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[Razgriz-Specter]

Did Mercy Graves get blown up?
I keep seeing people say that but I thought she was holding Lex's seat which is empty immediately before the explosion.

And I didn't see her still there.

 

[Blader]

Well, this explains your thoughts on Batman's grizzled worldweariness or how nothing comes out of Superman killing Zod

I think that the scene where Bruce visits Lex in prison happens between those. Possibly very important stuff.

Ah, so you did see that? Nevermind, I guess.

The former two points stand tho

What does the threat of Darkseid coming and Bruce assembling the JL have to do with Superman killing Zod?

Did Mercy Graves get blown up?
I keep seeing people say that but I thought she was holding Lex's seat which is empty immediately before the explosion.

And I didn't see her still there.

Yes. She was sitting next to Lex's empty seat. I'm not sure why Lex needed her to die. To convince the senator that he was going to be in the room and just running late? Was she going to cancel the hearing because it was suspicious that Lex wasn't there?

 

[Poodlestrike]

Did Mercy Graves get blown up?
I keep seeing people say that but I thought she was holding Lex's seat which is empty immediately before the explosion.

And I didn't see her still there.

I think it's safe to assume she's dead, unless we get something in the future saying otherwise. No way she had enough time to clear the blast radius.

What does the threat of Darkseid coming and Bruce assembling the JL have to do with Superman killing Zod?

Well, two things.

"The bell has been rung."

He's referring to Superman's death, and possibly the process that turned Zod into Doomsday, attracting the attention and designs of far flung alien threats. We still don't know that he's talking about Darkseid specifically, he clearly saw something in the Kryptonian archives that led to him being even more unhinged than before. That could be Darkseid, but it could be Brainiac. Or Mongul or something, but that's a lot less likely

Anyway, Zod's death led to Superman's death in a direct way here.

 

[kmag]

He had Flash's warning about save her and when Clark mentioned his mother he saw him as a person not just an alien for the first time. I thought his decision there to pull back was pretty well done.

Was that a motherbox with Cyborg?

From his point of view he didn't have a warning from Flash, he had a bad dream. He has no clue who the Flash is, and unless he's had a unmentioned history of precognition, he's hardly going to let his nightmare factor into his thought process.

It's like that dream I had where I was married to Shakira, I didn't wake up looking to order wedding rings.

 

[thehypocrite]

ok guys, was the resolution between batman and superman realistic? just because they have the same mothers first name, now they are on good turns. how does that make batman see superman in a better light?

Batman's hunted by the deaths of his parents. Worries how he can honor them, how that wound still bleeds, seeing Superman trying to save his mother was something he could relate as he wished he could had done something to save them back then. He had a chance this time, how he was begging for the life of his mother instead of his own was something he could connect. I see why people may have issues with it but I didn't bother me.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Yes. She was sitting next to Lex's empty seat. I'm not sure why Lex needed her to die. To convince the senator that he was going to be in the room and just running late? Was she going to cancel the hearing because it was suspicious that Lex wasn't there?

thats dumb as fuck then.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

From his point of view he didn't have a warning from Flash, he had a bad dream. He has no clue who the Flash is, and unless he's had a unmentioned history of precognition, he's hardly going to let his nightmare factor into his thought process.

It's like that dream I had where I was married to Shakira, I didn't wake up looking to order wedding rings.

Consider that he saw the meta-human videos though. He dreams about the Flash warning him and then later sees the same guy in a video showing that he has superpowers. Good chance that set off some mental alarms.

 

[JTripper]

At least half my screening were waiting for a post credits scene. I'd done the research.

Anyone else like the military's black coffin with silver Superman symbol? I thought that was a nice nod.

I thought there were some nice comic inspired shots in the film, including that silver symbol. The Death of Superman shot of him lying there with Batman and WW standing by was cool too.

Also, despite the fatigue of seeing Batman's origin on screen and the falling pearls, I really liked that one shot of the criminal's gun pulling on Martha's pearl necklace.

 

[Blader]

Well, two things.

"The bell has been rung."

He's referring to Superman's death, and possibly the process that turned Zod into Doomsday, attracting the attention and designs of far flung alien threats. We still don't know that he's talking about Darkseid specifically, he clearly saw something in the Kryptonian archives that led to him being even more unhinged than before. That could be Darkseid, but it could be Brainiac. Or Mongul or something, but that's a lot less likely

Anyway, Zod's death led to Superman's death in a direct way here.

well my point about Zod's death was that it doesn't really affect Superman at all as a character. He or Lois don't examine it, he doesn't wrestle with it, he doesn't once talk about it or treat it as a big deal or something that even happened. Now that I think of it, the Senate hearing was a perfect time to bring it up -- that he could never have killed those people in Africa because he had in fact killed once before and was so disgusted with it and never wanted to feel that again. Or something like that, I don't know.

I'm not saying Zod's death had no literal influence on the movie -- obviously, his corpse is the instrument for creating Doomsday -- but as a crisis of conscience that was supposed to influence or change Superman's personality, and help define him as the Superman he was growing into, it may as well not have happened at all.

 

[Poodlestrike]

well my point about Zod's death was that it doesn't really affect Superman at all as a character. He or Lois don't examine it, he doesn't wrestle with it, he doesn't once talk about it or treat it as a big deal or something that even happened. Now that I think of it, the Senate hearing was a perfect time to bring it up -- that he could never have killed those people in Africa because he had in fact killed once before and was so disgusted with it and never wanted to feel that again. Or something like that, I don't know.

I'm not saying Zod's death had no literal influence on the movie -- obviously, his corpse is the instrument for creating Doomsday -- but as a crisis of conscience that was supposed to influence or change Superman's personality, and help define him as the Superman he was growing into, it may as well not have happened at all.

They might not spend time talking about it, but compare/contrast Superman's actions before and after fighting Zod. His first reaction to seeing a monster isn't to start swinging, it's to get it the fuck away from there. During the thing with the African warlord, you see a similar impetus. They don't stop and have him discuss how killing Zod changed him, but you can see the effects all the same.

 

[Mouse Cop]

Has it been announced when the solo Batman film is? I know it's been announced with Affleck writing and directing it, but there's no timetable? I'm guessing there's no plans for another solo Superman as well.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Has it been announced when the solo Batman film is? I know it's been announced with Affleck writing and directing it, but there's no timetable? I'm guessing there's no plans for another solo Superman as well.

Nothing for either of them yet. Aflleck's been doing heavy hinting, though.

Really want a solo Superman movie now that he's come through this arc.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Has it been announced when the solo Batman film is? I know it's been announced with Affleck writing and directing it, but there's no timetable? I'm guessing there's no plans for another solo Superman as well.

2018. I'm guessing it'll be bumped up.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

As corny as it was that WWI Wonder Woman photo with her theme was hype as fuck.

 

[Father_Brain]

2018. I'm guessing it'll be bumped up.

It was never officially announced.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

Has it been announced when the solo Batman film is? I know it's been announced with Affleck writing and directing it, but there's no timetable? I'm guessing there's no plans for another solo Superman as well.

Pretty sure we'll find out at ComiCon. They were probably waiting for BvS to come out so that the could decide the public opinion of Batfleck. MoS 2 will probably come if Cavill's Superman is well received in Justice League (which is apparently going to be the film where he becomes more like the Superman people have wanted).

 

[Mouse Cop]

So is the plan to have the Justice League movie come out before the Flash and Aquaman solo films? That's going to end up being the same thing as this movie, where they try to explain the origins of Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman while dealing with some other thing (Darkseid?). They can end up going the route of this movie where they have Batman dealing with a post-Joker and Todd Gotham, but I'm assuming the solo Batflicks will set up Red Hood. With the first movie taking place before BvS and even MoS and the second movie taking place after. With the Flash dream/speedforce illusion, seems like maybe a flashpoint movie?

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

"The bell has been rung."

He's referring to Superman's death, and possibly the process that turned Zod into Doomsday, attracting the attention and designs of far flung alien threats. We still don't know that he's talking about Darkseid specifically, he clearly saw something in the Kryptonian archives that led to him being even more unhinged than before. That could be Darkseid, but it could be Brainiac. Or Mongul or something, but that's a lot less likely

Anyway, Zod's death led to Superman's death in a direct way here.

Superman is a threat to humanity... I must stop him...
...by bringing more powerful beings who are an even greater threat to humanity.


Bruce, why the hell didn't you put two and two together when you got the rejected checks with the personal messages and when the security crippled guy blew up the hearing with Lex's wheelchair.

Why you killing everybody?

I like your fighting style though.

 

[Poodlestrike]

As corny as it was that WWI Wonder Woman photo with her theme was hype as fuck.

Yeah.

So is the plan to have the Justice League movie come out before the Flash and Aquaman solo films? That's going to end up being the same thing as this movie, where they try to explain the origins of Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman while dealing with some other thing (Darkseid?). They can end up going the route of this movie where they have Batman dealing with a post-Joker and Todd Gotham, but I'm assuming the solo Batflicks will set up Red Hood. With the first movie taking place before BvS and even MoS and the second movie taking place after. With the Flash dream/speedforce illusion, seems like maybe a flashpoint movie?

If they can even out the pacing, that'll work just fine.

Superman is a threat to humanity... I must stop him...
...by bringing more powerful beings who are an even greater threat to humanity.


Bruce, why the hell didn't you put two and two together when you got the rejected checks with the personal messages and when the security crippled guy blew up the hearing with Lex's wheelchair.

Bruce didn't get the rejected checks until right before the guy blew up the place. And I don't think he knew that was Lex's wheelchair. AND the easier connection there was that this guy, being deeply disturbed, chose to blow himself and everybody else there up, not that Lex engineered the whole thing.

Anyway, there's no indication that Lex gives a damn about the threat Superman presents to "humanity." This is an ego thing for him. And then it turned into something even crazier after the Kryptonian Archive.

 

[Schweinehund]

Wonder if Lex will remake Mercy as a android (like YJ), with some of the Kryptonian knowledge he had access to.

I hope Lex is in every Superman movie from now on though, the one interaction they had was great in the movie.

 

[NotoriousPUG]

I thought Man of Steel was better than this. I liked it more when Superman was fighting people on his level, and not being brought down so Batman could compete.

The Doomsday fight didn't have any impact either. As much as people hated it, the idea that people were in danger (and dying) in MoS let it have a little weight. In this movie they went out of their way to say no one's in any real danger (uninhabited island, dock is empty, etc) over and over. It turned into an Avenger style fight where nothing really matters.

I think Superman needed another solo movie rather than this.

 

[Mouse Cop]

If they can even out the pacing, that'll work just fine.

They kind of already showed they can't though.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Wonder if Lex will remake Mercy as a android (like YJ), with some of the Kryptonian knowledge he had access to.

I hope Lex is in every Superman movie from now on though, the one interaction they had was great in the movie.

I'd love it if he just replaced her with another random girl, called her Mercy as well, and she ended up dying in the next film. Make it a recurring thing.

 

[Blader]

They might not spend time talking about it, but compare/contrast Superman's actions before and after fighting Zod. His first reaction to seeing a monster isn't to start swinging, it's to get it the fuck away from there. During the thing with the African warlord, you see a similar impetus. They don't stop and have him discuss how killing Zod changed him, but you can see the effects all the same.

That has nothing to do with killing Zod. If anything it's a reaction to blowing up half of Metropolis last time, and it's a subtler way of addressing that than having news reporters just outright say "Well it's after 5, so thank god the city is completely deserted."

I don't see the link to the African warlord example, which played out really strangely. Why did he bumrush the guy and plow him through several concrete walls? That's something that would have killed him! Why not just use heat vision to make the gun too hot to hold or something.

 

[Poodlestrike]

They kind of already showed they can't though.

Sure they can, they just gotta give their stuff a little more breathing room. This was an improvement over MoS in that regard, just improve again.

That has nothing to do with killing Zod. If anything it's a reaction to blowing up half of Metropolis last time, and it's a subtler way of addressing that than having news reporters just outright say "Well it's after 5, so thank god the city is completely deserted."

I don't see the link to the African warlord example, which played out really strangely. Why did he bumrush the guy and plow him through several concrete walls? That's something that would have killed him! Why not just use heat vision to make the gun too hot to hold or something.

The city being deserted doesn't even factor into his thinking, first off. He takes him straight to space

But the Warlord was him taking another path. There's no sign that his heat vision is precise enough to "just" heat up the gun without taking the guy's hand (and possible head) off with it, so he moved him, like he couldn't move Zod.

Honestly, if that's not doing it for you, that's fair. You wanted more time spent dwelling with that one particular aspect of the fallout. But I think they did a good job overall making the finale to MoS matter in a big way.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

Well, two things.

"The bell has been rung."

He's referring to Superman's death, and possibly the process that turned Zod into Doomsday, attracting the attention and designs of far flung alien threats. We still don't know that he's talking about Darkseid specifically, he clearly saw something in the Kryptonian archives that led to him being even more unhinged than before. That could be Darkseid, but it could be Brainiac. Or Mongul or something, but that's a lot less likely

Anyway, Zod's death led to Superman's death in a direct way here.

Pretty much like The Avengers assembling 'sent a message' to 'every world'. It's a little too similar really. Not that Kevin Feige invented extraterrestrial threat.

 

[JTripper]

Oscar Isaac doing his character from Ex Machina would have been a better Lex.

 

[Blader]

But the Warlord was him taking another path. There's no sign that his heat vision is precise enough to "just" heat up the gun without taking the guy's hand (and possible head) off with it, so he moved him, like he couldn't move Zod.

Huh? It would be the same thing that young Clark did to the janitor's closet doorknob in MoS. Flash of red eyes, metal thing gets super hot, burns the other person's hand.

He could've also flown in right behind the warlord, or grabbed the gun out of his hand -- or just deflected his hand away -- with super speed. There were plenty of other ways he could have defused that situation than pick the one that was most likely to kill him.

 

[Mouse Cop]

Sure they can, they just gotta give their stuff a little more breathing room. This was an improvement over MoS in that regard, just improve again.

Best way to create breathing room is by making whole other movies. This movie would have been a lot better if it didn't focus half of the movie explaining why Batman is so cynical. If there was a Batman film before this, showing that Batman lost faith in men because of the death of Todd and his parents, you could take out a good chunk of this movie and focus on the meat of the problem. If they do Justice League and focus on each character's origin and past and then explain Darkseid, it's going to be messy again.

 

[jmood88]

This Batman and Superman is actually more faithful to their source mateirls then the comics are nowadays, Batman use to carry a Gun for crying out loud, People are just so use to Superman and Batman 3.0 or 4.0 that they forget about 1.0 who was created during a time that was Fucked Up by today's standard. Rich People were jumping out building and the poor were starving in the streets.

From that time period two icons were born. One and all powerful man who fought for the little guy and a rich guy who took on the criminal element by any means necessary if that bad guy happened to die he got what he his just desserts. That why I love Anime so much those heroes do what's necessary. This has been the first time I've liked Batman as a character in ages cause I roll my eyes at his preachy no kill bullshit.

When did we become pussies? Once the thugs Bruce was chasing opened up on him with ordnance no beat cops could deal with FUCK EM. Those dudes were trained killers anyway. No big lose to society.

Ok, Donald.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Huh? It would be the same thing that young Clark did to the janitor's closet doorknob in MoS. Flash of red eyes, metal thing gets super hot, burns the other person's hand.

He could've also flown in right behind the warlord, or grabbed the gun out of his hand -- or just deflected his hand away -- with super speed. There were plenty of other ways he could have defused that situation than pick the one that was most likely to kill him.

Honestly, the only reason I'm even considering (and, I think, that other people are considering) the possibility that the guy's dead is because of the music choice. Otherwise that's a scene straight out of the the animated series

Anyway, the heat vision's hugely more destructive than that in every modern day use.

Best way to create breathing room is by making whole other movies. This movie would have been a lot better if it didn't focus half of the movie explaining why Batman is so cynical. If there was a Batman film before this, showing that Batman lost faith in men because of the death of Todd and his parents, you could take out a good chunk of this movie and focus on the meat of the problem. If they do Justice League and focus on each character's origin and past and then explain Darkseid, it's going to be messy again.

See, that's just it, I disagree. There number of outright unnecessary scenes I can count on maybe a couple of fingers, the number of scenes that were too short I'd need multiple hands. This movie needs to be longer, not shorter.

 

[Mouse Cop]

See, that's just it, I disagree. There number of outright unnecessary scenes I can count on maybe a couple of fingers, the number of scenes that were too short I'd need multiple hands. This movie needs to be longer, not shorter.

I don't disagree with you, most of the scenes needed to be fleshed out more. So how much longer? 45 minutes? Make it 3 hours and 15 minutes in total? That's two movies right there, this movie should have been two movies, not one.

 

[Lokimaru]

Because Batman's gallery of rogues make no sense if he's merrily offing henchmen. And his gallery of rogues are alive, well and largely in prison since Suicide Squad is a thing.

You ever think that he doesn't kill the Joker cause the Joker is immortal and can't Be killed, only contained? Guy fell into a vat of chemicals and didn't die after all.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I don't disagree with you, most of the scenes needed to be fleshed out more. So how much longer? 45 minutes? Make it 3 hours and 15 minutes in total? That's two movies right there, this movie should have been two movies, not one.

I think the director's cut will be enough. 3 hours is long, but not outside of the realm of possibility for stuff like this. The Lord of the Rings was 2:58. Hell, Return of the King was 3:21, 6 minutes longer than your cutoff

 

[PBY]

I don't disagree with you, most of the scenes needed to be fleshed out more. So how much longer? 45 minutes? Make it 3 hours and 15 minutes in total? That's two movies right there, this movie should have been two movies, not one.

Instead of fleshing stuff out, they should have cut out a ton of stuff, and just focus on a narrower story I think.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

See, that's just it, I disagree. There number of outright unnecessary scenes I can count on maybe a couple of fingers, the number of scenes that were too short I'd need multiple hands. This movie needs to be longer, not shorter.

This,
I think i'd cut the middle east framing Superman thing
and i'd cut Lois getting trapped in the water.
(Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg files could have been slimmed to maybe half their time each.)

Everything else should be fine(if Lex was cast better, and Superman less of a wet blanket)

 

[Mouse Cop]

Instead of fleshing stuff out, they should have cut out a ton of stuff, and just focus on a narrower story I think.

I think so too, make that one movie and the extra stuff they're trying to explain in another movie if need be.

 

[Poodlestrike]

This,
I think i'd cut the middle east framing Superman thing
and i'd cut Lois getting trapped in the water.

Everything else should be fine(if Lex was cast better, and Superman less of a wet blanket)

Lois getting trapped I'd definitely cut. I'd have her get the spear without needing help. Woman spends too much time as a victim.

For Superman getting framed, there needs to be a scene that lays out exactly why people think he's responsible. I think it's about the order of events getting confused, that his presence prompted the firefight which led to the power vacuum, rather than it happening before he showed up, but I'm not sure. Just kinda rolled with it, but they should really lay that out.

 

[Mouse Cop]

I think the director's cut will be enough. 3 hours is long, but not outside of the realm of possibility for stuff like this. The Lord of the Rings was 2:58. Hell, Return of the King was 3:21, 6 minutes longer than your cutoff

Those movies all tell one cohesive story though. Every little piece of side story plays into the larger part of the film, a lot of this movie felt unnecessary to the real plot.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

I think the director's cut will be enough. 3 hours is long, but not outside of the realm of possibility for stuff like this. The Lord of the Rings was 2:58. Hell, Return of the King was 3:21, 6 minutes longer than your cutoff

But I mean the LOTR films were good films made great by the EEs. Not the same thing really.

 

[Nathan_Drake]

Honestly, for me the most egregious mistake of this whole situation is the trailer around Super Bowl. It literally spoiled the movie and ruined any suspense throughout. There was no concern when anything happened because we saw all 3 fighting together in the preview. Superman got nuked and looks all Bizarro?! No worries. Seriously a horrible idea and I guess they felt the same way since they tried to put the genie back in the bottle and not show that anymore. Horrible idea for that preview.

Also felt like they just took big story arcs like some Miller Dark Knight and Death of Supes and made segments of them. Then they put them together with horrible or nonexistent transitions. It made the movie feel so disjointed.

It felt like the Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman intro was just a shitty JL preview they stuck in the middle of the film. They can just snip that piece and air it on tv for a preview and it would feel normal.

Watching Batman wax the floor with Supes is alwaya worth my time and money. Batffleck was good. Beat Bruce Wayne. Wonder Woman was pretty good.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Those movies all tell one cohesive story though. Every little piece of side story plays into the larger part of the film, a lot of this movie felt unnecessary to the real plot.

That kind of depends on how you define the "real" plot, doesn't it?

But I mean the LOTR films were good films made great by the EEs. Not the same thing really.

Those are their theatrical lengths, I think

My point was that the movie could have been longer without breaking the world.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Will this be like a pop-corn flick for me? Can i just sit there, not really pay attention and enjoy the scenes/action? There is a lot of action right? I've read some of the spoilers and the ending seems kind of the deep end for batman.

some other spoilers sound like this movie is setting up that batman is learning there have been aliens like superman amoung us the whole time - (aquaman/ww) or are they not protrayed as aliens? IDK. i was going to watch the movie in theaters but after the reception. i just kind of want to wait until the blu-ray comes out.....

 

[Blader]

Lois getting trapped I'd definitely cut. I'd have her get the spear without needing help. Woman spends too much time as a victim.

For Superman getting framed, there needs to be a scene that lays out exactly why people think he's responsible. I think it's about the order of events getting confused, that his presence prompted the firefight which led to the power vacuum, rather than it happening before he showed up, but I'm not sure. Just kinda rolled with it, but they should really lay that out.

I'm still not sure why they didn't just lean on the Metropolis devastation more, rather than invent a flimsy new incident to blame Superman on. At least with the Metropolis angle, that actually is something Superman is partly responsible for and actually did result in innocent people being hurt or killed.

Agreed about the Lois thing, that was really contrived. My audience actually laughed at her going to retrieve the spear after she had just chucked it into the water 10 mins earlier.

 

[Bishop89]

so ive always known about the

Spoiler

"evil" / psycho supes storyline after losing a loved one

, i loved seeing it in the dream sequence.

Who exactly was the person who gave Bruce the message.

I thought it was

Spoiler

flash, as he can sort of manipulate time in a sense, but i couldnt make it out exactly, and cause the person had armor or something

 

[Poodlestrike]

Will this be like a pop-corn flick for me? Can i just sit there, not really pay attention and enjoy the scenes/action? There is a lot of action right? I've read some of the spoilers and the ending seems kind of the deep end for batman.

some other spoilers sound like this movie is setting up that batman is learning there have been aliens like superman amoung us the whole time - (aquaman/ww) or are they not protrayed as aliens? IDK. i was going to watch the movie in theaters but after the reception. i just kind of want to wait until the blu-ray comes out.....

Naw, you're doomed. This is a movie you need to pay attention to to enjoy.

I'm still not sure why they didn't just lean on the Metropolis devastation more, rather than invent a flimsy new incident to blame Superman on. At least with the Metropolis angle, that actually is something Superman is partly responsible for and actually did result in innocent people being hurt or killed.

Agreed about the Lois thing, that was really contrived. My audience actually laughed at her going to retrieve the spear after she had just chucked it into the water 10 mins earlier.

I think it's clear they wanted to do a thing about Superman's role in the world moving forward, rather than condemning him for something that happened in the past. His further implications for geopolitics. Metropolis fight doesn't really work for that.

And Lois, yeah, that was kinda dumb.

 

[Mouse Cop]

That kind of depends on how you define the "real" plot, doesn't it?

I mean, I could be wrong in my understanding of it. I pretty much thought the main plot was that Superman is godlike man and the world isn't convinced he's good. Batman thinks he's a threat to society, but it ends up being that Superman is the most human person of all. Teaching Bruce a lesson that there are still good men left in the world. That's what I got from it.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Lois getting trapped I'd definitely cut. I'd have her get the spear without needing help. Woman spends too much time as a victim.

For Superman getting framed, there needs to be a scene that lays out exactly why people think he's responsible. I think it's about the order of events getting confused, that his presence prompted the firefight which led to the power vacuum, rather than it happening before he showed up, but I'm not sure. Just kinda rolled with it, but they should really lay that out.

Also give me a scene where I connect and care about Clark Kent the man.

It just seemed like all the scenes of him, was just reacting to everything going on, instead of just being. Show me who this guy, show me a person, not just a vehicle to move the plot along.

Can he crack a smile once.

there's a reason why people love goofy Clark. He atlas has a personality and being clumsy and trying to get the girl of your dreams is something we can all relate to.

 

[Blader]

Will this be like a pop-corn flick for me? Can i just sit there, not really pay attention and enjoy the scenes/action? There is a lot of action right? I've read some of the spoilers and the ending seems kind of the deep end for batman.

There actually isn't that much action. Or at least it feels like there's much less action compared to MoS. The fighting doesn't start til about 1hour30mins in, the Batman/Superman fight itself isn't long and the final battle is a bit of a clusterfuck. Honestly the best looking and clearest fight in the movie is Batman taking out Lex's goons in the warehouse, a lot of which was already shown in the trailer.

As far as paying attention goes, the movie simultaneously demands you pay attention to everything that is happening while also doing very little to connect its own plots together.

some other spoilers sound like this movie is setting up that batman is learning there have been aliens like superman amoung us the whole time - (aquaman/ww) or are they not protrayed as aliens? IDK. i was going to watch the movie in theaters but after the reception. i just kind of want to wait until the blu-ray comes out.....

Not aliens, just metahumans.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I mean, I could be wrong in my understanding of it. I pretty much thought the main plot was that Superman is godlike man and the world isn't convinced he's good. Batman thinks he's a threat to society, but it ends up being that Superman is the most human person of all. Teaching Bruce a lesson that there are still good men left in the world. That's what I got from it.

See, I agree, but I think that most everything that happened was in service to that. Idk.

Also give me a scene where I connect and care about Clark Kent the man.

It just seemed like all the scenes of him, was just reacting to everything going on, instead of just being. Show me who this guy, show me a person, not just a vehicle to move the plot along.

Spending a little more time with Clark Kent would've been nice, yeah. I do like the bit at the party where he stops pursuing Bruce to save people. They should've dwelled on that a bit more.