SJRB
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"Snyder is a hack, that scene is garbage"
"It's straight out of Miller's comic"
"Yeah well Snyder is still a hack because he shoud NOT have used this scene"
Moving goalposts is one way to make sure you're always right, I guess.
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"Snyder is a hack, that scene is garbage"
"It's straight out of Miller's comic"
"Yeah well Snyder is still a hack because he shoud NOT have used this scene"
Moving goalposts is one way to make sure you're always right, I guess.
clay_ghost
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Maybe instead of a new movie retelling of Batman origin , we can have a trilogy of movies combining the above instead.
Not sure how being from Miller's work is a valid defense when it's received as a negative addition. A big angry lady with swastika pasties on her bare breasts is from the comics, but it doesn't mean it should be used.
Because it's accurate to this version of Batman they're telling? The movie was announced with a quote from TDKR.
Razgriz-Specter
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As someone who hated the MoS soundtrack, I really did like the soundtrack here.
DrROBschiz
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Razgriz-Specter
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The reused stuff from MoS was the only thing that bugged me, it just seemed like it was thrown in constantly.
I know it is supposed to be Superman's theme but is was done really weirdly unlike the Zimmer Batman music which was carried over for all 3 movies.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
why are you suggesting him to read a terrible comic
bryanee
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lol sure.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
you say that when it committed the cardinal sin of "characters for the sake of plot", and it spawned the sequel where diana is an idiot
When am I ever going to see this live action :'(
"Yes father i shall become a bat"
Because it's constantly being used as reference or being adapted in most Batman media?
E the Shaggy
Junior Member
This panel was constantly flashing in my head during his scenes.Has anyone, including Snyder, actually read Dark Knight Returns?
I know the comic is severely dated and has some poor politics and overall strangeness to it, but it's worth a read just to see its influence today.
Did Nolan even care about the comic books? I don't know the comic books so I don't really know. just curious if it was faithful to the books.
It's still Snyder's movie and Snyder's decision to depict the murder that way. I didn't call it garbage though, or called him a hack. The opening titles are the one thing I actually like the best about this thing, from an audiovisual standpoint anyway. I was just pointing out how it subscribes to his ultra-machismo inclinations, and that Begins had already done it better. Attempting to throw a punch in that situation is just stupid and reckless. It's a poor look for ol' Thomas. I guess in Snyder's (and Miller's?) mind he's being heroic, in mine he's an idiot.
Did you think I was talking about Rises haha?
On your question, I don't think Nolan cared much about specific comics but more about Batman as a whole. Jonathon Nolan and Goyer clearly did, and Nolan probably did some research though. I think that's part of the reason why they turned out so good tbh.
Sibersk Esto
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Nolan drew influence from year one, dark knight returns, the long Halloween, knight fall, and no man's land.
A lot of Marvel films have that TV feel outside of a few big action set pieces. And yet BvS manages to be worse than any of them.
Haloid1177
Banned
Not faithful, but there were definitely a lot of elements from Year One in Begins and Long Halloween for The Dark Knight. I know why people say Rises had some TDKReturns and Knightfall stuff in it but it was botched.
Brian_FETO
Banned
A lot of the complaints I've seen of the movie are things I take issue with in MCU movies, but DC hasn't earned the audience's trust or set expectations so they get way overblown
I'd compared BvS to Age Of Ultron quality wise. It has the same slower pacing with darker tone, weird visions of apocalypse/disaster, equivalent of Thor getting in the tub scene, parts that kind of break the logic (or expect viewers to just go with it) and etc. They haven't had their Avengers 1 moment (and they're coming off Man Of Steel's lukewarm response) and it shows
It's definitely a victim of them playing catch up to get that UNIVERSE going, but quality wise it's really not that far behind the Marvel stuff.
The most positive thing I can say about BvS is that they've sold me on the universe (or at least I want to see more). I like what they've done with the characters and I enjoyed my time in the theater. Idk if people are expecting Dark Knight or MCU but it's neither, somewhere in between. Definitely closer to MCU in the "popcorn movie puzzle piece of a universe" territory, but darker and more dramatic (more stylish even).
There's a lot of valid complaints I've read but I can't wrap my head around the claims of this being an irreparable trainwreck compared to the competition. (Compared to Mad Max: Fury Road, sure. But MCU? No chance)
Biggest fault of BvS is the trailers. Absolutely idiotic to show Doomsday, as if people weren't interested in a movie with Batman and Superman (before the reviews hit...)
Suicide Squad will definitely trump it though.
I'd compared BvS to Age Of Ultron quality wise. It has the same slower pacing with darker tone, weird visions of apocalypse/disaster, equivalent of Thor getting in the tub scene, parts that kind of break the logic (or expect viewers to just go with it) and etc. They haven't had their Avengers 1 moment (and they're coming off Man Of Steel's lukewarm response) and it shows
It's definitely a victim of them playing catch up to get that UNIVERSE going, but quality wise it's really not that far behind the Marvel stuff.
The most positive thing I can say about BvS is that they've sold me on the universe (or at least I want to see more). I like what they've done with the characters and I enjoyed my time in the theater. Idk if people are expecting Dark Knight or MCU but it's neither, somewhere in between. Definitely closer to MCU in the "popcorn movie puzzle piece of a universe" territory, but darker and more dramatic (more stylish even).
There's a lot of valid complaints I've read but I can't wrap my head around the claims of this being an irreparable trainwreck compared to the competition. (Compared to Mad Max: Fury Road, sure. But MCU? No chance)
Biggest fault of BvS is the trailers. Absolutely idiotic to show Doomsday, as if people weren't interested in a movie with Batman and Superman (before the reviews hit...)
Suicide Squad will definitely trump it though.
E the Shaggy
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BTW a lot of what made Wonder Woman so cool wasn't even in the script, Galdot improvised WW having a blast during the Doomsday fight:
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
and that's bad because it's a what-if story that thankfully never is treated as canon because it bent a lot of characters
ah but you see I've always considered it to be crappy, never thought of it as a high material
Man, I hope that movie's good. I'm a bit concerned by the writer, but it still has a lot of potential with her as the lead.
IdreamofHIME
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Enjoyed it a lot, but damn does it have all the usual Snyder problems. Crazy how loose a leash he has at WB.
Worse than Thor 2? Dude, you're tripping.
Worse than Thor 2? Dude, you're tripping.
Davey Cakes
Member
One of the best things about WW in BvS. Good on Gal for the improv. Weird how a single moment of "fun" can really add to an overly-brutal movie like that.
ChasingComets
Member
Especially during the
Justice League cameos.
Trumping BVS is easy. I'm still hoping for it to actually be the good DCU movie we've been waiting for.
TheSlySoul
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For sure it did not piss me off like MoS.
Spent $10 watching that crap. Forever a stain in my Amazon Video collection...
I mostly want Lego Batman to come out already.
Davey Cakes
Member
The trailer was funny. If that movie is up to par with the Lego Movie then it's going to be great.
I could see it being the best Batman-related movie since TDK.
Shorty11857
Member
Just saw the movie, not sure how I really feel overall, there was a lot of good and a lot of awful
Affleck was a great Batman
Gal Gadot was surprisingly decent as Wonder Woman
The action looked pretty great, final act was entertaining
On the negative side
The film felt so disjointed like I was watching 4 different movies
Jesse Eisenberg was just awful, and unfortunately one of the four movies felt like his movie
Overall I wasn't bored and there was a lot of great moments but yeah just didn't really work as a movie
Affleck was a great Batman
Gal Gadot was surprisingly decent as Wonder Woman
The action looked pretty great, final act was entertaining
On the negative side
The film felt so disjointed like I was watching 4 different movies
Jesse Eisenberg was just awful, and unfortunately one of the four movies felt like his movie
Overall I wasn't bored and there was a lot of great moments but yeah just didn't really work as a movie
Why would my character even look like they're having fun?
Hmm interesting, what's the source of that interview/comment?
I agree. I really loathe that story, even if I can appreciate the comic revolution it influenced.
That's great, I loved her brief part. The enjoyment of battle and the battle cry were both nice highlights.
Uzumaki Goku
Junior Member
Well, I saw the movie... these are some of my thoughts in this video, I was in a pretty bad mood while making this video. (A friend totally didn't inform me of when they were going to see the movie so I ended up going myself) Be fair warned, there are spoilers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edTF6ED_YZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edTF6ED_YZk
I know, but TDK beign murked by endign witha Superman showdown would havebeen ridiculous,
bob_arctor
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Sitting in the theater now! It's packed. HERE WE GO, GAF!!!
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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TheSlySoul
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It is brilliant in a way.
You watch it then are left confused, then you watch it again paying close attention. Double ticket sales!
Don't worry about it. Your brain can't comprehend what a mess it is and wants to give it another shot to see if there is any sense to make of it.
I got the same urge but I refuse to reward them for their plot being incomprehensibly bad.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
lol
Okay so I'm not alone.
Oh so this is thier plan all along
Haha but maybe I like it this time
Wouldn't surprise me is this is a real thing.
Solid SOAP
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Yep. Not exactly a Batman I wanna see again and again.
No. This movie was all about redeeming Bruce from the broken, bitter mess that he had turned into. It's essentially a second origin story. I highly doubt we'll see Batman act this way in future films.
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