I meant the people who have changed their mind about 100 times.
NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]
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I meant the people who have changed their mind about 100 times.
Wow, this is probably my favourite Neogaf thread in years!!! What a ride!! Dectective GAF, trees, gifs, awesome mock ups, semi-confirmations, rebuttals...
I thought first white controller image screamed fake, you will say wow note + unreal image (hey guys it totally runs unreal4!!) + exactly the same form as the patents really seemed like trying too hard.
New images made me doubt because of the quality of the device, but I'm still in Fake team since I want my buttons!!!
#teamFake
So awesome!!
This so much, I can't stand the whole "it's going to be crap anyway because your fingers hide some of it", you get a much, much better looking device with an extended screen.
I thought first white controller image screamed fake, you will say wow note + unreal image (hey guys it totally runs unreal4!!) + exactly the same form as the patents really seemed like trying too hard.
New images made me doubt because of the quality of the device, but I'm still in Fake team since I want my buttons!!!
#teamFake
So awesome!!
Crap compared to what? Compared to what we're used to we just get a much bigger screen than usual here.
Lets see if this works, scruffy sketches
This
compared to this
This so much, I can't stand the whole "it's going to be crap anyway because your fingers hide some of it", you get a much, much better looking device with an extended screen.
What kind of performance could you expect out of that? 30 FPS would be the best you could expect from 2 controllers.
And since most games aren't based around local-multiplayer (outside of Nintendo games), how much value would this really add fro the developers perspective?
Those were the days.
Took awhile though. It finally surpassed the Playstation 4.5 thread.
GustyGardens
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That's why I think we should try shopping some UIs instead of gameplay footage.
(shamelessly plugging my mock-up for a new page)
Yeah! I've been saying that Off-TV play is a bit too cumbersome with this design, but the full screen technology could allow for some beautiful UI, custom controls schemes and gameplay fluff.
I'm about to step out of the office, so I can't really create a mock-up, but I could imagine a game like Luigi's Mansion where, not only HUD elements are present, but the ghosts you've captured are flying around inside your controller. Perhaps they're even flying into the glass in an attempt to escape? Maybe the screen around the right stick starts to glow while your capturing a ghost. When you've got him, he pops out of the control stick.
There are a lot of ideas that could add to the experience of the game without focusing on two screens. It's always fun to speculate.
The Abominable Snowman
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Games have gotten more complex since the 90s. In your average shooter, you will need way more than 4 or 5 buttons. There's melee, selection, grenade/secondary, jump.
GTA wouldn't work as an example because you definitely need to have more than 5 or 6 buttons at your disposal at one time
According to the pictures and various people it has scrollable shoulder buttons but no triggers, and we are not sure if the analogs are clickable. So you would have to compensate for that functionality as well in the traditional gaming genres.
It´s not crap because your fingers are hiding the screen but because there are no physical buttons.
This is definitely a no-go.
Dunno man, we can't all just freeze ourselves.
This. I posted a pic days ago how it would be used in a actual NX game and possible VC:
The bottom screen of 3DS is 4:3, not 16:9. And DS/3DS games would be unplayable in this pad due the only screen.
MilkyJoe
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Cause this is the point ofdiscussion, debate and speculation. If we were to all wait and see the forum would be pointless. I
Parapraxis
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FFS people, I was pointing at the entirety of what I circled.
All of what you see in the larger selection is a reflection of the monitor, the guy backlit by the light included.
That sharp vertical line that crosses the left thumbstick is the EDGE of the monitor which is being reflected.
I mean at this point some of you don't understand how reflections work, I'm not sure I trust your ability to discern between what is real or fake.
ugh
dukeoflegs
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The examples I gave don't need high FPS they are just static information. This gives more value to the player and depending on the SDK Nintendo gives out with this thing it might nope be difficult to get up and running.
Joelstinton14
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I don't think casuals or smartphones have much to do with it. Well they do, but they can be tailored to hardcore gamers as well.
The controller could give you options. Each user as different preferences and changing the layout to suit your own needs is surely beneficial?
You don't have to look at the screen as well, if the controller offers haptics you will feel the buttons and where they are, you should be able to form muscle memory from it.
I think this is what it comes down to: Whether the haptic buttons offer reliable, and tangle feedback and feel good and accessible, whether they feel like buttons and have the same performance.
I don't think Nintendo would pursue this route if they didn't.
Not to be an ass, but I couldn't care less if you think that.
Simply cause we literally don't know what the NX is lol.
Hero of Legend
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This. I posted a pic days ago how it would be used in a actual NX game and possible VC:
Nice mock-up, but you're forgetting something; the camera and the speakers shown.
Here's my lazy edit:
The area is smaller than shown on the unit IIRC, this allows the 16:9 image to fit as well as it's ever going to with that shape.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
If this doesn't have the technology where the screen raises to form buttons than this thing is gonna flop so hard.
There has to be more than just two clickable scroll wheels on top. I'm willing to bet there will be paddles or buttons on the rear.
There has to be more than just two clickable scroll wheels on top. I'm willing to bet there will be paddles or buttons on the rear.
AGITΩ;199127220 said:
Everyone always talks about their backlog though, I know I have one. I'm not particularly looking forward to new tech as it means I need to buy it. Every way I want the games industry to evolve it could do it using modern tech, in fact it could do it using 6th gen consoles. If I was in to crazy specs or peripherals I'd just be a PC gamer instead.
Hope it's good though
I meant to add to this too, that this is quite sleek in the way that it is somewhat reminiscent of smartphones. It reminds me of a quote from Tezuka (I think) that Nintendo likes to create products that are in sync with the times.
[Also stealth repost as I'm always ending up as the last post on a page]
MilkyJoe
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Dunno. There's a patent for local cloud and upgrades to the system too. Nintendo's definitely looking at a lot of angles to increase performance of their systems in various ways post release of the system.
DownGrader
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Beautiful and minimalistic UI - unlike on Wii U where developers kind of have to shove lots and lots of icons and elements due to the fact that the screen is just too big. (Or just mirror TV image and call it a day.)
The joke
Your head
oh, you're one of those people. I see now.
wild wild rice
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There's no stopping this train.
mavericktopgun
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Holy cow this thread. Only on Neogaf lol.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Eh it just seem janky.. alot if it just seems like.. lets try this cause it look cool with no benefits
Change the controls
Little Monser
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Orange Port?
MilkyJoe
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I'm afraid not, you pointed at the head and said it's a monitor, how big of s this monitor? How come the ceiling light shines through it?
DownGrader
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I suppose people were wondering about sensor bar port (which is literally just a power outlet for a bunch of IR LEDs, LOL).
Maybe they did some playtesting and noticed "Hey, this is pretty neat".
MilkyJoe
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In future I will be sure to use special tags for you.
Parapraxis
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I'm not sure if you're just not smart, or trolling, but you can see the monitor in both pictures pretty clearly.
What you see in the controller thing is a reflection of a reflection.
Holy shit a the tree at #1747, just saw it!!!
Detective GAF is super scary, if I could leak anything, I sure as hell would never do anything in the Games-Sector, that's for sure.
BTW I think it was aza(?) Who made the awesome Zelda mock up GIF, imagine that with tactus haptic touch screen technology, which is rumored to be somehow patented by Nintendo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JelhR2iPuw0
If this would be the thing, it would be absolutely awesome and almost unpayable in my imagination.
I hope I'm wrong with the latter.
Detective GAF is super scary, if I could leak anything, I sure as hell would never do anything in the Games-Sector, that's for sure.
BTW I think it was aza(?) Who made the awesome Zelda mock up GIF, imagine that with tactus haptic touch screen technology, which is rumored to be somehow patented by Nintendo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JelhR2iPuw0
If this would be the thing, it would be absolutely awesome and almost unpayable in my imagination.
I hope I'm wrong with the latter.
MilkyJoe
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Ahh I see what you mean now, like the man in orthopedic shoes, I stand corrected.
Soulscribe
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This thing isn't real for the single reason that it's entirely too out of the box and doesn't seem to present any real advantages for playing. None of the concepts or ideas I've seen come close to being practical. It's just completely not in line with what they would create. If I'm wrong I'd be flabbergasted honestly.
it does make the hype worth it regardless of whether this turns out to be a hoax or not.
I agree with both of these things, but I don't know if it adds up to mass market success. Nintendo has clearly cared about a second screen since the days of GB/N64 connectivity, and it's clearly been something they're passionate about, and it has resulted in a lot of awesome gameplay innovations with the Wii U, and also with the DS/3DS honestly. But I don't know if it being the standard is a good idea from a purely business-based perspective (from a usability perspective it's awesome). It adds an extra cost to the system and the market heavily rejected it with the Wii U. I don't think Nintendo needs to go a "traditional," route but I don't think it's necessary or sensible for them to keep barking up this tree when there are other ways they could innovate.
That being said, while I'm personally heavily skeptical about this controller, I also think it's different enough from the Wii U one and succeeds in crucial areas where the Gamepad failed which makes it success a distinct possibility.
This is true. I guess it would be more like something they'd do in limited quantities, or they'd emulate it by having their handheld platform pair with the console platform.
Of course, as I said above I want my buttons, I was talking about the free-form screen
During the pre-announcement days of the Wii on GAF, leaked images of the hardware came in(similar to now) and the forum went into a hilarious tizzy trying to figure out what the orange port(obviously just the sensor bar plug-in) was in the images.
This was back in the Codename "Revolution" days before the tech was fully announced, but the gif's were out of control as was the page count.
Didn't people go nuts about the flap on Wii as well? Or was that Wii U?
I hold firm that this thing is a fake, the hints of ABS plastic threading on the nubs, shopped UE4 screenshot, and identical paint job on nubs and casing are too obvious for me to ignore. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the actual controller incorporates the same ideas or looks very similar to the patent. And some of the mockups people have done of the screen display are fantastic. I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of physical buttons, but the possibilities gained from their absence are interesting.
Alcotholic
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This is essentially what you're talking about:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/...eeling-and-texture-to-touchscreens-and-beyond
I'm not sure where the research is today, but I remember the concept from a few years back.
Leona Lewis
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I wouldn't be surprised at all. Ever since Wii
One might argue it started with the DS, but whatever.
3DS' glasses-free display was unprecedented at the time, but it cut the GPU at the knees and left the screen with a dreadful pixel density without actually presenting more than a handful of gameplay enhancements.
Wii U...was Wii U. Expensive, uncomfortable, underutilized, all in the name of striking that tablet cool factor. But utterly impractical, and the development community and gaming community's collective disinterest bore that out.
And now this. A sleek, fashion-forward gimmick not unlike 3D that will bring very little in the way of gameplay innovation.
Prepare to be flabbergasted.
Nintendo hasn't been "practical" for a very long time. Sony's the utilitarian workhorse now.
DownGrader
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Yes, it was on Wii, and people thought there's going to be a projector beneath it.
DukeLongfellow
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The main problem I see with this idea is third party devs not willing to take the time and effort to conform to this new control style and therefore decide to not put their games on the system.
I'm still wondering how they can get away with not having pressure sensitive triggers akin to the PS4 or Xbox 360. Nintendo out right ignored them for the Wii U game pad for the sake of two basic buttons, seriously hindering the pads potential for racing and FPS titles. If this device actually turns out to be a legit home console controller then entire genres could suffer. Having to put up with such significant compromises for the sake of portability just doesn't seem worthwhile when such a risk is at hand. Hopefully they are included along with a grip attachment or else this thing is an absolute bust along with the long list of other potential issues at a glance.
Little Monser
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