Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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ThoseDeafMutes
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Tonally its similar to Watchmen, yes, although not quite as much of a cold war apocalyptic feel. It's trying to tackle some very heady themes and does not succeed as well because it lacks the brilliant overarching story to tie it together that wm has. Not a total failure but they're both very snyder films for better or worse.
For me, wm is a five star film, with the asterisk that five stars does mean flawless, just excellent.
It's just there. It's not offensively bad, but it's painfully mediocre. The film does it's job but that's about the best that can be said about it. You may just as well watch it since it's most likely you'll forget about what happened within hours.
Zeyphersan
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I think the current consensus is that the film is actually a complete masterpiece and that Kevin Feige personally blew the people behind every negative review so he could release another Marvel movie with the exact same plot as every other Marvel movie in the hopes that no one would notice
Rumor has it there is no Civil War, they're just going to replay The Winter Soldier in theaters but with someone in a Wal-Mart Spider-Man mask green-screened in. Of course because of the Marvel logo it'll hit 90% easy
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Oh good, well as long as everybody but me is making money off this I can at least sleep peacefully.
Mix Master
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My biggest complaint is some people even on this board take all criticism as "Oh they're just marvel fanboys". That is directly ignoring the problem, dark and gritty work for batman, but not for Superman. Superman is supposed to be a beacon of hope, a symbol for justice. And from what I'm seeing Snyder just said "Nah bruh".
Another thing that bothers me personally is when people bring up the fact that his films are "Joyless" they say "Well not every film has to have jokes like Marvel!" but that is missing the point, Bruce should have light moments, and Clark should have inner reflecting moments. No one is going to mock your film for having characters laugh when it feels organic and not like it came off the assembly line
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Imperfected
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How did Eisenberg's Luthor happen? Is this a case where Snyder had no idea what to do with the character and, in effect, "punted" by telling Eisenberg to just do whatever? Was Eisenberg just unable to reconcile Luthor's actions and characterization thereof in the script with any sort of coherent character?
I can't really imagine this is a situation where everyone was coming into it on the same page, dramatically.
I can't really imagine this is a situation where everyone was coming into it on the same page, dramatically.
ryutaro's mama
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This could be my favorite BvS thing on the Internet.
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No, he wanted to use Joker, but he was already taken, so he mashed him and Ozymandias together to form Frankenlex.
The thing about Thor 2 is this; it's super safe. There were 2-3 moments in there that I thought was awesome and game changer at first, and then the movie goes "psych!! it's a fake out!!!".
Otherwise it's pretty enjoyable movie due to Loki.
Zeyphersan
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For real though, I hate Thor 1, and found Thor 2 to be mildly enjoyable. I was as surprised as anyone
sankt-Antonio
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Pauline Kael said it was "a monumentally unimaginative movie"
John Simon felt it was "a regrettable failure, although not a total one. This film is fascinating when it concentrates on Bats or Gods ... and dreadful when it deals with the in-betweens: humans ...BvS, for all its lively visual and mechanical spectacle, is a kind of space-Spartacus and, more pretentious still, a shaggy God story."
Stanley Kauffmann of The New Republic called it "a film that is so dull, it even dulls our interest in the technical ingenuity for the sake of which Snyder has allowed it to become dull."
Renata Adler of The New York Times wrote that it was "somewhere between hypnotic and immensely boring."
Andrew Sarris called it "one of the grimmest films I have ever seen in my life ...BvS is a disaster because it is much too abstract to make its abstract points."
Eminent historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. deemed the film "morally pretentious, intellectually obscure and inordinately long ... a film out of control"
John Simon felt it was "a regrettable failure, although not a total one. This film is fascinating when it concentrates on Bats or Gods ... and dreadful when it deals with the in-betweens: humans ...BvS, for all its lively visual and mechanical spectacle, is a kind of space-Spartacus and, more pretentious still, a shaggy God story."
Stanley Kauffmann of The New Republic called it "a film that is so dull, it even dulls our interest in the technical ingenuity for the sake of which Snyder has allowed it to become dull."
Renata Adler of The New York Times wrote that it was "somewhere between hypnotic and immensely boring."
Andrew Sarris called it "one of the grimmest films I have ever seen in my life ...BvS is a disaster because it is much too abstract to make its abstract points."
Eminent historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. deemed the film "morally pretentious, intellectually obscure and inordinately long ... a film out of control"
These are actually Kubrick's 2001 SO critics
Unimaginative argument or master troll? You decide. Can't wait to actually see the Movie 
You should go watch Catwoman. It is so bad, but entertainingly so. The editing looks like it was done by someone with a severe case of OCD. I was laughing so hard at it. I feel like Batman V Superman won't be as entertaning, but we shall see.
Pauline Kael said it was "a monumentally unimaginative movie"
John Simon felt it was "a regrettable failure, although not a total one. This film is fascinating when it concentrates on Bats or Gods ... and dreadful when it deals with the in-betweens: humans ...BvS, for all its lively visual and mechanical spectacle, is a kind of space-Spartacus and, more pretentious still, a shaggy God story."
Stanley Kauffmann of The New Republic called it "a film that is so dull, it even dulls our interest in the technical ingenuity for the sake of which Snyder has allowed it to become dull."
Renata Adler of The New York Times wrote that it was "somewhere between hypnotic and immensely boring."
Andrew Sarris called it "one of the grimmest films I have ever seen in my life ...BvS is a disaster because it is much too abstract to make its abstract points."
Eminent historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. deemed the film "morally pretentious, intellectually obscure and inordinately long ... a film out of control"
These are actually Kubrick's 2001 SO critics
Unimaginative argument or master troll? You decide. Can't wait to actually see the Movie
Reviews are pretty on point for both movies actually
Yeah Thor 2 isn't really that bad, just mediocre.
Loki's part of the storyline is actually pretty good, and sets up a lot of interesting stuff for future films.
The bit where Thor gets the underground, asks for directions to Grenwich, and is given directions that anyone who has ever seen a tube map would know make no sense at all is pretty unforgivable though.
Loki's part of the storyline is actually pretty good, and sets up a lot of interesting stuff for future films.
The bit where Thor gets the underground, asks for directions to Grenwich, and is given directions that anyone who has ever seen a tube map would know make no sense at all is pretty unforgivable though.
I can second this. I found Catwoman so-bad-it's-hilarious.
Decent but not amazing. You could see the business requirements forcing the plot to build the universe too quickly and some editing issues. Fight scenes and comic book call outs were pretty cool though.
Critics are way too hard on it IMO. Not amazing tier but not horrible either. Other than IM1, Winter Soldier and GotG - was better than most of Marvel's formulaic stuff.
If I would change something it would be Superman being aligned with the government and being more of a boyscout/not so broody. That would have been maybe a better route.
Critics are way too hard on it IMO. Not amazing tier but not horrible either. Other than IM1, Winter Soldier and GotG - was better than most of Marvel's formulaic stuff.
If I would change something it would be Superman being aligned with the government and being more of a boyscout/not so broody. That would have been maybe a better route.
ScreenSplitter
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Thor 2 is just... Fine. People wanted Marvel villains to get their own movie, and that's essentially what Thor 2 is: a solo Loki flick with Thor gurning away in the background.
Mix Master
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That dude with the Don Cheadle avatar gonna come in here tommorow and the thread will be back at Iron Man 3
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This might just be a stealth marvel thread
Here we go
FOR
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This might just be a stealth marvel thread
Here we go
BudokaiMR2
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I actually walked out of Catwoman like 30 mins in and I was being PAID TO BE THERE.
I lost out on what was probably 2-3 hours of free money because I said fuck it and told my students to enjoy the movie and just went back to my school to clock out.
Could have finished the movie and taken them to coffee afterwards or something to milk the clock, but no way was I gonna sit through that steaming turd. lol
BronsonLee
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Nothing tops Affleck in that skit wantonly telling Kimmel to fuck off and Cavill just getting fed up and crushing his damn phone
OK, I'm gonna go to the theater and watch it again today. Yesterday I forgot my glasses at home and some things were a bit blurry. I almost fell asleep yesterday too cause I was so fucking tired (3pm screening).
The benefit is that here in Milan almost all theaters do half price tickets for the first screening of the day and students so it ain't costing me shit. I want to see if I feel the same the second time around and if my 2/5 rating will still be valid.
The benefit is that here in Milan almost all theaters do half price tickets for the first screening of the day and students so it ain't costing me shit. I want to see if I feel the same the second time around and if my 2/5 rating will still be valid.
Didn't enjoy marvel making another white business man the villain at the end.
Pop-O-Matic
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Let's quit arguing about Iron Mans and Thors and get back to appreciating an actual good movie: Paul Blart: Mall Cop
AmaterasuOni
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TheSlySoul
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I hope the Justice League and Paul Blart 3 come out the same day. Battle of the RT %'s!
I mean if you can only see it that way, then you missed the entire point of the movie.
Jack Remington
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Honestly I think a good editor could make this a 9, particularly if the editor subbed in some of the deleted stuff.
What infuriated me about the dude saying Age of Ultron was better was that there was literally nothing worthwhile about that film, not even a solid core you could discover with enough editing. AoU exists solely to check some boxes. Making AoU good would require changing almost everything about the film.
BvS could be hugely improved by one dude with a day in Final Cut.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I pretty much hated it, but the crowd I saw it with was very excited throughout the whole film, almost to the point of parody. I'm not prude when it comes to clapping for awesome moments, but a half dozen lunatics clapped for kryptonite showing up. I'm not clapping for a fucking rock, man.
-Plasma Reus-
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I fucking love him so much.
It's also fun that he said he enjoyed it just as much as he didn't like some parts. But overall recommends viewing it because it does live up to a lot of our fan fantasies.
Superman is his boy. If superman loses to Batman, I'm sure that would enrage him. He doesn't want to spoil it, but I hope that's what happens so that I can enjoy his spoiler filled review even more.
TheSlySoul
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Reminds me of this scene from SpongeBob: http://youtu.be/BBgiU_rNDxs
But you're Biggest-Geek-Ever!!
ArtHands
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Biggest-Geek-Ever
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HEY
We all have standards, we all have lines we won't cross (BvS spoilers)
except for this Batman. 
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..... Mix Master
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Man i feel bad for ben, first his family and now this. I don't care how much money you have seeing a project you worked on for so long trashed like this, maaaan.
He said he both fucking Loves and Hates this film.
Officerrob
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He's been in a lot of shitty movies. I'm sure the first movie he directs that's a disappointment with hit him MUCH harder
TheSlySoul
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"All orgasms but no foreplay"
Honestly probably a perfect description of the action scenes...
Jack Remington
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Watching Batman Begins in theaters was such an amazing experience. I remember people applauding when Falconi is tied to the spotlight, and the camera cuts to show his silhouette forming the bat signal. Thunderous applause at the end too. How was that 11 years ago?
It kinda is. Some bits should work but don't. Some bits shouldn't work but do. It is dark, but not to the point where it's tedious to watch. There's not a lot I can say without spoiling it, but overall the audience reaction was positive and that seems to be the case pretty much everywhere. The things it does wrong are things that the critics would slam it for (I.e. editing) but it's also stuff that the general audience can overlook as long as the rest is good. After watching the film I definitely see where the cast members are coming from with the "it's made for the fans, not the critics line". I thought it was horseshit before watching it, but I kinda get it now. Tbh Wonder Woman's scenes are hype as fuck so it's worth watching it for that alone, never mind the other good stuff.
Ben Morales
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Wow I really did forget the plot to this movie because I have no idea what you are talking about. 🤔
But yes, I do remember enjoying the parts with Loki and
Kat 😍
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All the reviews pretty much go: "everything sucks, except Ben Affleck."
Pretty sure the guy is on cloud nine. These days, even when a movie he's in gets completely destroyed, he still wins.
Officerrob
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This is true as well, Batfleck is getting almost universal praise. I thought the movie was a fucking mess, but loved Batfleck (didn't like some of the things they had him do though)
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