Heck, they even fucked up Batman and Superman learning each other's identities. That's usually a cool moment in most depictions, yet I guess Superman overheard Bruce talking as Batman and Batman doesn't know until the end? Or knew at the party? I don't know, it's hard to keep track of what happened.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Jack Remington
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This is true.
It made more sense to save Kryptonite for last in the comic, because the armor suit was powerful enough to throw some punches.
Here it seemed like the armor literally was just armor. No strength amplification or anything. Felt kind of ripped off by that.
Poodlestrike
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Well, that's a bummer.
Who says he isn't trying? He slams batman through brick walls as soon as he gets his power back.
Why not just fly really high into the air and yell to batman what a dipshit he's being with his super voice?
It sounds like he figured it out after Superman already died. It was just dumb.
Poodlestrike
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He knocks him through a whole bunch of them on the way to the roof, clearly he knows that won't kill him.
What is Snyder's obsession with killing Superman's supporting cast? Killed Professor Hamilton off-screen in Man of Steel, killed Jimmy and Mercy (and technically Clark) in this. Lois and Perry better watch their backs in this universe.
Reminds me of how the pre-Nolan Batman movies played it really fast and loose with Batman's extensive supporting cast.
Reminds me of how the pre-Nolan Batman movies played it really fast and loose with Batman's extensive supporting cast.
Ah yes, the heroic virtuous acts of someone who isn't willing to be turned into a pawn for selfish reasons. "I'm not going to kill this guy, just slam him through brick walls because humans can totally take that, right? right?"
E the Shaggy
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I guess technically that could still just be his CIA undercover name?
Snyder is the greatest troll since George Lucas
Poodlestrike
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You are now criticizing Superman for having an in-universe accurate understanding of what the human body can and cannot withstand.
The real reason they wouldn't use Bryan Cranston (Breaking Bad spoilers)
he's already used a wheelchair bomb to take out his enemy before.
Eisenberg must've had a really boring childhood. Explains a lot about his personality off-screen.
How, precisely, is knocking a dude around any better? All it took was one very human motivation to get this dude to go beat up batman. How is that not validation of batman's fears that the guy is dangerous?
That's not real. That's not a real quote. No, no! Goddamnit, NO!
Wait, so he wanted to surprise audiences by casting Jimmy with a known actor and then kill him off right at the start...but abandoned the first part of that idea and still kill him? All without establishing who he even is, so there isn't even any shock value to it?
What the fuck is going on
Lois is as good as dead. Probably in the next movie. That's how Superman loses it and turns evil like in Batman's dream.
How the hell could he possibly know? Even if he has somehow an accurate assessment of what the human body can and can't withstand, he's wearing a body suit that he has never seen before. How would he know what it can and cannot take?
Further - superman literally announces that he's willing to kill batman before the fight.
And the fight itself happening is proof that his power can be used for petty, selfish human reasons. The fact that they fight period is validation of batman's fears. Learning that the dude has a mother does nothing to quell them.
X-ray vision?
So I saw this movie earlier today and I can't see beyond the hate. There's so much wrong with this film that it eclipses everything that was remotely worth praising.
Seriously, the scene with Diana looking at teaser trailers for Cyborg, Flash & Aquaman was even more blatant and offensive than the Sinister Six basement scene in Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Seriously, the scene with Diana looking at teaser trailers for Cyborg, Flash & Aquaman was even more blatant and offensive than the Sinister Six basement scene in Amazing Spider-Man 2.
FlashbladeGAF
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In his defense, he isn't wearing Batman's armor, so it's safe to assume he's a pancake after going thru multiple ways at the speed and force Superman made contact with him and the wall
Smokey_Run
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I thought he could have done with less: the trap Supes steps on is what covers him in a cloud of kryptonite gas. Batman picks up the spear and stabs him. Then we wouldn't have a fight, but when it was over it seemed so clear how badly thought out his plan actually was.
If they seriously turn Injustice into a movie...
BlackGhost
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Lmao wtf? What is the context of these? Why is he saying these things lol
FlashbladeGAF
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LOL, I would have been fine with that than what we got.
Would have shown that Batman is smart enough to know that he can't go up against a Super Saiyan head on.
broncobuster
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Who knows. His tracking device could be a nod to comic Jimmy as well.
I said it pages ago, I'm not usually bothered by the grimmer take on the universe. Executing Jimmy Olson is a step too far for me. Had it been in the Knightmare, sure. Flashpoint has some dark twists on characters.
Hey now, he can see through anything except lead. Don't see why he couldn't have assessed the suit with that if it wasn't lined with lead (for some reason). Of course, the movie didn't show any of this.
That's why I say that Batman is characterized by his sadism and that doesn't disappear even with the "We both have mummies!!!" revelation.
Batman went out of his way to drag the fight out just so he could verbally berate him and physically hurt Superman before slowly dragging him out to the kill area and ending him with an almost ritualistic murder.
The movie is badly written in a lot of ways, but I don't think that this is logical error in Batman's plan the writer missed. I think this is just who their batman is. He is out to inflict as much pain as he can out of fear of the alien. Because if this was just about ensuring the safety of the world, Batman would end it just as you described, quick and easy, but he wanted Superman to suffer.
It's just gross.
Dude, just because you can visually see something doesn't mean you can accurately assess it's stress resistance at a glance. To do that, you need to assume Superman also has a degree in mechanical engineering on top of his powers.
illmatic22
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Damn, Jimmy and Mercy got the shaft.
And smoke, apparently. Batman throws smoke around and Superman is totally mystified.
Smokey_Run
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I'm not the biggest fan of what they did with Lex, but hearing that they were talking to Cranston about the part and went with Jesse.. kinda pisses me off. I'm a big fan of Cranston's work and it goes beyond just 'Oh, he was bald on Breaking Bad."
Holy shoot, I forget about that lol.
No, yeah, totally.
My threshold for bullshit is bigger and that's fine. Maybe I'm dumb. That's fine too!
FlashbladeGAF
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Like someone mentioned earlier, I wish he had a real conversation with someone rather than shoehorning in a philosophical quote every 5 seconds.
roflwaffles
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I don't have a problem with Batman killing, but they somehow need to justify why Joker is still alive now.
Zack Snyder has a weird definition of 'having fun with a character'.
Joker probably just got away...
I just want Suicide Squad to be as far removed from BvS as possible.
Smokey_Run
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I still think the Alfred scene where he drops the paper in front of Bruce does a shitty job of explaining that Bruce/Batman has grown a lot more violent since the arrival of Superman.
It's Snyder, baby.
Well, Jimmy Olsen has dressed like a lady in comics, so...yeah. Probably why they did it.
So there's this new book that came out a couple days ago called The Caped Crusade about the history of Batman and his influence on "nerd" culture and there's this one interesting line from a NY Times Review of the book:
"But beware of loving any one particular version of Batman too much. Thats the true lesson I learned in The Caped Crusade. Its a commitment to having your heart broken. Batman will always be subjected to the slings and arrows of outrageous appropriations. By Hollywood. By McDonalds. By Lego. By Adam West nostalgists, by fan fiction writers, by gasp! girls and queer theorists. 'There is Batman the character,' Mr. Weldon writes, 'and Batman the idea.' The idea is always there for the taking."
"But beware of loving any one particular version of Batman too much. Thats the true lesson I learned in The Caped Crusade. Its a commitment to having your heart broken. Batman will always be subjected to the slings and arrows of outrageous appropriations. By Hollywood. By McDonalds. By Lego. By Adam West nostalgists, by fan fiction writers, by gasp! girls and queer theorists. 'There is Batman the character,' Mr. Weldon writes, 'and Batman the idea.' The idea is always there for the taking."
FlashbladeGAF
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I had no problem with it, but I can see how it can get annoying when EVERY character has some smug, clever or cryptic way of saying/explaining something.
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