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[Poodlestrike]

See, that's the thing... I don't think Lex's motivation was originally to get them to fight. But because Bats stole the kryptonite, he shifted his plan towards that. I guess? I don't really know. His entire plan was one of the most needlessly complicated things I've ever seen in a movie.

I think his plan A was to use Batman to kill Superman. Ideally. Most of his obfuscation is about fooling Batman. He set up the "rejected" checks to manipulate both Gary and Bruce, push them both over the edge, with the final coup de grace being the "you let your family die" message to push Bruce into the outright assault needed to steal the kryptonite.

But I'm pretty sure that he would've been okay with Bruce not stealing it. Again, that's plan A. Plan B is just killing Superman himself with the kryptonite.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I don't care how old he is, just give me his kids. And don't turn any of them into the Joker.

I think Ben Affleck can pull off Batdad. Just give him the chance!

Wanting Cass(among the others) asap is a given for me but man after Alfred's line about the Waynes in this i'd kill to see Helena and Damian Wayne.
Heck go all out with a Cass Wayne, Damian Wayne and Helena Wayne sibling rivalry.

 

[Glass Shark]

From the way he goes full Renfield in his final scene, I was wondering if we were supposed to think he was working for Darkseid the whole time.

This is the big problem for me ultimately... there are so many different interpretations of what Luthor's motivations were. Many of them would be acceptable if they were made clearer, but the fact that so many people read so many different things into it is great evidence that they were muddy.

 

[dragonyeuw]

I cannot believe the Batman vs gang brawl they showed in the trailer is actually the finale of this movie, Batman-wise. I mean, I seriously expected it to be the intro to Batman. You know, just him fucking up some gang.

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I was thinking the same, that it was the movie's intro to Batman, to show us that this partiucluarly brutal version of the character can be a legit threat to Supes with the proper preparation and assets at this disposal. This is also what I hate about trailers, the film had enough hype and didnt need further selling by dropping that scene into the final trailer. Would have been awesome to have seen that for the first time in the movie.

Overall a very mixed bag with some enjoyable moments, pacing and editing were definitely a weakness as has been said numerous times already. For my money Affleck is the best Batman I've seen in live action, in terms of playing both Bats and Wayne. I also loved his fight style ripped right out of the arkham games. Wonder woman was very good in her limited role, I loved the scene where she got knocked down, smiled and returned the favor to Doomsday, awesome. I'm still not sold on this version of Luther, but that wasn't the worst part of the film. The ending of the batman/supes fight was written as if they couldn't think of a better way for the characters to resolve their differences.

For me, they really fucked up killing Superman as well as the aftermath. Within this universe, Supes hasn't been around long enough and is still quite clearly a divisive figure, for the world to react to his death as they did which clearly drew inspiration from the funeral for a friend comic line( or whatever it was called, its been a while). And now that you've killed Supes, what can you do now? Obviously he is coming back, so what can you possibly do to raise the stakes at this point? A death of that magnitude needs to be earned, as well as the global mourning scenes, and within the context of this film and universe we are far away from that point.

 

[Pau]

Wanting Cass(among the others is a given for me) asap is a given for me but man after Alfred's line about the Waynes in this i'd kill to see Helena and Damian Wayne.

The other kids still count as Waynes!

Poor movie Alfred. If only he knew how many children Bruce has in the comics.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Batman's question to Alfred about how many good guys are left and how many of them stayed that way definitely adds credence to the rumor that the Joker was probably Robin.

Also, why the FUCK did they not include the action sequence where Batman breaks into Lexcorp. There were so many more things worth cutting in the film, and that scene should not have been one of them.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Batman's question to Alfred about how many good guys are left and how many of them stayed that way definitely adds credence to the rumor that the Joker was probably Robin.

Also, why the FUCK did they not include the action sequence where Batman breaks into Lexcorp. There were so many more things worth cutting in the film, and that scene should not have been one of them.

I like that scene as being left to the imagination, but yeah, it seems like it would've been super cool to watch as well.

And considering how many people in the comics end up "falling," it could be anyone. Doesn't have to be Jason Todd turning into Joker, he could be talking about Two Face, for instance.

 

[Glass Shark]

Batman's question to Alfred about how many good guys are left and how many of them stayed that way definitely adds credence to the rumor that the Joker was probably Robin.

Also, why the FUCK did they not include the action sequence where Batman breaks into Lexcorp. There were so many more things worth cutting in the film, and that scene should not have been one of them.

Because this is ostensibly a Man of Steel sequel and putting too much Batman in it further proves that Snyder and company don't know what to do with this horrid interpretation of Superman that they've cooked up.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

This is the big problem for me ultimately... there are so many different interpretations of what Luthor's motivations were. Many of them would be acceptable if they were made clearer, but the fact that so many people read so many different things into it is great evidence that they were muddy.

How was it even that muddy though? He goes on a tirade about how it's impossible for there to be a being that's all powerful and all good, and he's shown that he hates being wrong (as indicated by how he reacts with messing up his own speech).

Therefore Superman forces his ego to be in conflict with reality.

It's literally all said out loud. It's not that hard to follow. :/

 

[Liquid_015]

What I don't get is how can Doomsday pierce Superman with his horn so easily, when Doomsday hasn't been exposed/adapted to kryptonite?

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Luthor didn't stop the monthly payments, he intercepted them, sent them back. He took advantage of the guy's actions, knowing that he'd eventually snap in some public way, the exact fashion didn't really matter. And once he did publicly snap, he turned him into an icon of anti-Superman sentiment as a way to get him an invite to the hearing.

As for how he knew Batman was Bruce, and why he did what he did, I dunno. I don't think they actually laid it out. It's clear that his big thing is dragging down Superman.

That was Luthor that fucked up the dude's mind with the checks? I must have missed it.

 

[Pau]

What I don't get is how can Doomsday pierce Superman with his horn so easily, when Doomsday hasn't been exposed/adapted to kryptonite?

Clark was being severely weakened by the kryptonite he was holding.

 

[Poodlestrike]

That was Luthor that fucked up the dude's mind?

Yeah. During the confrontation with Superman, he mentions that after Metropolis Bruce only needed a little bit of pushing, and that he helped him along.

 

[Alienous]

I can't believe how little Zack gets Batman. Dude is the Punisher. The two things that caused Batman, a gun and killing when his parents were murdered, two things he swears against are two things this character has no problem with. It isn't even a dilemma for him.

He blows people up. What? Clooney's Batman was truer to the character.

 

[BronsonLee]

Pretty sure the point of this film was so that the Knightmare doesn't happen.

Naw. If anything, the Knightmare reminds me more of that arc from the animated series where he gets coopted by Darkseid, albeit here with a Freudian excuse. No way they're doing Injustice.P

Flash is literally screaming about Lois the whole damn time, guys

Someone's gonna target her, they're leaning way into Superman flipping his shit if she gets harmed in any way. Knightmare Supes even mentions it before he gives Batman the ol' Reverse Flash knifehand

Would not be surprised if the movie with Injustice is a Cloud Atlas style affair, with the future and the past happening in the film at the same time, with Lois being dead in the future and then the Flash warning saving Lois in the present timeline.

Kind of like a Days of Future Past style story.

That'd be fun. Or parallel timeline it.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

So what WAS Lex Luthor's motivation, ultimately?

All good and all powerful. It's hate stemming from his father's abuse which is why turning the photo is significant in two ways. Should have been fleshed out a bit more. Loads of editing errors in this movie.

I can't believe how little Zack gets Batman. Dude is the Punisher. The two things that caused Batman, a gun and killing when his parents were murdered, two things he swears against are two things this character has no problem with. It isn't even a dilemma for him.

He blows people up. What? Clooney's Batman was truer to the character.

This isn't the first iteration of Batman to use a gun or "kill". Read up on his comics or watch his other movies. Do you think guns on his batmobile aren't guns because he's not holding him with his hands?

 

[SolidChamp]

Yeah, literally the worst things about this movie were Doomsday and the death of Superman angle.

You. Just. Didn't. Need. It.

Having Lex try and play Supes and Batman off of each other could have been far more brilliant than it was; fantastic idea, sloppy execution.

 

[Pau]

Flash is literally screaming about Lois the whole damn time, guys

Someone's gonna target her, they're leaning way into Superman flipping his shit if she gets harmed in any way. Knightmare Supes even mentions it before he gives Batman the ol' Reverse Flash knifehand



That'd be fun. Or parallel timeline it.

I honestly didn't understand a word Flash was saying.

I really don't think they'll go that route. It'd suck if they did.

 

[Sean C]

Yeah, literally the worst things about this movie were Doomsday and the death of Superman angle.

You. Just. Didn't. Need. It.

Having Lex try and play Supes and Batman off of each other could have been far more brilliant than it was; fantastic idea, sloppy execution.

The biggest problems with trying to adapt the Death of Superman story are:

(a) Doomsday is a boring villain;
(b) Superman's coming back to life has not been remotely satisfying in any telling of it.

 

[SolidChamp]

I can't believe how little Zack gets Batman. Dude is the Punisher. The two things that caused Batman, a gun and killing when his parents were murdered, two things he swears against are two things this character has no problem with. It isn't even a dilemma for him.

He blows people up. What? Clooney's Batman was truer to the character.

That was the shit that I loved because it was so hilariously uncharacteristic; it was gleeful, wanton destruction because, fuck it, I'm Batman. I got a good laugh and was entertained by it. It worked for me, even though it shouldn't have.

I felt like that was Snyder giving the middle finger to fans who were so pissed over the MoS thing...he totally doubled down on tossing the character's moral principles out the window.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

The other kids still count as Waynes!

Oh I agree,
Im just saying as named Wayne. The others while 100% Bruce's kids and part of his family still carry their own names and families.
As Alfred was referring to generation of Waynes
Damian and Helena have the Wayne name and would solely carry that(though I always felt Cass would have 100% become Wayne and fit if DC editorial didn't sabotage her.)


It would be interesting to see them two together though in the same universe considering their mothers, Damian's ego, etc

Dick & Jason are a complete given as coming, sadly I think Tim gets thrown under the bus.
Barbara is a given and think Cass has a chance at worst for diversity sake.

 

[Glass Shark]

How was it even that muddy though? He goes on a tirade about how it's impossible for there to be a being that's all powerful and all good, and he's shown that he hates being wrong (as indicated by how he reacts with messing up his own speech).

Therefore Superman forces his ego to be in conflict with reality.

It's literally all said out loud. It's not that hard to follow. :/

That part is clear. But how he wanted to accomplish it was not. To me, it seemed like he had reached the conclusion of his plan at the hearing, humiliating Superman and making him look powerless and possibly evil in the eyes of the public. So then what's the point of making him fight Batman, something that the public will likely never find out about?

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Yeah, literally the worst things about this movie were Doomsday and the death of Superman angle.

You. Just. Didn't. Need. It.

Having Lex try and play Supes and Batman off of each other could have been far more brilliant than it was; fantastic idea, sloppy execution.

The pitch for this movie, the one paragraph abstract, is legit fantastic. Conceptually, I could see why everyone involved would think it's going to work.

However, the actual screenplay and editing fell horribly flat, from beginning to end. All the major lines and story beats were in the trailers, too, which made matters worse.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

The biggest problems with trying to adapt the Death of Superman story are:

(a) Doomsday is a boring villain;
(b) Superman's coming back to life has not been remotely satisfying in any telling of it.

You gotta have a big bad powerful monster so Wonder Woman can show up and the movie can have it's Avenger moment. Without Doomsday they can't really show off Wonder Woman in her costume.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

This isn't the first iteration of Batman to use a gun or "kill". Read up on his comics or watch his other movies. Do you think guns on his batmobile aren't guns because he's not holding him with his hands?

We were hoping they would at least get Batman "right" this time.

Any version of Batman killing is the wrong version. I was gonna give them a chance with Superman neck snap, but they didn't bring it up at all so the payoff for that was also disappointing.

Guess it's easier to kill then to come up with a brilliant alternative to get out of a no-win situation.

 

[Tabby]

Yeah, literally the worst things about this movie were Doomsday and the death of Superman angle.

You. Just. Didn't. Need. It.

Having Lex try and play Supes and Batman off of each other could have been far more brilliant than it was; fantastic idea, sloppy execution.

I knew they were going to go down the Death of Superman alley but it should not have been done this early. We don't deserve it at all.

It should have been done in the 2nd or 3rd MOS solo movie when all the other heroes have come out, the Justice League has been established and Superman is actually Superman.
The world mourns at the hero that brought them all together, all the heroes pay their respects.

This death feels hollow because it's never earned, and let's be real here no one actually thought he was dead.

 

[Blader]

I feel like Superman's death/resurrection and Flash's warning/the Knightmare sequence really confuse each other.

The Knightmare and Flash cameo is all about reaffirming Bruce that his worst fears about Superman were right -- and that, after something bad happened to Lois, Superman snapped and plunged the world into a post-apocalyptic setting that he seems to lord over.

But then the end of the movie happens, where Superman sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday, opening Bruce's eyes to both Superman's heroism and the need to create the Justice League in his absence. And the last shot teases Superman coming back to life.

So is Justice League then going to bring Superman back, put the team together for the first time, but then also turn him bad by killing Lois and reaffirming everything Bruce feared about him at the start of this movie? Doesn't that essentially undo the ending lesson of this movie and the whole build-the-team dynamic of Justice League if Superman is just going to be shittier than ever?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

We were hoping they would at least get Batman "right" this time.

Any version of Batman killing is the wrong version.

Then you know zero about the Batman character. The best part about Batman vs Superman isn't in the movie, it's "fans" of Batman who are now facing the fact that Batman has never obeyed the no killing rule. There's been many examples shown on this site and else where that illustrate this. It's interesting to see the resistance on this.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

So is Justice League then going to bring Superman back, put the team together for the first time, but then also turn him bad by killing Lois and reaffirming everything Bruce feared about him at the start of this movie? Doesn't that essentially undo the ending lesson of this movie and the whole build-the-team dynamic of Justice League if Superman is just going to be shittier than ever?

I assumed it was a glimpse at an alternate timeline where Lois did die and Supes went the Injustice route, not that it'll actually happen.

 

[SolidChamp]

I knew they were going to go down the Death of Superman alley but it should not have been done this early. We don't deserve it at all.

It should have been done in the 2nd or 3rd MOS solo movie when all the other heroes have come out, the Justice League has been established and Superman is actually Superman.
The world mourns at the hero that brought them all together, all the heroes pay their respects.

This death feels hollow because it's never earned, and let's be real here no one actually thought he was dead.

All of this is totally on point.

That was a horribly misguided thing to do. I can't fucking believe they squandered something that could have been monumental on screen.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

They really should have shown Bruce sleeping at his desk before cutting the the Knightmare scene. It felt so abrupt and random.

 

[BronsonLee]

They really should have shown Bruce sleeping at his desk before cutting the the Knightmare scene. It felt so abrupt and random.

He was taking a Batnap!

 

[thecouncil]

What was with Batman clinging to the corner of the room and then scurrying along the wall to escape during that first horror-like police scene? Like, how did he do that?

 

[Alienous]

The Injustice thing was cool. I actually forgot about it. I liked Batman killing in that sequence - it really gave a "This is the fucked up future" feeling.

Then he kills in the present anyway.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Then you know zero about the Batman character. The best part about Batman vs Superman isn't in the movie, it's "fans" of Batman who are now facing the fact that Batman has never obeyed the no killing rule. There's been many examples shown on this site and else where that illustrate this. It's interesting to see the resistance on this.

Sorry, let me rephrase

Batman killing should be a major event. Something he had to dwell on or something he couldn't control or was forced to do.
...Not something he does casually, because some obstacles are in his way.

Batman kills in the Dark Knight Returns, but that doesnt mean that gives him a free pass to do it in his prime. Either way the "joker kill" was earned and it had more weight to it, because of their history. If Batman kills it should be for reasons other than getting thru cannon fodder.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

Then you know zero about the Batman character. The best part about Batman vs Superman isn't in the movie, it's "fans" of Batman who are now facing the fact that Batman has never obeyed the no killing rule. There's been many examples shown on this site and else where that illustrate this. It's interesting to see the resistance on this.

Dude, no. It's never been a hard absolute either way, but Batman, the most common and popular interpretation of him, does not use guns as a primary weapon and does not kill liberally.

I get that this version is a bitter, more brutal version. But, he absolutely murdered dozens of people in this movie for of them for no reason. When he straight up stabbed the guy with the knife, I fully expected him to shank him to death.

This was not Batman, even in the most liberal of interpretations of him.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I don't want to see more of this shitty murderous Batman on screen, truly.

Easily fixed if needed.

1. Pre-MoS = absolutely never kills
2. Flash warns a 20 something Bruce about Gotham getting worse thanks to killing post MoS, thus reinforcing his established rule even further going forwards
or
3. Superman's death snaps him back

 

[Subpar Spatula]

What was with Batman clinging to the corner of the room and then scurrying along the wall to escape during that first horror-like police scene? Like, how did he do that?

He's Batman. How did he throw all those explosives on the goons guns in the warehouse? If you want Batman you have to accept he can do some pretty weird athletic feats.

Dude, no. It's never been a hard absolute either way, but Batman, the most common and popular interpretation of him, does not use guns as a primary weapon and does not kill liberally.

I get that this version is a bitter, more brutal version. But, he absolutely murdered dozens of people in this movie for of them for no reason. When he straight up stabbed the guy with the knife, I fully expected him to shank him to death.

This was not Batman, even in the most liberal of interpretations of him.

Your Batman doesn't exist, just in your mind. He's always been collateral damage. The difference between comics and animated tv shows is they're not as graphic as live action. You're just coming to understand this: when people are punched, have sharp things thrown at them, etc. they're going to bleed and break.

 

[Poodlestrike]

The Injustice thing was cool. I actually forgot about it. I liked Batman killing in that sequence - it really gave a "This is the fucked up future" feeling.

Then he kills in the present anyway.

Batman's present is a fucked up future of most versions of the character

He's pretty far gone by the time this movie rolls around.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

The more I think about it, the more I want a fanedit of this movie.

 

[WarMacheen]

HOLY sh*t what a movie.

Stays true to the comics unlike any other DC movie so far.

-Doomsday grows horns
-Death of Superman story line
-Flash time travel
-Injustice story line hinted
-AQUAMANNNN
-Dark Sied is coming
-Batman is bad a*s


Some things which are confusing/misunderstood by many and my interpretations for thesame:

1. That wasn't entirely a dream sequence. It was a nod to Injustice Storyline. In fact, the entire "dream sequence" was probably a future vision OR an alternate universe, where Superman becomes a tyrant after Lois is killed by Joker, and Superman blames Batman for it because he never killed Joker when he had a chance. Since they showed Parademons working with Superman's forces, it seems it was kind of a vision.

2. That guy warning Bruce, was actually Flash (Ezra Miller), from the future using Speedforce. It seems he went back too far by mistake i.e. before formation of Justice League, and hence Bruce doesn't know him. That's why he says: "Too soon Bruce, too soon?" Also he says Lois is the key, again the nod to point 1.

3. Superman dying is PERFECT. That is Death of Superman storyline. Doomsday kills Superman in comics. Its then revealed that Superman never died, his heart beat became so slow that everyone presumed he was dead. By slow I mean, one heart beat in weeks (or was it months???)

4. In the end when Lex says Devil is coming, and those in the stars know that god (Superman) is dead, he means that Darsied is coming. It seems all this was planned by Darksied, to systematically take out Superman before he can invade earth.

5. Batman killing is OKAY. This is TDKR version of Batman, not that pansy Nolan Batman

Just watched it, I agree with your points, it's not a 10/10 movie but it's pretty good I think.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

What was with Batman clinging to the corner of the room and then scurrying along the wall to escape during that first horror-like police scene? Like, how did he do that?

Probably has retractable claws in his gloves.

 

[HappyBivouac]

Just saw this today. The entire buildup of the conflict was absurd. Two superhero dudes going "oh gosh he might be a bad guy" without looking in the mirror. The references to "all the deaths;" was that just the stuff in Africa? Were there other incidents? And then all that gets thrown out like we're supposed to forget that entire question because oh hey supes was set up and hey actually they're all completely 100% good guys and they're gonna save the day.

The entire premise was incredibly frustrating. Batman, this guy who is supposed to be incredibly smart and a pro at reading between the lines, has a grudge against Superman because of some sensationalist reporting? And Superman wanted to keep Batman in his place because... reasons?

I'm not exactly a big fan of comic book films most of the time, but they can be fun. This was just awkward and frustrating for me, personally. Maybe I missed something that could be explained to me?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

When Aquaman appeared it looked incredibly off. Must have been the camera and the hair as it waved in the water. Looked like a man holding his breath swimming in a pool.

 

[thecouncil]

He's Batman. How did he throw all those explosives on the goons guns in the warehouse? If you want Batman you have to accept he can do some pretty weird athletic feats.

Yeah, but I don't think moving horizontally along a ceiling is an athletic feat. I'm not saying it wasn't cool. I was just wondering how it was possibly explained. If the explanation is "he's batman" then I guess I just shrug and accept that. Haha.

When Aquaman appeared it looked incredibly off. Must have been the camera and the hair as it waved in the water. Looked like a man holding his breath swimming in a pool.

Well, to be fair,... it was.

 

[Kinyou]

I feel like Superman's death/resurrection and Flash's warning/the Knightmare sequence really confuse each other.

The Knightmare and Flash cameo is all about reaffirming Bruce that his worst fears about Superman were right -- and that, after something bad happened to Lois, Superman snapped and plunged the world into a post-apocalyptic setting that he seems to lord over.

But then the end of the movie happens, where Superman sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday, opening Bruce's eyes to both Superman's heroism and the need to create the Justice League in his absence. And the last shot teases Superman coming back to life.

So is Justice League then going to bring Superman back, put the team together for the first time, but then also turn him bad by killing Lois and reaffirming everything Bruce feared about him at the start of this movie? Doesn't that essentially undo the ending lesson of this movie and the whole build-the-team dynamic of Justice League if Superman is just going to be shittier than ever?

Yeah, I'm not really sure about this either. Is the horrible future already thwarted? Will it happen? I have no clue.

When Aquaman appeared it looked incredibly off. Must have been the camera and the hair as it waved in the water. Looked like a man holding his breath swimming in a pool.

The actor looked really uncomfortable to me. I'm not sure why they didn't use some CGI tricks. Like superimposing the actors normal face over his underwater body. Afaik did they do some zero G scenes in "The fountain" that way.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Just saw this today. The entire buildup of the conflict was absurd. Two superhero dudes going "oh gosh he might be a bad guy" without looking in the mirror. The references to "all the deaths;" was that just the stuff in Africa? Were there other incidents? And then all that gets thrown out like we're supposed to forget that entire question because oh hey supes was set up and hey actually they're all completely 100% good guys and they're gonna save the day.

The entire premise was incredibly frustrating. Batman, this guy who is supposed to be incredibly smart and a pro at reading between the lines, has a grudge against Superman because of some sensationalist reporting? And Superman wanted to keep Batman in his place because... reasons?

The destruction of Wayne Enterprises' building in Metropolis during Man of Steel was a pretty big deal to Bruce as well. Clark's reasoning makes less sense, to me at least.

 

[Major Gripex]

I like the movie but I had major problems with it as a fan. One of them being the fact that Lex Luthor knows the identity of Clark Kent. Why? Snyder really messed up in allowing the whole world to know Superman's identity. Zack literally killed Superman. There goes the chance of any sequel solo spin-off. The sad part is that the movie had so many great elements that if they would just step back and focused on a couple of them it would have been a lot better off. Really, they should have just focused the Batman v Superman angle instead of trying to set up Justice League but I guess for that you have to blame the studio for trying to rush Justice League.

 

[Nafai1123]

We were hoping they would at least get Batman "right" this time.

Any version of Batman killing is the wrong version. I was gonna give them a chance with Superman neck snap, but they didn't bring it up at all so the payoff for that was also disappointing.

Guess it's easier to kill then to come up with a brilliant alternative to get out of a no-win situation.

See, I thought the entire point of portraying the characters this way was to show that there ISN'T always a brilliant alternative to get out of a no-win situation, and honestly I enjoyed that aspect of it. I've seen enough superhero flicks where they miraculously solve all their problems in some unbelievable way and honestly it's worn out.

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

Did it explain anything about why lex hates supes or wants batmans head?