doesn't completely play in 2016 and that take on the character works as a "What-If" not as the standard cinematic take on the character.
 
jrh2 said:
I think that's a stretch. TDKR and Year One are on countless lists of best graphic novels of all time. Clearly there are a lot of people who like those books.
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True if you count the time before Miller went nuts.
I was talking more recent Miller comics where Batman is pretty nutso.
 
jrh2 said:
I think that's a stretch. TDKR and Year One are on countless lists of best graphic novels of all time. Clearly there are a lot of people who like those books.
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There's the problem, though. You don't theme a movie (made for mainstream consumption) from a fringe story arch with controversial tone. There's a specific Batman that most audiences are looking for when they go see a movie. Not sure a Miller or Moore version is that Batman.
 
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