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[Lmo911]

This movie is like putting your favorite ingredients together and then not really liking the results. It's such a strange thing. I loved Batfleck, I loved Winder Woman. I didn't mind Doomsday being used as he was, because Doomsday is lame. The Batmobile is dope! But the movie is clunky.

I want to see the ultimate edition before I pass final judgement. If it fills the gaps, this could be a kingdom of heaven situation. If not, then it may get even more messy.

Does it deserve the absolute lambasting it's getting though? I say the nay. There's definitely a stylistic conflict at the center of this new DCU between the way these characters are being presented vs the quality of the presentation itself. Out of the many versions of the DC universe they could have chosen, they went with what is basically Injustice, which is a hella dark choice. That plus an imperfect movie has created a perfect storm for critics.

My only concern is that the negativity will be so strong that they throw out the space baby with the water. The ingredients are there, they need better mixing.

If anything this will make Suicide Squad twice as interesting to keep an eye on.

 

[jmizzal]

The movie was ok wasnt bad, somethings could have been done different but it was a decent 7

 

[The Kree]

The idea that you have to earn a shot or even a premise of part of a film is baffling to me.

Because it's more than just a shot. It's a moment of release, a climax.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in The Avengers.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in BvS.

Ask them how they felt as it was happening.

I'll tell you what I felt at that shot in BvS. I felt nothing. The people in the theater apparently felt nothing as well, because they were as silent as I was.

When these moments happen, you can tell whether the movie is working or not when the audience feels so overwhelmed that they have to collectively express it. That's not really happening with BvS from what I'm seeing.

 

[Magwik]

Because it's more than just a shot. It's a moment of release, a climax.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in The Avengers.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in BvS.

Ask them how they felt as it was happening.

I'll tell you what I felt at that shot in BvS. I felt nothing. The people in the theater apparently felt nothing as well, because they were as silent as I was.

When these moments happen, you can tell whether the movie is working or not when the audience feels so overwhelmed that they have to collectively express it. That's not really happening with BvS from what I'm seeing.

That means absolutely nothing considering I saw people clap and cheer at the end of Gods of Egypt. It's a shot, it doesn't need 4 years of mediocre movies to set it up.

 

[The Kree]

That means absolutely nothing considering I saw people clap and cheer at the end of Gods of Egypt. It's a shot, it doesn't need 4 years of mediocre movies to set it up.

No you didn't. And if you did, that wasn't the norm. The movie was a critical and commercial flop. No one saw it, no one cared.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Because it's more than just a shot. It's a moment of release, a climax.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in The Avengers.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in BvS.

Ask them how they felt as it was happening.

I'll tell you what I felt at that shot in BvS. I felt nothing. The people in the theater apparently felt nothing as well, because they were as silent as I was.

When these moments happen, you can tell whether the movie is working or not when the audience feels so overwhelmed that they have to collectively express it. That's not really happening with BvS from what I'm seeing.

People were cheering like crazy when Wonder Woman showed up during the Doomsday fight. I really don't like audience participation unless the experience calls for it (Rocky Horror, for example), but it brought a smile to my face. Especially since that part was really bad-ass. I thought the fights in this movie were great. Really, all the action sequences were pretty great.

 

[Magwik]

No you didn't. And if you did, that wasn't the norm. The movie was a critical and commercial flop. No one saw it, no one cared.

Except the theater I went to that clapped and cheered? Also you do realize that I could easily dismiss your anecdotal evidence too with the same logic, right?

 

[The Kree]

Except the theater I went to that clapped and cheered? Also you do realize that I could easily dismiss your anecdotal evidence too with the same logic, right?

I invited you to ask around. I'm asking to gather a consensus for a reason.

 

[DrForester]

Biggest applause at my theater came when Spiderman showed up in the Civil War trailer.

 

[Cooter]

Because it's more than just a shot. It's a moment of release, a climax.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in The Avengers.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in BvS.

Ask them how they felt as it was happening.

I'll tell you what I felt at that shot in BvS. I felt nothing. The people in the theater apparently felt nothing as well, because they were as silent as I was.

When these moments happen, you can tell whether the movie is working or not when the audience feels so overwhelmed that they have to collectively express it. That's not really happening with BvS from what I'm seeing.

I don't want to be mean but it doesn't matter what you think or what you felt the theater thought. Some people enjoyed it and others didn't. You trying to convince others that it's not a good moment because you didn't feel it as much as the Avengers is meaningless. Your personal guidelines for "earning a scene" is also not relevant.

 

[Dominator]

I liked it the first time I saw it last night. Just got home from seeing it again and I liked it even more! I can't wait for the Ultimate Cut now. If they can fix a few issues with the first hour or so with the editing, I'm sure this is going to move up high on my superhero movie list.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Because it's more than just a shot. It's a moment of release, a climax.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in The Avengers.

Ask around how many people had theater experiences where people cheered and clapped at that shot in BvS.

Ask them how they felt as it was happening.

I'll tell you what I felt at that shot in BvS. I felt nothing. The people in the theater apparently felt nothing as well, because they were as silent as I was.

When these moments happen, you can tell whether the movie is working or not when the audience feels so overwhelmed that they have to collectively express it. That's not really happening with BvS from what I'm seeing.

I saw Avengers day 1 and no one cheered.

ANECDOTES.

People cheered when Wonder Woman showed up.

ANECDOTES.

 

[The Kree]

I don't want to be mean but it doesn't matter what you think or what you felt the theater thought. Some people enjoyed it and others didn't. You trying to convince others that it's not a good moment because you didn't feel it as much as the Avengers is meaningless. Your personal guidelines for "earning a scene" is also not relevant.

How do I make my opinion relevant in this thread where we discuss opinions? How do I make my observations valid?

 

[nomis]

The idea that you have to earn a shot or even a premise of part of a film is baffling to me.

It affects how satisfying it is for the audience, it's not a simple measure of the filmmaker "deserving" it

 

[SeanTSC]

Just got back from it myself. Went with my mom, we both hated it (she loves MCU stuff).

Like, it was super disjointed and mostly boring. I thought the "big fight" was okay, but by the time they got to it I was so fucking bored that I was way past the point of just wanting to go home.

And Lex, god damn, he was so horrible.

Heh, there was also hardly anyone in the theater. It's been packed full for all the other Comic/Super Hero movies that I've been to for quite a while now.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

The idea that you have to earn a shot or even a premise of part of a film is baffling to me.

It's about context, at least to me.

You see, that shot in the Avengers is the culmination of an entire film's worth of build-up. The central conflict of 'The Avengers' isn't "will they beat Loki", it's "will The Avengers actually happen?" And it does. An entire film revolving around the idea that The Avengers shouldn't exist and in that one moment, the movie justifies its existence.

By contrast, the scene in BVS? The culmination of a couple of scenes. Big and grandiose for no other reason besides that fact that you should think the DC trinity getting together is a big deal, when the movie hasn't done nearly enough to justify it.

 

[Magwik]

It affects how satisfying it is for the audience, it's not a simple measure of the filmmaker "deserving" it

I'd say decades of DC movies and none of them featuring all three titular heroes is more than enough build up.

 

[iBeleaf]

Just got back

Before the movie starts an employee comes out and tells the audience to leave after the movie is over as there is not after credit scene lol

The film definitely had pacing problems, scenes kept jumping randomly
Affleck was really good.
Every scene that had WW was great. Her entrance to battle was awesome with her music
Lex was meh. That jolly rancher scene tho ...
The whole cut to another scene was annoying especially at the end, where the movie could of ended at a certain scene but than jumps to another, and another ..

I really believe this movie should of had a ending credits. And the cameo of the flash, aquaman, cyborg would of been perfect.

Overall i enjoyed the movie but the story and pacing is just mediocre. Enjoyed MoS more. I am intrigued about the uncut version, the extra 30 min could fix a lot of the plot holes and pacing, or make it worse lol

6.5/10

 

[crazyrabbits]

It's about context, at least to me.

You see, that shot in the Avengers is the culmination of an entire film's worth of build-up. The central conflict of 'The Avengers' isn't "will they beat Loki", it's "will The Avengers actually happen?" And it does. An entire film revolving around the idea that The Avengers shouldn't exist and in that one moment, the movie justifies its existence.

By contrast, the scene in BVS? The culmination of a couple of scenes. Big and grandiose for no other reason besides that fact that you should think the DC trinity getting together is a big deal, when the movie hasn't done nearly enough to justify it.

This. Most of Avengers is a build-up to that circling team shot. It earns that moment with flying colors.

 

[Plywood]

I saw Avengers day 1 and no one cheered.

ANECDOTES.

People cheered when Wonder Woman showed up.

ANECDOTES.

When I saw MoS the crowd was wowed by Faora's fight scenes. ANECDOTE

 

[Jigolo]

Man I was so disappointed by this movie. it's just bad

 

[Cooter]

How do I make my opinion relevant in this thread where we discuss opinions? How do I make my observations valid?

What makes your opinion more valid than anyone elses? You're discussing a movie which is a form of art. Art affects everyone differently and individual opinions are neither right or wrong. All you have are percentages of the population who happen to form a consensus and even the majority opinion doesn't invalidate the minorities opinion. Just like what you like and stop caring so much about what other people enjoy. I'm not accusing you of this, but the absolute worse are the people who insult others because they don't agree with what is good and bad. Very unhealthy behavior.

 

[Davey Cakes]

The movie seriously was a 5/10. Middling in every way.

It was a bloated mess. The tone was off. It was too "dark" while also being a bit goofy. The pacing was atrocious as the movie ineffectively jumped around and overall felt like an eternity. The action wasn't even that engaging outside a few parts. Wonder Woman felt tacked on.

Should I have watched Man of Steel to prepare? Would that have made me more invested in these characters?

This was just boring stuff. After comic book movies like Deadpool, I'm sorry but I need a well-constructed movie, not just empty fan service.

BvS was not a satisfying experience.

 

[Jigorath]

Biggest applause at my theater came when Spiderman showed up in the Civil War trailer.

That seems to be the consensus.

 

[Gray Matter]

I just got back from watching BvS (not worth it) and once again I have to see the stupid flashbacks of Bruce's parents murder, the one in BvS was especially bad. We all know what happened to his parents, it doesn't need to be told, waste of screen time.

/rant over.

 

[ponpo]

Does he join the Nazgul in Nepal or whatever that ninja clan name is in this movie too??

 

[shoreu]

Just saw it had a great time. Still can't stand

Spoiler

batman killing it was a dumb decision

and pacing was an issue at the beginning. Gal is amazing at the role and that fight was crazy good.


Oh yeah and Luthor was bawls I don't like the insane take it doesn't feel like Lex.

 

[Vyer]

What did we do to earn that, cuz I won't do it again

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

 

[The Illiterati]

I haven't seen BvS but I seriously hoped they would've skipped it. Is there really a person on earth seeing this film who doesn't know who Batman is/was? Alternately, if there is, would they really be lost without the origin?

 

[CaviarMeths]

See also Superman and Spider-Man. These three characters do not need another origin story ever again. Ever.

I would pay to see Batman vs the Nazgul tho.

 

[Quick]

I liked the part where his dad was actually a bat.

 

[Kuroyume]

Who is this directed to exactly? The next gaffer to write and direct a batman movie?

 

[thecouncil]

"Martha"

That's why.

 

[xxracerxx]

See also Superman and Spider-Man. These three characters do not need another origin story ever again. Ever.

I would pay to see Batman vs the Nazgul tho.

If Marvel holds true to their word, no more Spider Man origins.

 

[AlteredBeast]

"Martha"

That's why.

Exactly. It was obvious at the end of the film why they did it this way.

 

[Zoggy]

I liked the part where his dad was actually a bat.

this would be a better backstory

 

[Dahbomb]

Of all the things to complain about BvS, this was the least problematic. The origin was told through the opening credits in a couple of minutes. Only thing bad about it was the Jesus Bruce lift with the bats..

 

[blame space]

Arkham asylum kind of killed anyone else's chance of doing this better.

 

[ZeroX03]

Couple of minutes long, during the credits, referenced later in the film. It's fine.

 

[shoreu]

Does he join the Nazgul in Nepal or whatever that ninja clan name is in this movie too??

My sides Lmfao

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Of all the things to complain about BvS, this was the least problematic. The origin was told through the opening credits in a couple of minutes. Only thing bad about it was the Jesus Bruce lift with the bats..

Or Thomas Wayne throwing the punch?

But Jesus Bruce was the worst thing.

 

[Plywood]

What did we do to earn that, cuz I won't do it again

lol

 

[Fury451]

Normally I would agree with you, but the relative brevity and context

Spoiler

dream/flashback combo

was convenient enough for those that might not know it.

Actual execution of it though was completely terrible.

 

[zeemumu]

It was the opening credits and it's a new incarnation.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

Real talk: What has been the best adaptation of Batman's origin?

 

[B.K.]

Only thing bad about it was the Jesus Bruce lift with the bats..

That was a dream. Dreams don't have to be realistic.

 

[Wensih]

If Marvel holds true to their word, no more Spider Man origins.

It appears they're trying to get rid of the archaic linear format of origin stories. Jessica Jones S1 and Daredevil Season 2 had JJ, Punisher, and Elektra pop up without first going into their backstories, filling in the blanks later. I think this is a much better way of doing it.

 

[daman824]

I liked it. I understand why people might dislike it. It's different from most superhero movies in that there isn't a regular stream of action. But I thought it was good.

It helps that I thought Luthor was portrayed well.

Spoiler

The speech he gave at the benifit party and how you could see he was just this awkward kid who is really smart

was really cool.

Batman was really well done. I get why people wouldn't like him and what he does, but I buy the idea that he's a little more unhinged at this later point in his life.

Superman is fine. Nothing special. The movie doesn't ask much of him acting wise so it works. I really enjoyed the internal conflict he had. And totally bought why lex hated him.

The only problem I had was that the movie felt a little disjointed and slow at first.

That and Louis lane was a goddamn idiot near the end of the movie. But w/e

I can't believe that completely safe, REAL boring movies like ant man and iron man 2 have "fresh" scores, but this is at 30%. I'd give the movie a 7

I really want a Snyder batman movie now with Jareds joker and bens batman.

 

[thecouncil]

You can tell Snyder just loved that shot of the gun and the pearls though. Like we would be talking about how genius it was or something. Showed it twice, even.