Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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Jack Remington said:
Honestly, this should be the end of the Tomato-meter as a gauge of anything. It's been thoroughly exposed. A whole lot of critics should be disbarred from RT as well. It shouldn't be possible to get something this wrong. The only comparable situation I can think of is maybe Speed Racer.

I'm seriously questioning the competence of many critics out there. Wow.
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Average rating of this movie is a 5/10 (and a yellow on Metacritic) and honestly that's probably where the movie falls. Around the average mark, not bad not great either.
 
So... If Lex was responsible for all the letters to Bruce about his family and stuff, is the implication that there's some sort of connection between Lex and Joker? The handwriting looked very similar.

Also: it kind of bothered me that they never made the "dead Robin" thing more clear.
 
Jack Remington said:
The idea that the meter has that strong a connection to movie quality.

At this very moment, it's still sitting at 76% with audience scores.

We the people deserve a better class of critic.
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The audience score up there was bullshit. It had over 100K audience ratings before the thing even opened publicly. Critics, people who love films so much they make it their job to talk about it, people who tend to think about films on a deeper level than most, didn't enjoy the film. Many people will not think about it as deeply as they will and will be swept away in the cacophony of explosions and CGI effects. Some don't care about characters and narratives as others.

I personally do not believe BvS to be a good film. I understand some will disagree with me, but those who scream conspiracy are bozos.
 
Jack Remington said:
Honestly, this should be the end of the Tomato-meter as a gauge of anything. It's been thoroughly exposed. A whole lot of critics should be disbarred from RT as well. It shouldn't be possible to get something this wrong. The only comparable situation I can think of is maybe Speed Racer.

I'm seriously questioning the competence of many critics out there. Wow.
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You sound like you clearly don't know how RT works.

RT is not a gauge for anything. It's a collection of a sample of reviews. To arrive at the % that you see, it divides the number of fresh reviews with the total number of reviews.

If you want a better gauge, go look at the average rating instead.
 
Jack Remington said:
Honestly, this should be the end of the Tomato-meter as a gauge of anything. It's been thoroughly exposed. A whole lot of critics should be disbarred from RT as well. It shouldn't be possible to get something this wrong. The only comparable situation I can think of is maybe Speed Racer.

I'm seriously questioning the competence of many critics out there. Wow.
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People have a different opinion then yours.

*shocked*
 
I....actually liked it. Btw I actually thought Luther was awesome and probably the best part of the movie. He was really on-edge and Jesse Eisenberg is a phenomenal actor. Though I also liked him in the trailers.

It does get a little incoherent at times, and the movie kinda drags, but it remains interesting throughout and has a satisfying climax. It is REALLY dark, probably unnecessarily so. For better or worse, it expands on a lot of what Man of Steel did, both in tone and the heavyhanded philosophy things. I think it's a lot more consistently interesting than Man of Steel and much better paced though. Most of the performances are really good, though I'm still not at all sold on Ben Affleck as Batman. Everyone returning from Man of Steel felt better here though.

Also, I'm not even a DC fan/fanboy, I'm on team Marvel. Part of me wants to say this is the best movie with a DC IP since TDK, though in all honesty TDKR is probably a better package (plus it's a really satisfying ending to a solid trilogy of movies), even if I respect BvS more in some sense.
 
Luke_Wal said:
So... If Lex was responsible for all the letters to Bruce about his family and stuff, is the implication that there's some sort of connection between Lex and Joker? The handwriting looked very similar.

Also: it kind of bothered me that they never made the "dead Robin" thing more clear.
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The family that Lex meant, was the employee who lost his legs during the MoS bit I think. I think they were referred to as a family in the sense of a company, Wayne Enterprises. I don't think it was a reference to any Robin at all. Kinda misleading in the trailers.
 
So since I didn't read comics, how does the Death of Superman storyline work? Was he really dead despite the dirt levitating at the end? Is there something special about the Krypton abomination that was created that could damage the suit and Superman where all the bullets etc. could not?
 
So will we get an explanation for why the suicide squad is even alive in suicide squad because I'm sure batman could find a way to indirectly kill them too.
 
Wonder how much of Lex's dialogue and more specifically, all the nervous ticks and twitches was eisenburg going off the cuff.
 
hwy_61 said:
That's not a rotten tomatoe issue though.
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I just don't know how this review is considered "rotten" since the reviewer admits that he "rather liked" BVS. This is the actual excerpt given for the rotten review too:

"Truthfully, despite all my grievances, I rather liked BVS. Unlike nearly all of the Marvel movies, it feels like the work of an actual filmmaker instead of a glorified television production." - Nathanael Hood

The aggregate meter really means nothing if the reviews themselves have reviewers stating that they liked the film overall despite that review being listed as a negative.
 
ShutterMunster said:
The audience score up there was bullshit. It had over 100K audience ratings before the thing even opened publicly. Critics, people who love films so much they make it their job to talk about it, people who tend to think about films on a deeper level than most, didn't enjoy the film. Many people will not think about it as deeply as they will and will be swept away in the cacophony of explosions and CGI effects. Some don't care about characters and narratives as others.
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As someone who thinks about films on a pretty deep level and cares a lot about characters and narratives, I am straight up calling some of these critics incompetent.

It should be impossible to get something this wrong.
 
Dahbomb said:
Average rating of this movie is a 5/10 (and a yellow on Metacritic) and honestly that's probably where the movie falls. Around the average mark, not bad not great either.
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I agree with this. I loved the action just like I did with MoS. There was some absolutely corny ass shit though like the bats levatating young Bruce. I though the movie was gonna be downhill from there but it recovered from it. Still I agree it was average.

Also I realize I'm just two spoiled from Marvel. I want a post credit scene dammit.
 
Schweinehund said:
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I thought it was a great moment, Most of the audience laughed when they saw the label.
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I did not expect that scene to go down the way it did.

That scene is an example I think of the film asking you to pay attention. It's directly related to the senator's and Lex's talk earlier. Lex's entire presence is felt in that hearing scene even though he's not there. Superman's reaction to that explosion is also something I liked. Wonderfully shot.

I do hope that Mercy got out of there though. I couldn't tell or remember. There is a point where it looks like she realizes what is about to happen.
 
Jack Remington said:
As someone who thinks about films on a pretty deep level and cares a lot about characters and narratives, I am straight up calling some of these critics incompetent.

It should be impossible to get something this wrong.
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You really that invested in critics scores? This is how they rate every Snyder movie. If you like his style, it's almost a foregone conclusion that you will like or love his movies.
 
Effect said:
I did not expect that scene to go down the way it did.

That scene is an example I think of the film asking you to pay attention. It's directly related to the senator's and Lex's talk earlier. Lex's entire presence is felt in that hearing scene even though he's not there. Superman's reaction to that explosion is also something I liked. Wonderfully shot.

I do hope that Mercy got out of there though. I couldn't tell or remember. There is a point where it looks like she realizes what is about to happen.
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Yeah that's some cold shit if Lex sacrificed Mercy to make his play work.

I liked her actress too.
 
Blizzard said:
So since I didn't read comics, how does the Death of Superman storyline work? Was he really dead despite the dirt levitating at the end? Is there something special about the Krypton abomination that was created that could damage the suit and Superman where all the bullets etc. could not?
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I thought it was obvious (at least to me) that when Superman impaled him with the Kryptonite spear, you can clearly see the green Kryptonite spread thru out Doomsdays body. As a result, when Doomsday counter impales Superman, it was as if he was impaling him with Kryptonite as well. Doomsdays body became a Kryptonian extension of the Kryptonite spear once he was impaled by it.
 
I don't remember the line at all, but I really liked that Bruce made a quick reference to Barbera being paralyzed. I like that shit. More of that please.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
This is how they rate every Snyder movie. If you like his style, it's almost a foregone conclusion that you will like or love his movies.
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I actually didn't really like Man of Steel much, but I liked BvS. Both of the movies have a lot of the same problems though, it's just that I found the plot and themes of BvS to be immensely more interesting. Despite its pacing issues BvS didn't feel like it ran on and on like MoS did to me. BvS felt like it had more substance. I also don't think Snyder's style is a good fit for a pure Superman movie.
 
Stunned by the movie, Zack pulled it off. I am not sure if you saw the same movie as I did, if you're having something incredibly negative to say about the movie. There were a few things that I didn't quite understand as to what was going on though, like the scene where Cyborg is being created, like what is that levitating tesserract like object? What was Luthor's reasoning to send in the suicide bomber to the court room?
 
I definitely think a lot of the criticism of the film is coming from people's projections and expectations of the characters...ie "THIS is who Superman is". Whereas this film takes liberties with the characters for this universe. Batman kills bad guys seemingly. And is generally much darker and violent than any other live action Batman, but in a believable way, as weird as that sounds. Same goes for Supes.

It's all about what these characters might actually be like in the real world IMO.
 
MaulerX said:
I thought it was obvious (at least to me) that when Superman impaled him with the Kryptonite spear, you can clearly see the green Kryptonite spread thru out Doomsdays body. As a result, when Doomsday counter impales Superman, it was as if he was impaling him with Kryptonite as well. Doomsdays body became a Kryptonian extension of the Kryptonite spear once he was impaled by it.
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Hmm, that makes more sense. I must have missed the green spread, so many effects were flying in that scene.

What was the significance of the slow-motion dirt-on-coffin shot where the dirt jumps up then? Just to fuel speculation?
 
M.Prashanth said:
Stunned by the movie, Zack pulled it off. I am not sure if you saw the same movie as I did, if you're having something incredibly negative to say about the movie. There were a few things that I didn't quite understand as to what was going on though, like the scene where Cyborg is being created, like what is that levitating tesserract like object? What was Luthor's reasoning to send in the suicide bomber to the court room?
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Some people are saying it's a Mother Box, a New Gods thing

the court room bombing was to smother Superman in more guilt about his existence
 
m_shortpants said:
I definitely think a lot of the criticism of the film is coming from people's projections and expectations of the characters...ie "THIS is who Superman is". Whereas this film takes liberties with the characters for this universe. Batman kills bad guys seemingly. And is generally much darker and violent than any other live action Batman, but in a believable way, as weird as that sounds. Same goes for Supes.

It's all about what these characters might actually be like in the real world IMO.
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Bruce in the gym was #swoleasfuck

After which I was okay with Bat throwing everyone around. lol
 
Blizzard said:
Hmm, that makes more sense. I must have missed the green spread, so many effects were flying in that scene.

What was the significance of the slow-motion dirt-on-coffin shot where the dirt jumps up then? Just to fuel speculation?
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I think superman comes back from the dead in the comics.
 
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The last thing I expected was to write a positive review about this film.

Some quick background knowledge about my tastes in superhero films: As you may be able to tell from my avatar, I am a huge fan of the MCU. With the exception of Hulk, I think every MCU film is good (Yes, even Thor 2 and Iron Man 2!) to great (Iron Man and Winter Soldier are awesome films) to GOAT tier (Avengers is my favorite of them all).

Internet logic would tell you that I hate DC and want them to fail.

But, believe it or not, my favorite comic book movie of all time is, in fact, The Dark Knight. My second favorite is the Sony-produced Spider-Man 2. Rounding out my GOAT tier trifecta is Avengers.

I was raised on Batman. The 1989 film was my first comic book movie. I watched the hell out of the other 90s Batman films, and even though going back and watching Forever and Batman and Robin is slightly painful now that I’m a bit more mature, I can still appreciate the cheese factor and ice puns. Speaking of cheese, don’t forget the 60s TV show! Watched the hell out of that too. Of course, there’s the animated series. Possibly the finest incarnation of Batman ever, and I think has only gotten better with age. Last but not least, you have the Dark Knight trilogy. Begins and Dark Knight are bonafide classics that have gone on to irreversibly change the comic book movie world for the better. And despite what GAF says, Rises is still a great fucking film, too.

So yeah, I’m a bit of a Batman fanboy. But it doesn’t stop there. I loved the Superman animated series too. I’m obsessed with Gotham, Flash and Green Arrow at the moment.

The question has to be asked, though: Do I just love everything? Am I incapable of being critical and do I just eat up all of the shit these corporations pump out at the movies?

Enter 2013. Marvel movie after Marvel movie, I come out of the theatre loving, despite many of them being heavily criticized on forums like GAF and on social media alike. Nonetheless, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is firmly established… and DC wants in on some of that sweet sweet pie. Enter… Man of Steel.

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The Man of Steel trailers are honestly some of the best I’ve ever seen to this day. Coming off the Dark Knight trilogy, I was hyped beyond belief for a similar, darker depiction of Superman. I had no reason to doubt that the film would be great going into it. DC was about to start playing with the big boys and kick off their Cinematic Universe!

And then I watched Man of Steel. And I fucking hated it. And I went to watch it again, because maybe I missed something. But no… it was shit. Crushing disappointment in an era where Marvel was not only pumping out banger after banger, but DC just put out three of the best movies I had ever seen with the Dark Knight trilogy! I’d like to elaborate on why I hated Man of Steel, but I haven’t even watched it since that second time in the theatres. It was that painful. I remember it being boring, paced poorly, having a very weak payoff, crappy, unlikable characters, cringe worthy dialogue and story… the list goes on. It was pretty looking, and the fight scenes were cool, but that’s about it.

I was in San Diego for Comic Con in 2013, so turning on my phone and seeing Batman v Superman as the film that would kick off the DC Cinematic universe was literally electric. Probably one of the most exciting announcements I was ever a part of. But the hype soon became… pessimism, as I found out that the same team of writers and Zack Snyder would be behind the film.

They were going to ruin Batman like they ruined Superman. Fuck me.

So the months went by and the announcements started coming out. Ben Affleck. “Well, he was good in Argo, but I don’t know about Batman! He’ll never be able to follow Bale.” Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. “These sound like horrible choices!” Man of Steel had tainted this film before I even saw the first footage. My hype was at an all time low, and I pretty much expected the movie to be shit.

Fast forward to 2014. I went to comic con again, and this time, I managed to get into Hall H on Saturday, where Snyder, Affleck, Cavill and Gadot would appear and show us the first footage EVER of the film, along with promo art for Batman and Wonder Women in their suits. Honestly, everything looked great… but I still couldn’t get excited for the film.

Eventually, though, just weeks ago… the hype got to me. The trailers had enough cool shit to get me excited about seeing fucking Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman together on screen. SURELY they wouldn't fuck this up. SURELY they wouldn’t rehire Snyder just to make another stinker. SURELY they realized their mistakes with Man of Steel and won’t make them again with this film, which will not only be a huge film for them, but the KICKSTARTER for their cinematic universe! Warner Bros had way too much riding on this.

And then the reviews hit. Crushing. Terrible. I braced myself for the worst. Could this be... worse than Man of Steel?

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I’m here to tell you… no.

The reviewers are crazy I tells ya. Crazy. I enjoyed the film from beginning to end. Despite all the criticism of the film being way too “dark”, I actually found myself smiling for a lot of the film!

Ok, obviously the reviewers aren’t crazy. While I haven’t had a chance to sit down and read through some of the more hate-filled writing, I’m not going to sit here and tell you “THE REVIEWERS ARE JUST OUT TO GET DC” or “THEY’RE JUST MARVEL FANBOYS AND HATE ON ANYTHING THAT’S NOT MARVEL”. Remember kids, these are the same people who rated the Dark Knight trilogy in the 90s. As much as I enjoyed the film, I can certainly see where the criticism comes from. Rest assured, this film is very much flawed… I just think the good outweighs the bad. I must have put less emphasis on the things the critics really fucking hated and more emphasis on the stuff the critics couldn’t give a shit about.

Keeping this spoiler free is going to be tough, but here we go. This will be SPOILER FREE, but I’m going to edit this post with FULL SPOILERS in the spoiler thread in a few minutes moments.

Let's start with what I liked about the film, just off the top of my head. I know I’m going to miss stuff (It’s a long film! There’s a lot going on here!) but here we go:

From the first five minutes, there’s more heart in the film than the entirety of Man of Steel. Batman doing heroic shit. YES. I was nodding in approval right from the start. AWESOME. That’s what I like to see. I felt like Batman was an analog to me in this scene, honestly. He’s running through the final events of that piece of shit Man of Steel movie and going… WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ASSHOLE DOING. UGH. And just saving people like a hero. God damn, fuck Man of Steel. Batman is going to make things right. If there was one thing I was excited for coming out of this film, it's a full, solo Batman film starring Ben Affleck. He absolutely killed it in this film. Too soon to say he's better than Bale, but he was great!

How many times have we seen the Batman origin story? Did it need to be shown AGAIN in this film? Probably not. But honestly, if there’s one thing Snyder does right, it’s a slow motion, cinematic-ass intro to a film. That Watchmen intro set to Bob Dylan was legendary, and the Wayne murders evoked similar feels for me. This is one of those things I can see critics going “Why did they waste time on this again! Everyone knows the Batman origin story! Wasting time!”... whereas I take it for what it is. A visually stylish retelling of the most important origin story in comic book history.

Something we already knew from the trailers, but the Batman and Wonder Woman suits were fantastic, and seeing them in the film was so great. Again, I found myself smiling just seeing them on the big screen. The damn near perfect Batman suit. Wonder Woman played by a beautiful actress who, despite all odds, looked the part damn well and played it well too! Once again, I think these are things critics really don’t give a shit about when reviewing and attaching a score to a film. But just seeing them all together. Seeing the money shot. Pure fanboy glee. We got our DC equivalent of this:

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And it was AWESOME.

The pace of this film was fast and furious. Once again, one of the big complaints I heard about the film was that it dragged… and I just didn’t feel it at all. I was into everything on the screen. I wanted to see this new Batman. His gadgets in this universe and how they compared to the other incarnations of Batman. Similar to the Dark Knight? How much would Dark Knight Returns influence the film and the character, as you’d expect from Frank Miller fanboy Zack Snyder? What about Alfred? Then we’d go to Superman. Then we’d go to Wonder Woman. Then Lois Lane. Then Luthor. And back and forth. I honestly never felt bored at any point during the film.

They did a lot of world building for the cinematic universe in this film. But again, while many would take that and turn it into a negative (It's just a big commercial! There's no plot it's just setting up shit for the next films!)… that’s exactly what I was looking for going into the film. How were they going to establish this new cinematic universe? Could they get me excited for the solo Batman and Wonder Woman films? The Justice League films? The answer is YES! I left the film dying to see a new solo Batman film with more Affleck and Irons’ Alfred. Can they pull off a solo Wonder Woman film? I’d love to see them try!

Gal Gadot is no Academy Award nominated best actress. There was concern from the day she was cast for the role, and rightfully so... But they absolutely worked to her strengths with this film. They kept her dialogue to a minimum (and even some of the lines she delivered were a bit wooden, but she was mostly fine) and let her eyes, body language and ass kicking do most of the talking. And my god does Wonder Woman kick ass in this movie. Soooooo awesome to see. They nailed it.

Speaking of ass kicking, the fight scenes. Oh my god. One of the few things they did right in Man of Steel, and they definitely didn’t drop the ball here. Batman and Superman beat the shit out of each other. Wonder Woman, as I mentioned, AMAZING. But best of all was Batman. Gone is the often criticized fight choreography of the Dark Knight trilogy (even though I didn’t have much of a problem with it), and here comes Arkham Asylum Batman come to life. Jesus Christ this dude hits HARD, and it is incredible to see. If I can credit Snyder for anything, it’s that he knows how to shoot action scenes, and frame things perfectly at times. There were some awesome shots that looked like something straight from the pages of a comic, and fight scenes, as I mentioned, looked like something straight out of an Arkham game… or Dragon Ball Z, in the case of Superman.

Rapid fire:

-Doomsday wasn’t amazing, but not offensively bad either. Baby spoiler:
He was there to make the heroes look awesome, especially Wonder Woman.

-Laurence Fishburne provided most of the humor in the film, and I laughed quite a bit. Just a constant barrage of

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-People shit on Eisenberg’s Luthor, even going as far as to call him “Schumacher-esque” cheesy, and I just didn’t see that at all. Did he do the character justice? Was he menacing enough? No. Were his motivations made strong and clear? Kinda, but not really. But he was not awful, or even bad. Just okay. I'm sure we haven’t seen the last of him. Again, I just come out of this film excited to see this universe formed and ready to take on some of the other big bads of the DC universe, maybe working with Luthor?

The references to Dark Knight Returns, my favorite Batman story, were absolutely out of control. Superman after getting nuked. The entire fight between Batman and Superman. I was fanboying out of my fucking mind here. I loved it so much. Seeing elements of that story on the big screen in a $250 million budget blockbuster is something I just never thought I’d see. I only wish, when standing above Superman while he begged for his mother’s life, Batman gave the “I want you… to remember… the one man who beat you”.

In fact, I came out of this film fanboying with my cousin like crazy about what they “could” have done. Aww I wish they did “this!” It would have been awesome if they did “that”! I love how they did “so and so”. To me, that’s such a compliment to a great comic book movie, when they get your mind racing like that. There’s excitement coming out of the film. It compels me to write a 3000 word post like this! It’s something Marvel absolutely nails, and now BvS absolutely did so as well.

Finally, I have to talk about the quick cameos of the Justice League characters. While it was nothing amazing, I fanboyed out and smiled as Wonder Woman played all of those clips. Again, something that can easily be criticized as blatant, cheap world building for the next films… I just personally enjoyed it. Damn right go through all those 30 second video clips Diana! The hype!


Now the dislikes. I’m going to avoid nitpicking here, because there’s a ton of stuff to nitpick, but once again, the good outweighs the bad so follow my posts in this thread if you want to hear my thoughts on random nitpicks as they come to mind.

My number one complaint isn’t even in the movie itself, amazingly. It’s the trailers. Oh my fucking god the trailers gave away WAY too much of this film.

So the film is basically divided into three major parts:

part one is the introduction of characters and plot, lots of build up
part two is batman fighting superman
part three is batman, superman and wonder woman teaming together to take down doomsday.

Basically, the trailers and media for this film showed us WAY too much of parts two and three. Way too fucking much. The money shots were all spoiled. Some of the best dialogue and one liners in the film were spoiled. That money shot of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman together at last was the climax of the entire fucking film! And they spoiled it! I understand that they think they have to show some of the good stuff in the trailers to get people hyped… but you could have easily picked a bunch of footage from part one and sold the film on that alone. It's Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman in the same movie, it sells itself! Also, the Star Wars TFA trailers showing almost NOTHING proves that you don't need to spoil the damn movie to get people to watch.

The way I see it is like if they showed this scene from Avengers... in a trailer that came out months before the film:

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Instead, that scene came out of nowhere and it was INCREDIBLE.

Take a few shots of batman and superman fighting from part two (staring each other down in the rain, running towards each other), and then you only needed to show ONE shot of part three, and that is a single shot of Wonder Woman in the armor. That’s it! You didn’t need to spoil Doomsday at all! Did Doomsday being in that trailer sell a single additional ticket? Did they have to spoil the money shot? the climax of the film? Did they have to show Batman blocking an obviously "weakened by kryptonite" Superman’s punch?

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What an AWESOME scene! What an iconic shot!

It was probably my favorite part of their entire fight, but they fucking spoiled it in a trailer! Ultimately, this isn’t a terrible problem for a film to have, and I’m absolutely amazed that it’s my biggest problem of the film (They gave away too much of the good stuff beforehand… lol), but there you go. I would have enjoyed it even more if they didn’t give some of those shots away.

Sometimes the fast pacing of the film worked against it. Some of the cuts were absolutely jarring. Like… woah how did we just get here? That was really fast. It was a bit hard to wrap my head around some of those jumps. The film being too long and dragging seems to be a common criticism, but honestly, I’m dying to see that extended R-rated cut to see if they can fill in any of those blanks that I felt the movie had.

As I mentioned, the villains could have been better, and I imagine their lack of menace/threat is a big reason why the scores for this film are so low. I understand that and I do wish they did a better job here with Luthor and Doomsday.

And honestly that’s really it that comes to mind right now. Again, I’m sure I’m going to read some reviews/posts and agree with some of the flaws pointed out, but major things that come to mind? That’s about it. Perhaps the biggest problem with the film, that prevents it from reaching the upper echelon of superhero films, is that is just lacks the highs of a Spider-Man 2. Of a Batman Begins. Of a Winter Soldier. But it certainly doesn’t reach the lows of a Man of Steel or Daredevil or Batman Forever like the Rotten Tomato score would lead you to believe. The positives outweigh the negatives, for sure.

Rapid-fire:

Okay Batman fucking kills people… so what. OMG SACRILEGE WHAT KIND OF BATMAN FAN ARE YOU!!11 Chill out. I’d rather he didn’t, obviously. He didn’t need to. But I don’t think it hurt the film terribly or anything. Unlike Superman just fucking flying through buildings carelessly and killing thousands in Man of Steel and then viciously snapping the next of General Zod at the end… Batman kills some random nameless grunts. Usually via Batmobile. I really didn’t think it was a huge deal nor did it really detract from the film to me.

I’m not sure I understand the whole “killing Superman” thing at the end. Like… come on. COME ON. I don’t think there’s a single person watching this film who left it thinking “omg superman is dead” even if they didn’t do that final shot with the dirt flying up.

Also, the lack of mid-credits or post credits scene was a shame. I guess that’s a Marvel thing that they want to stay away from, but waiting until the end of the credits and being treated to a tiny itty bitty teaser for the next film is always a fun way to build hype. Just 15 more seconds of Flash doing Flash stuff would have been so cool.

Speaking of Flash, I’m still salty that Grant Gustin isn’t Flash. And one armed Green Arrow played by Stephen Amell with a beard shooting a kryptonite arrow at Superman didn’t happen :(

Closing thoughts:

I think they did a disservice calling the film Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. I’ve already had friends who disliked the film tell me that they weren’t happy with how short the fight was between Batman and Superman. I think maybe a lot of people went into this film expecting more fighting between Batman and Superman, honestly, as you’d expect from the title. But it didn’t hurt the film much for me. The fighting that did happen between them was great. Imax footage just added to the spectacle. Of course they were going to work together in the end and eventually form the Justice League! And in that, it's the second part of the film's title that they really nail: “Dawn of Justice”.

I really enjoyed the film, and it has left me super excited for this DC Cinematic universe. While it feels different from the awesome MCU, that is not a bad thing. It’s different in a good way. I can’t believe they managed to pull this shit on a Man of Steel hating kid with a MCU Spider-Man avatar. If I’m not living proof that you have to see a movie and judge it yourself despite what critics/everyone says (“The movie is shit! If you didn’t like Man of Steel you won’t like this!”) I don’t know who is. Bring on the R rated director’s cut.

If I had to give it a score after one viewing, it would probably be a 7/10. For reference, Dark Knight Rises is an 8, Begins is a 9, and Dark Knight is a 10. That’s pretty good company, I think. And I ranked Man of Steel a 4/10.

So... you still with me after 3500 words? What did you all think? I'm not crazy, right?

Right?

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Blizzard said:
Hmm, that makes more sense. I must have missed the green spread, so many effects were flying in that scene.

What was the significance of the slow-motion dirt-on-coffin shot where the dirt jumps up then? Just to fuel speculation?
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Dirt, etc rising around Superman when he's using his power to start to fly is a thing in this universe. There is a big focus on it in Man of Steel. That was to show he was alive, recovering, or coming back to life, etc.
 
Wasn't a fan of the movie. The post-climax ran too long, and the horse frequency was just odd. Sobering moment of Bruce stumbling through dust, his work family likely having died...and there's a horse thrown in? Half the theatre laughed at it.

And how was Bruce nightmare'ing about Parademons?

hwy_61 said:
I think superman comes back from the dead in the comics.
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Well it ain't like they'll make a Justice League movie without Superman. Kinda killed all the weight of his death, since we know he won't stay dead for long.
 
I just got out of the theater and I can say is that it's no where near as bad as what the scores are. I have a few issues with the movie that doesn't make it great, but it's not awful and the action is amazing.
 
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