SJRB
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...but those were the most majestic shots in the movie. I was eating that up, it was awesome and it could've had 20 more "Superman floating in the air while his cape moves in the wind" shots for all I care.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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...but those were the most majestic shots in the movie. I was eating that up, it was awesome and it could've had 20 more "Superman floating in the air while his cape moves in the wind" shots for all I care.
There were horses again at the Senate hearing.
It must have some subtle Zack Snyder meaning!
DangerMouse
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I've liked him so far and also over time he's getting closer to that Superman.
As for the bolded, I'd say it's because they don't just stop at thanking him, they go further with the ones closest to him getting on their knees like they are worshiping him and he obviously doesn't really want that. I don't think he would have given that facial expression had they just crowded around to thank him.
I feel like there were at least 4 horse scenes but maybe I'm wrong.
1. The rearing horse in the city
2. Horse in dream sequence? Can't remember.
3. The horse(s) at the funeral, or am I imagining this?
4. Was there another police officer on horse scene besides #1 and #3?
DangerMouse
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Yeah, I remember seeing a horse a bunch of times too.
Razgriz-Specter
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You can't post that picture without https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S176AKQhcCk accompanying it.How many of you missed Chris Pine?
Discotheque
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lmao that's one of the most comic booky scenes i've ever seen in a movie. and it must have been absolutely baffling to audiences who weren't aware of the comics or cartoons.
such a stupid decision to include it. marvel has done small stuff like this but not so blatantly in the forefront of the film and actually part of the plot. i don't know if i admire the balls of including it or admonishing snyder for being so stupid.
it was a bad decision among many.
gotta reiterate a big positive for this movie though, one of the few positives i have for this aside from affleck and irons:
those opening 20 minutes are...wow. great opening credits. the music and the montage showing his parents' death was really well done. and then you have the most accurate and scary portrayal of super powers on earth, very chilling actually. seeing the metropolis attack from bruce's perspective is the freshest take on this city destruction shit that any of these comic book movies have done.
especially seeing all that shit flying everywhere, the heat vision tearing through a building and then supes/zod fighting. it really puts heroes on earth in perspective like no other movie. superman literally does feel like a god in this.
In The Dark Knight Returns, Batman rode a horse. Snyder probably just wanted the imagery in.
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The metropolis destruction was terrifying.
Razgriz-Specter
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Its freaking Batman so you know he is safe but goddamn are you on the edge of your seat for that sequence.
ElBoxyBrown
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It really is in the most fascinating way. We never consider that these super powered beings doing battle must look like gods to an average person's point of view.
I switched my brain off, entered the theatre and did not leave disappointed. I loved this goddamn movie. My highlights:
-"Consider this mercy"
-Alfred was too good. Loved his passive aggressive comments especially the one about the next generation of Waynes.
-Supes bulldozing the African terrorist at the beginning
-"Boy do we have problems up here"
-"You my friend, have a date"
-Bat's beatdowns
-Bat's "oh shit‎" moment
-Gal Gadot slayed as Wonder Woman
I haven't gone through the thread so what's the consensus on the movie so far?
-"Consider this mercy"
-Alfred was too good. Loved his passive aggressive comments especially the one about the next generation of Waynes.
-Supes bulldozing the African terrorist at the beginning
-"Boy do we have problems up here"
-"You my friend, have a date"
-Bat's beatdowns
-Bat's "oh shit‎" moment
-Gal Gadot slayed as Wonder Woman
I haven't gone through the thread so what's the consensus on the movie so far?
Again, no problem from me for them including it, it's just how they contextualize it is awful.
The opening montage is really fucking well done, yeah... until Bruce starts fucking levitating! I mention it in my impressions that this movie has so many great moments that it sets up, but it always manages to take things like a hair too far. They could've cut at Bruce being surrounded by bats, but they just kept going in this really dumb ass way.
Also yeah, the Man of Steel sequence is really fucking well-done for the most part (even with how fucking hilarious Bruce's confused-ass look when the horse strolls by). My only issue is with the people in the building. Like... they are just standing around until Bruce calls and says "GET THE FUCK OUT!" Like the guy he'd called on the phone (who should've been Lucius Fox IMO) should have already been evacuating people down the stairs or something. Also the prayer, I get why one would think to include that, but it felt so unnecessary, or it should've been done in a subtler way.
SJRB
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That was incredible. I loved how we saw the events from another perspective.
Really, really well done.
ElBoxyBrown
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Metropolis has a bad habit of not evacuating building when city destruction is going down.
One major issue is the heroes don't give two shits. After the capital bombing I thought oh how is he going to handle this? Will he fly a couple people out and be like on the steps putting out the fire? What happens to superman when he was so close. Nope he kinda just acted like "I had a good day going until this shit, to bad" then next scene. Maybe a little Clark Kent does some investigation finds out Luthor ran out the door, time to talk him as superman.
Nope superman dosnt care who blow up the capital, I'm going on a hike cause people hate me.
Nope superman dosnt care who blow up the capital, I'm going on a hike cause people hate me.
Oh snaps you are right lol.
PreFire
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So did they do an autopsy on Clark?
And how did Lois know to get the spear?
Lex was the worst part of this movie. How was he cast for this? Dude was a fucking joker
Batman murdered at least 10 people.
Ezra as the flash lol. He's literally lightning quick though. What was up with that message from the future though. The fuck?
Wonder Woman was awesome. We will see the reason that photo was taken in her solo film
Alfred was good
I think Snyder hates superman tbh
And how did Lois know to get the spear?
Lex was the worst part of this movie. How was he cast for this? Dude was a fucking joker
Batman murdered at least 10 people.
Ezra as the flash lol. He's literally lightning quick though. What was up with that message from the future though. The fuck?
Wonder Woman was awesome. We will see the reason that photo was taken in her solo film
Alfred was good
I think Snyder hates superman tbh
Joel Was Right
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What makes you think they're best buddies after that?
It's a weapon that could kill her husband. Of course she wasn't going to leave it out in the open. It's just hilarious that she has to run and go get it after Doomsday shows up. That didn't bother me so much, just that it was yet another set up for Lois to need saving.
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batman tells supermans mom he is a friend of her sons!
I think the knightmare was the highlight of the movie btw. and I have never heard of it before and it was very obvious what it was about. I think with more explanation it would have been worse
Doesn't she say that though?
Snyder can't see past Superman's character beyond the alien with godly powers. To him the most compelling Superman stories are where he gets beat up because it's hype that an all powerful being gets whooped.
I am sure his next step was going to be adapting a story where Superman could go rogue and become a real bad guy to make him into this powerful villain. Because that's also probably what he would find bad ass about Superman.
"Yo man wouldn't be awesome and bad ass if Superman was the bad guy?"
I am sure his next step was going to be adapting a story where Superman could go rogue and become a real bad guy to make him into this powerful villain. Because that's also probably what he would find bad ass about Superman.
"Yo man wouldn't be awesome and bad ass if Superman was the bad guy?"
broncobuster
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That reminds me, there's a shot of several men riding horses from trailers to miss the theatrical cut.
What you said but the exact opposite.
I disliked the movies and these points kind of play to my dislike, but they can be explained.
1) It's not the single fact they share the same name, but that they do triggers in Bruce why he's even Batman...that his Mother was killed, and it reflects in what he's about to do - that Superman too has a Mother and if he goes through with what he's doing, he may allow his mother to die.
It's ok. But yeah, it bugged me that he literally says "I'm a FRIEND of your son's", mere moments later (in what would deem to be the longest 10 minutes of in-movie time ever after the clock starts ticking down for Superman's Mum).
2) Lois knows that kryptonite is his weakness so disposes of it (after batman discards it), but then later realises they need to to defeat doomsday, only to get saved by superman again (how many time does Lois actually get saved by Superman in this film?), only to throw it away again (to stop superman getting hurt), only to have superman go retrieve it again.
Again, I get it, but it played out kinda silly in my mind.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Nah, Bats says that. She follows with a "I figured out by the cape" or something like that.
SJRB
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Should've been
"Your name is Martha too?? Will you be my mommy?"
"Kid, I don't have room in my life for more freaks dressed like clowns. Now get off me you weirdo"
Well I stand corrected. I still think saying they're bffs is a little ridiculous.
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What was the ship even doing there anyway? Are they unable to move it somewhere else? Did Superman not care about them tinkering with whatever is inside of it? I'm sure he could move it somewhere else.
They put a tent over an alien crashed ship and called it a day, with skyscrapers full of people around it, seems kinda dangerous to me.
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SolidChamp
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Oh that was straight up garbage, that cyborg one. And the fact they used Miles Bennet Dyson from T2 was really on the nose.
Nothing subtle about this fucking movie.
ElBoxyBrown
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It was government property. They were using it for study and I think develop new weapons. They could have moved it but that would have required them to ask Superman for help which was the main point of the movie of the government not being able to negotiate with him.
Mine did, too. Nice way to break the crazy action before it.That exchange got a good reaction from the audience in my showing
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Wonder Woman is really written in to promote and showcase the upcoming films, and to also use the trinity as the selling point. She has nothing to do with the plot at all.
Movie could have benefited from not focusing on so many stories at the sams time. they could and should have a MOS2, Superman vs Lex Luthor/Doomsday, with Lex fanning the public resentment , and the climax fight spilling into Gotham City, maybe blasting a corner of Blackgate prison and prisoners escaping. Post credit could be Batman handling a tied villain (Riddler or something) to the cops, looking tired and calling Alfred how many escaped prisoners left (which will explain why he wasnt involve in the Superman/Doomsday fight).
Then a proper Batman v Superman, where the public resentment reach a fever pitch. Batman has got more reasons to hate Superman (for destroying Wayne Enterprise in MoS and letting those prisoners escape in MoS2). Batman will align himself with the public resentment, and use his detective skill to seek out Superman. Both quarrel over their different ideologies and fight. superman surrender himself and give up the fight, and movie end. Post credit of Wonder Woman talking to Aquaman about how they need to find more people like them.
Movie could have benefited from not focusing on so many stories at the sams time. they could and should have a MOS2, Superman vs Lex Luthor/Doomsday, with Lex fanning the public resentment , and the climax fight spilling into Gotham City, maybe blasting a corner of Blackgate prison and prisoners escaping. Post credit could be Batman handling a tied villain (Riddler or something) to the cops, looking tired and calling Alfred how many escaped prisoners left (which will explain why he wasnt involve in the Superman/Doomsday fight).
Then a proper Batman v Superman, where the public resentment reach a fever pitch. Batman has got more reasons to hate Superman (for destroying Wayne Enterprise in MoS and letting those prisoners escape in MoS2). Batman will align himself with the public resentment, and use his detective skill to seek out Superman. Both quarrel over their different ideologies and fight. superman surrender himself and give up the fight, and movie end. Post credit of Wonder Woman talking to Aquaman about how they need to find more people like them.
Discotheque
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the dawn of justice part was so bad. this movie did the opposite of it's intended effect and it has me apprehensive to be excited for a justice league movie. the aquaman clip and cyborg clips particularly.
aquaman shit was so goofy. what the hell was that.
i'm impressed that a movie i dislike so much has THAT opening 15-20 minutes though and that batman/alfred. those are perfect (though I am not sure what to make of this batman who is straight murdering people. it puts too many things into question...why is the joker alive? why doesn't he have brands all over his face? )
i'm not excited for justice league but now i'm really looking forward to a batman film even more and hoping superman reaches his final nice boy form in something. these movies moving forward should be about their rise to the light rather than sinking further into the darkness imo. superman's been dealt with very realistically but it's time to idealize him now.
also superman's death....so what does this mean for clark kent? will clark kent never come back? how do you explain your rise from the grave? do they have the gall to actually give him a new name/identity?
edit: btw good god was affleck swole. that training montage is THE BATMAN. his interactions with alfred are on point too. and god damn is cavill a good looking dude when he's in clark kent mode. the slicked back hair does him no favors.
aquaman shit was so goofy. what the hell was that.
i'm impressed that a movie i dislike so much has THAT opening 15-20 minutes though and that batman/alfred. those are perfect (though I am not sure what to make of this batman who is straight murdering people. it puts too many things into question...why is the joker alive? why doesn't he have brands all over his face? )
i'm not excited for justice league but now i'm really looking forward to a batman film even more and hoping superman reaches his final nice boy form in something. these movies moving forward should be about their rise to the light rather than sinking further into the darkness imo. superman's been dealt with very realistically but it's time to idealize him now.
also superman's death....so what does this mean for clark kent? will clark kent never come back? how do you explain your rise from the grave? do they have the gall to actually give him a new name/identity?
edit: btw good god was affleck swole. that training montage is THE BATMAN. his interactions with alfred are on point too. and god damn is cavill a good looking dude when he's in clark kent mode. the slicked back hair does him no favors.
Did Superman not think for himself "Mmmm yeah I think leaving this shit here could be dangerous."
Not that it detracts my enjoyment when watching, but things could be different lol.
SolidChamp
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I used the ADD analogy as well.
Snyder shouldn't have been allowed to sit with his editor.
ElBoxyBrown
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I think he's gonna stay as Clark Kent and be known to the public. His identity was revealed in the Daily Planet paper so unless Superman goes through some major facial reconstruction (aka switch actors) he's going to stay looking the same.
This Superman doesn't want to interfere with politics. He'll only come to assistant if someone is yelling "help."
SJRB
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Treading slightly into nitpick territory with questions like these, I feel.
I mean, every problem posed in the movie can be fixed with "why didn't Superman just hurl [insert thing] into the Sun?" or stuff like that. You need something as framework for the movie.
broncobuster
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I don't get that Snyder is terribly interested in Clark Kent the reporter. Maybe it heads in a Kingdom Come route and Clark becomes a farmer.
DangerMouse
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Yeah those were all some great things. And this one when Lois stops fighting against the warlord guy, lowers her arms, looks at Supes and they each silently know he's about to do and he bulldozes into him was so damned good. I believe that was the first cheer of the night after the tense Bruce viewpoint of the MOS stuff.
Yeah. Both action scenes before it were amazing.
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That superman save, when Lex throws Lois off the roof, that was crazy. DC Animated Universe level shit.
By that point in time I wasn't sure who'd be the one to do saving. Superman was on a fucking mountain being moses last time we saw him. Batman was being batman somewhere, and we don't know what WW was up to. So there was a split second I thought the flash or someone else would show up.
But nope, of course its superman. No swoosh sound, or any kind of cue that he'd show up, he comes out of nowhere, and suddenly Lois is floating and he's just there, being superman as fuck. I loved that shit. It was Superman Returns's supes lifting that car all over again. That was some superman shit.
But immediately after, I thought to myself: 'wait, how the hell did Superman know? Even with super hearing he shouldn't be able to hear her all the way from some fucking mountain somewhere. But then two things come to mind. 1. He's superman, he's always been able to hear people on the other side of the globe when filmmakers wanted it. He does this in Superman returns, and the Donner movies (where he also incidentally turns back time, by rotating the earth in the opposite direction and throws the fucking S on his chest at someone). 2. It felt like they obviously cut 10 minute or so that delves in to Superman leaving metropolis, going moses on a mountain and coming back, I'm looking forward to that extra 30 minutes, hoping it will delve in to Superman's mountain pilgrimage.
By that point in time I wasn't sure who'd be the one to do saving. Superman was on a fucking mountain being moses last time we saw him. Batman was being batman somewhere, and we don't know what WW was up to. So there was a split second I thought the flash or someone else would show up.
But nope, of course its superman. No swoosh sound, or any kind of cue that he'd show up, he comes out of nowhere, and suddenly Lois is floating and he's just there, being superman as fuck. I loved that shit. It was Superman Returns's supes lifting that car all over again. That was some superman shit.
But immediately after, I thought to myself: 'wait, how the hell did Superman know? Even with super hearing he shouldn't be able to hear her all the way from some fucking mountain somewhere. But then two things come to mind. 1. He's superman, he's always been able to hear people on the other side of the globe when filmmakers wanted it. He does this in Superman returns, and the Donner movies (where he also incidentally turns back time, by rotating the earth in the opposite direction and throws the fucking S on his chest at someone). 2. It felt like they obviously cut 10 minute or so that delves in to Superman leaving metropolis, going moses on a mountain and coming back, I'm looking forward to that extra 30 minutes, hoping it will delve in to Superman's mountain pilgrimage.
Yeah I thought about it last night, and I still like it.
I know I am in the minority and my taste is probably suspect as a result but I did.
It was an art film with 3 major DC storylines as the subject. Batman, Superman and lex are 3 mentally damaged people who are working out their issues, but I like that. We have Marvel for blind hero worship formulaic films. I love them. This is a very different type of film, full of discordant editing, actions and motives.
The thing that I find strange is so many comic fans not knowing the back story to all of these scenes.
Lex has been manipulating batman, superman and the government for a while, possibly since before mos. He was an abused child with hella daddy issues and a genius intellect. He is also way up on the spectrum and massively driven by his own demons.
Jesse's delivery of him made sense, mopy superman makes sense. He was involved in a fight that killed thousands and is having a crisis of character, his only happiness in life is his Mrs and helping people. But people keep trying to make him into something he's not, a messiah an icon. This is messing with farmboys head! He is a small town guy thrust into global politics and worldwide cultural impact. He needs to get to being the world's biggest boy scout and he has to have that strength of character built. In this universe he's not there yet but you can see they're getting there.
I mean it's on the nose but they literally Bury the old superman.
If that's not a big sign that underlines "We're moving on from this point" I don't know what is.
Batman was great, killing Motherfuckers because he is old mean cruel batman? Driven to do terrible things, paranoid, delusional and was prep time as fuck. Sticking the spear in the ground just to show, this is where this shits gonna end? I don't think you could get more Frank Miller than that.
There are holes in this film, but I like what it wanted to do and apart from aquaman gazing at the camera I understood what it was doing and enjoyed it.
It's empire strikes back, the next film will be an interesting rebirth.
I know I am in the minority and my taste is probably suspect as a result but I did.
It was an art film with 3 major DC storylines as the subject. Batman, Superman and lex are 3 mentally damaged people who are working out their issues, but I like that. We have Marvel for blind hero worship formulaic films. I love them. This is a very different type of film, full of discordant editing, actions and motives.
The thing that I find strange is so many comic fans not knowing the back story to all of these scenes.
Lex has been manipulating batman, superman and the government for a while, possibly since before mos. He was an abused child with hella daddy issues and a genius intellect. He is also way up on the spectrum and massively driven by his own demons.
Jesse's delivery of him made sense, mopy superman makes sense. He was involved in a fight that killed thousands and is having a crisis of character, his only happiness in life is his Mrs and helping people. But people keep trying to make him into something he's not, a messiah an icon. This is messing with farmboys head! He is a small town guy thrust into global politics and worldwide cultural impact. He needs to get to being the world's biggest boy scout and he has to have that strength of character built. In this universe he's not there yet but you can see they're getting there.
I mean it's on the nose but they literally Bury the old superman.
If that's not a big sign that underlines "We're moving on from this point" I don't know what is.
Batman was great, killing Motherfuckers because he is old mean cruel batman? Driven to do terrible things, paranoid, delusional and was prep time as fuck. Sticking the spear in the ground just to show, this is where this shits gonna end? I don't think you could get more Frank Miller than that.
There are holes in this film, but I like what it wanted to do and apart from aquaman gazing at the camera I understood what it was doing and enjoyed it.
It's empire strikes back, the next film will be an interesting rebirth.
Yep. After two days of reflection, I love it too. It completely subverted my expectations of what it was going to be, the tone was relentlessly intense and I applaud Snyder for holding tight to his vision and not making a cookie cutter film. These characters are developing, slowly, but they are. I totally understand why Supes isn't the big blue Boy Scout yet. It makes sense in this world they have created.
I love that Terrio has attempted to show real consequences for all of these super hero exploits. The opening 20 minutes was utterly brilliant.
I cannot wait for the longer cut, I'm hoping that the release of that will allow these characters more time to breathe on film and hopefully temper some of the absolutely hysterical critical reaction this movie is getting. I find it really sad that Ben Affleck is on Fallon warning people that this isn't a movie for critics. He was simply brilliant in this and should be proud of his take on Batman.
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I think it's fair to expect a sold framework though. BvS is as well put together as the IKEA cabinet in Deadpool was
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