Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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+Good Batman. Wasn't that bothered when Affleck was cast, but he portrayed a good Bruce and a good Batman.
+Wonder Woman action was good (but see negs)
+Fights were not bad but close camera work is annoying. Doesn't touch Winter Soldier's visible fights though.

-Superman was poor. Why can't you save a person or two from the bomb? "the person would be torn apart from the speed" argument doesn't jive with me one bit.
-Wonder Woman acting, dialogue, and delivery is mostly garbage tier. Happy to watch the solo film with the action and clever deception as long as she has minimal actual acting.
-Wonder Woman barely in it. Complete overhype from a select few. She's just not there enough to warrant such high praise.
-Large chunk of the movie after the first ten minutes were forgettable and boring. Awful...
-Trying to keep Lois relevant. Awful casting and a waste of space. Wonder Woman should have had her screen time at least.
-Doomsday and all that comes with it was unnecessary and too soon. Seemed like it was the only they they felt it would make Superman "interesting".
-Lex in all his entirety. God awful.
 
Jack Remington said:
Superhero movies worse than BvS: Iron Man 2 & 3, both Thors, first Captain America, The Dark Knight Rises, Spiderman 1 & 3, X-Men 3, Batman Returns, Forever & B&R, both Hulk movies, and Superman Returns.
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You bugging Batman and Robin is a classic

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I'd say the editing in Snyder films are almost too much like a comic book. It's pretty much like turning a page. However it doesn't work in his films at all aside from maybe Watchmen.
 
Shadow Ranger said:
+Good Batman. Wasn't that bothered when Affleck was cast, but he portrayed a good Bruce and a good Batman.
+Wonder Woman action was good (but see negs)
+Fights were not bad but close camera work is annoying. Doesn't touch Winter Soldier's visible fights though.

-Superman was poor. Why can't you save a person or two from the bomb? "the person would be torn apart from the speed" argument doesn't jive with me one bit.
-Wonder Woman acting, dialogue, and delivery is mostly garbage tier. Happy to watch the solo film with the action and clever deception as long as she has minimal actual acting.
-Wonder Woman barely in it. Complete overhype from a select few. She's just not there enough to warrant such high praise.
-Large chunk of the movie after the first ten minutes were forgettable and boring. Awful...
-Trying to keep Lois relevant. Awful casting and a waste of space. Wonder Woman should have had her screen time at least.
-Doomsday and all that comes with it was unnecessary and too soon. Seemed like it was the only they they felt it would make Superman "interesting".
-Lex in all his entirety. God awful.
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An old Jewish couple walks into a new restaurant. They order, and sit there picking at their food.

One turns to the other and says "the food here is so awful!"

The other nods in agreement and says "I know, and the portions are so small!"

Sorry, had to :P

Anyway, as to the first negative, it's pretty clear that he just didn't have time. His head turns, the bomb goes off immediately after.
 
Oh man I just remember the fight scenes in this movie. I don't know if it was an issue with the choreography, or the editing, but these were some of the most stilted, slowest fight scenes I've seen in a long time. Especially the fight scene in the dream sequence.
 
I don't get people being bothered by Batman killing and that's really only when they're firing rockets and machine guns at him while in chases. I don't see him doing that when it comes to hand to hand combat. Then again Batman does so much damage to people they'd wish they were dead. Keeping them alive is actually worse. However it's not like Batman hasn't killed before. He strapped a bomb to a guy in Batman Returns and smiled. This should not bother people when it comes to Batman in live action.
 
FlutterPuffs said:
Oh god the metahuman email, I love it so much.

There was dramatic scrolling of Bruce Wayne's text to Wonder Woman. Also the fact that we finds out about metahumans from

A

freaking

e-mail
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And with videos made with pre-established-even-though-this-world-is-supposedly-new-to-superheroes superhero logos, too.
 
I had no problem with Batman being all "Oh! now i remember!" part on the Martha scene...

What anoyed me the most was Cavill fucking bad acting....

That part throw me out of the moment instantly...

Dude just cant act =/
 
hwy_61 said:
Oh man I just remember the fight scenes in this movie. I don't know if it was an issue with the choreography, or the editing, but these were some of the most stilted, slowest fight scenes I've seen in a long time. Especially the fight scene in the dream sequence.
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Yeah, the Knightmare fights were a bit awkward. Kind of want to chalk that up to the costume.
 
It was better than the early hyperbole indicated, but still not better than a 6 or 7 out of 10. Too long, felt disjointed at times and didn't flow from scene to scene very well, and it was dumb how "Martha?!" changed Batman's mind.

I get it, it made him see Clark as a person, but the movie had gone on too long and focused too much on Killer Batman's hatred of what Superman stood for to be convincing for me that he suddenly switched his mind.

Oh and, despite it being Frank Miller Batman, still uncomfortable with him clearly killing people.

Also, if you were a Superman fan, you should probably hate this movie.

Also x2, why the fuck should Luthor know or even allude to Darkseid. "My" Luthor wants to protect Earth from aliens, this one seemed almost happy that Darkseid noticed.
 
Poodlestrike said:
You are tho :/

First you said the relationship with regards to earning the sacrifice. Not that that actually makes any sense, since the sacrifice is the result of Superman's arc, and it impacts the relationship, not the other way around, but whatever.

Now you're on about turning them into the World's Finest. And the very first post, the one that started this whole thing, was you denying that the "scribes" of this movie had any handle on character development at all..
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The first post was purposefully hyperbolic.

In regards to Bruce and Batman, I was very clear what I was talking about, went into further detail to explain exactly what I was talking about. I'm not turning them into World's Finest...I'm saying to build towards that, it takes longer than 3/4s of a movie. They should have been friends a long while before they offed him.

To make it matter.
 
hwy_61 said:
Oh man I just remember the fight scenes in this movie. I don't know if it was an issue with the choreography, or the editing, but these were some of the most stilted, slowest fight scenes I've seen in a long time. Especially the fight scene in the dream sequence.
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The fight scene in the dream sequence was all framed in what appeared to be one shot. That can be given a pass because when he is handling the goons in the Martha rescue it's much faster and more visceral.

The slowest and clunkiest action scene is the actual BvS fight. Batman and Superman are both fighting really slow because one is affected by Kryptonite gas while the other is wearing a big suit of armor.

Honestly the BvS fight in the animated movie of TDKR is just way better lol.


I don't get people being bothered by Batman killing and that's really only when they're firing rockets and machine guns at him while in chases. I don't see him doing that when it comes to hand to hand combat. Then again Batman does so much damage to people they'd wish they were dead. Keeping them alive is actually worse. However it's not like Batman hasn't killed before. He strapped a bomb to a guy in Batman Returns and smiled. This should not bother people when it comes to Batman in live action.
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This Batman has no qualms stabbing people with knives and shooting them with guns too.

When you let him do that with impunity.. why isn't he carrying pistols and knives himself to better kill people with? Him not using guns (because guns killed his parents) and him not killing people (because that makes him an executioner which he isn't) are defining parts of being Batman. Otherwise he's just the Punisher.

It's very hard to make a Red Hood movie with this version of Batman.. because he is already the Red Hood.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
The first post was purposefully hyperbolic.

In regards to Bruce and Batman, I was very clear what I was talking about, went into further detail to explain exactly what I was talking about.
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Alright, well, I guess that if the sole criteria you're judging the progression by is "are they the World's Finest by the end of the movie," then no, one of them is old and still filled with a lot of anger and the other is dead.

So there's that.

edit: ahhhh, I get it now.

I guess that would've been nice, in its own way, but it would mostly have been different, and I can't get behind knocking a movie for not being something different.
 
linkman26 said:
If anything, I'm proud to see GAF finally appreciating Batman & Robin.

My absolute favorite Batman movie. :D
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honestly because of all the mr freeze gifs and the fact that i havent seen it in 10 years, im really itching to rewatch it entirely for the puns. puns are life.
 
Effect said:
I don't get people being bothered by Batman killing and that's really only when they're firing rockets and machine guns at him while in chases. I don't see him doing that when it comes to hand to hand combat. Then again Batman does so much damage to people they'd wish they were dead. Keeping them alive is actually worse. However it's not like Batman hasn't killed before. He strapped a bomb to a guy in Batman Returns and smiled. This should not bother people when it comes to Batman in live action.
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I think the Batman killing criticism is overblown in this movie. This movie makes an effort to indicate maybe why this version of Batman is more brutal and doesn't care for low-tier criminals.

I'm not that excited for the JL movie, or even Wonder Woman, but Affleck's Batman is a great interpretation to me in a universe with this kind of tone and I can't wait to see what Suicide Squad does. Even the ending of this film makes an effort to show a Batman who has learned something from Superman, so maybe in future movies, he won't kill anymore and keep that promise he once kept to himself.
 
kris. said:
this was a bad movie. a bad, bad movie.

+ batfleck was good. i'd be a-ok with him helming a standalone batman movie with him in the title role
+ jeremy irons was a great alfred
+ i had my doubts about gal gadot when she was first cast, but she was a great wonder woman

- everything else. the pacing, the editing, the plot, cavill was pretty bad as supes, eisenberg was a zanier zuckerberg as luther, the 30 second montage of "meta-humans" was a really dumb way of trying to introduce those characters, the nightmare sequences were silly and confusing, the pa kent sequence was wtf, the fights were boring.

that's the worst thing. i was fighting to stay awake. how do you make subject matter like this boring?

oh and that whole thing about bats not killing superman because their moms had the same name was the dumbest fucking thing i've ever seen. oh bro our moms are both named martha, im not even angry at you anymore, lets be best bros!
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He stopped because he though superman was talking about his dead mother Martha Wayne. The way Superman says it, Batman could have interpreted initially that Martha Wayne is still alive somehow and Superman is working to save her behind the scene.

Blader said:
Anyone else think the nuked Superman looked like Bizarro?

Maybe that's where that rumor came from.
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I feel like it is done to reference Bizarro. Like having Bizarro in the movie somehow but not actually Bizarro as the character. Like that manbat in the dream scene but not the real Manbat.
 
Bizazedo said:
Also x2, why the fuck should Luthor know or even allude to Darkseid. "My" Luthor wants to protect Earth from aliens, this one seemed almost happy that Darkseid noticed.
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I don't think he was happy about Darkseid, he was afraid. He probably learned so much about him from the Kryptonian ship's computer.
 
JTripper said:
I think the Batman killing criticism is overblown in this movie. This movie makes an effort to indicate maybe why this version of Batman is more brutal and doesn't care for low-tier criminals.
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If someone has a problem with Batman killing people, then explaining why Batman is killing people isn't really going to alleviate that.


That said, I don't think the movie dwelled nearly enough on Bruce becoming a harder, crueler person and how Superman's arrival was changing his behavior. If Alfred hadn't mentioned it that one time you would've never even known it.
 
Bizazedo said:
Also x2, why the fuck should Luthor know or even allude to Darkseid. "My" Luthor wants to protect Earth from aliens, this one seemed almost happy that Darkseid noticed.
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Already addressed the rest, but I don't think he's talking about Darkseid. Or if he is, he's not happy. The Kryptonian Archive seems to have showed him that left him even more unhinged than before.
 
ArtHands said:
He stopped because he though superman was talking about his dead mother Martha Wayne. The way Superman says it, Batman could have interpreted initially that Martha Wayne is still alive somehow and Superman is working to save her behind the scene.
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LMAO I wish it was that
 
IIRC both comics and DCAU Luthor stole technology from Brainiac

the ship had contents of thousands of worlds or something.

*sigh* I miss the Fortress of Solitude.
 
Blader said:
If someone has a problem with Batman killing people, then explaining why Batman is killing people isn't really going to alleviate that.


That said, I don't think the movie dwelled nearly enough on Bruce becoming a harder, crueler person and how Superman's arrival was changing his behavior. If Alfred hadn't mentioned it that one time you would've never even known it.
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It really needed to not do the origin and instead make that opening about Jason's death.
 
MisterHero said:
IIRC both comics and DCAU Luthor stole technology from Brainiac

the ship had contents of thousands of worlds or something.

*sigh* I miss the Fortress of Solitude.
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Man when Supes started pulling that ship around I thought he was going to use it for the fortress and then just goes nowhere. He just is casually moving freight ships in the artic? It was weird, but at least he goes up there to get away from the world.
 
Why was supes dragging a fricking cruise boat? Some of the scenes don't make sense in this movie.

Still, best batman film since tdk and best supes since mos :D
 
StaticJam said:
Man when Supes started pulling that ship around I thought he was going to use it for the fortress and then just goes nowhere. He just is casually moving freight ships in the artic? It was weird, but at least he goes up there to get away from the world.
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I think it was just a montage of him saving various people around the world. Ship, spaceship, flooding, etc.
 
I dont think Lex is talking specifically about Darkseid either. He's just alluring to the audience to the future films, about how there are bigger threats elsewhere and they are coming. The existance of extraterrestrial threats.
 
Poodlestrike said:
Alright, well, I guess that if the sole criteria you're judging the progression by is "are they the World's Finest by the end of the movie," then no, one of them is old and still filled with a lot of anger and the other is dead.

So there's that.

edit: ahhhh, I get it now.

I guess that would've been nice, in its own way, but it would mostly have been different, and I can't get behind knocking a movie for not being something different.
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It's about a lot of things. They were in such a hurry to world build, to have an "oh shit, he's dead" moment that they sacrificed building one of the most important relationships. I hate to inject this but at the risk of saying the M word in a DC thread, the reason that Stark vs. Rogers will carry weigh is, we have seen them grow over time, from hating each other in Avengers, to becoming friends and in some ways, dysfunctional brothers. Now, when they face off this summer, it will feel earned...and tragic.

Had they met and one of them died in the first movie they were in together...you see what I'm saying?

This whole thing was so poorly handled, imo.
 
Poodlestrike said:
Already addressed the rest, but I don't think he's talking about Darkseid. Or if he is, he's not happy. The Kryptonian Archive seems to have showed him that left him even more unhinged than before.
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The movie may be kind of jumbled as is, but I really doubt Snyder would use the Knightmare sequence to allude to Darkseid and then have Lex allude to a completely different alien threat within the same movie.
 
Bizazedo said:
Also x2, why the fuck should Luthor know or even allude to Darkseid. "My" Luthor wants to protect Earth from aliens, this one seemed almost happy that Darkseid noticed.
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He was in the Kryptonian ship pool chamber that gave him information about all the various worlds and stuff... that's probably where he got tipped off on Darkseid.
 
ArtHands said:
I dont think Lex is talking specifically about Darkseid either. He's just alluring to the audience to the future films, about how there are bigger threats elsewhere and they are coming.
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That's definitely possible, but Darkseid's logo was in the Knightmare sequence.
 
I thought that he was moving a cruise ship that got stuck in the ice.

It makes for a great comic book panel but is he seriously going to walk while dragging that towards warm waters?
 
Blader said:
If someone has a problem with Batman killing people, then explaining why Batman is killing people isn't really going to alleviate that.

That said, I don't think the movie dwelled nearly enough on Bruce becoming a harder, crueler person and how Superman's arrival was changing his behavior. If Alfred hadn't mentioned it that one time you would've never even known it.
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It did for me. When I first saw Batman killing in the knightmare, my eyes widened, then I realized it was a dream. THEN my eyes widened again during the car chase scene and the warehouse beatdown because my ideal Batman does not kill.

I, personally, don't want Batman to kill. Seeing him kill in this movie bothered be just because I'm not used to seeing that from this character in the many other interpretations I've been exposed to.

But, I can appreciate the little effort the movie makes to infer why he might be the Batman that he is currently and I can understand that this is a different interpretation of the character that is mostly great because of Affleck's performance. So I guess I can accept the killing aspect to a degree because of all that.
 
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