Man, I just can't agree with anyone who found the theme too cheesy when Wonder Woman showed up. It was awesome. I wonder who's doing the score for Wonder Woman? I wouldn't mind them using that riff once or twice.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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TheSlySoul
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Mostly he is bitter about Superman letting one of his companies get cut down by lasers and believes Lex/Future Flash about possible Evil Superman.
He never really questions Lex's motives which is weird...
That pretty much sums up my thoughts.
I think that leaked synopsis on reddit from a year or so ago was the Goyer script and its a masterpiece compared to what we got.
The only way to salvage this movie was to fire Snyder and Terrio and bring in someone who knows how to write comic book characters.
No amount of editing could've saved this plot
Subpar Spatula
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Lex was the weakest? Why? He was magnificent with her performance, mannerisms. He was the scene stealer in this movie.
Plot was fine. The editing is why the movie is hated so much. A lot of it doesn't make sense to most people because of the editing. People hate on Superman and Batman being this way because they're not able to articulate the editing problems so it's easier to nitpick when you add your 2 cents. It's why people can be legit upset when "superman doesn't drag Doomsday to the desert".
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No, this is demonstrated by the corpse of Zod when they explain Krytopnite. When the exposed the tiny sliver of it on a scalpel to Zod's corpse his cells started to decay and they were able to pierce his skin. There was no need we weaken him further with some gas.
Yes, it's the same Russian that batman has been tracking and following the whole movie. Batman knew he worked for lex, because he was the guy that led him to the white Portuguese that had the kryptonite that was being transferred to lexcorp.
Batman, with Alfred's help and being the worlds greatest detective put two and two together that the Russian was working for Luthor and that he was probably also involved with Martha's kidnapping.
I actually really enjoyed the movie, I'm surprised it reviewed so poorly.
There's gonna be a great fan edit of this, I just know it.
Subpar Spatula
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The gas and other tools exist to wear him down. It's like saying, "why wear that suit of armor? Just go and stab him, it's so simple."
The editing really was terrible. The first half is mostly boring, as the film tries to get through the character buildings scenes but doesn't do it well. The second half is a mess as the film tries to juggle all of its elements.
Snyder said that they are bringing back scenes in the Ultimate Edition that were in the film and really close to making the final cut, and the Ultimate Edition has 30 minutes worth of scenes; I feel like the editing for this movie wasn't kind to the finish product. He probably knows that's a much better cut of the film.
Snyder said that they are bringing back scenes in the Ultimate Edition that were in the film and really close to making the final cut, and the Ultimate Edition has 30 minutes worth of scenes; I feel like the editing for this movie wasn't kind to the finish product. He probably knows that's a much better cut of the film.
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Was it just me or did they change the S on his coffin? Looked classier in my bad recollection.
ryutaro's mama
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I had the same gripe, earlier in this thread. The relationship between Bruce and Clark - their evolution from foes, to skeptical of each other, to cautious allies, to friends to brothers.
That was necessary, IMO, in order to earn that loss of Superman. Make it impactful. That's why you don't kill Superman in the same movie that you introduce him to Batman.
Sigh...
Doctor Decimate
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Small thing, but DC's decision to forgo post-credit scenes is silly when they paste them in the middle of the movie
You mean the smartest man on the planet didn't wanted the second or third smartest man on the planet to know that those checks were not getting to the Security Guard so his master plan wouldn't be sabotage by Batman?
Impaling trough skin, muscles and Bones is way different than cutting trough skin.
BEcause he knew this group was looking for a way to get to Superman, he didn't knew who was behind this, But he told Afred He was looking for them out of a white bomb treat to Gotham, but Alfred caught him in his lies, and then Bruce just explained to him it was something to stop Superman all along.
After MoS, Bruce became obsessed with Superman to a point where it transformed him, this is a major plot in the movie that I see a lot of people confused about this.
No, the plot was not fine. The editing was sloppy, and the plot was filled with ridiculous contrivances to set up the cartoonish action scenes. I'd heard rumblings about those specific criticisms about this movie for over a year now, but I had no idea it would be this bad.
I personally hate on Superman and Batman in this movie because of the demented lengths they go to have that fight with each other in the third act. Nothing they do is remotely consistent with anything they say or do in the film, and that's just as much on the plot as it is on the writing and the editing.
They don't make it clear, Joker might already be dead. Suicide Squad takes place before this I believe (or maybe not, I'm probably wrong).
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That's pretty much what I said in my first impressions. It's completely senseless. Audiences WANT these things, and expect to be spammed with all sorts of information, and no one judges you for it. Yet, their decision here was to not do that, and instead disorientate general audiences. Bizarre decision.
Instead of cramming it all in the movie, I'd have rather had it that they gave us a 15 minute introduction to the justice league world. Fuck it, make it a trailer for all your upcoming movies. Saves 15 minutes.
Chris Nolan told Zack off for entertaining that idea with Man of Steel, so Zack is probably just scared to do it.
mugurumakensei
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No, I think Snyder and Terrio did pretty well on the story and themes front. Thematically, it tackles the issue of what kind of world would need superheroes and what are the consequences of superheroes. Yea, it's been tackled by Marvel. However, Age of Ultron was far too light in tone for tackling the issue. I have higher hopes for Captain America. In terms of tone, Snyder nailed the depressing atmosphere of collateral damage caused by a vigilante and super powered messianic alien. I also liked that the ultimate resolution for the fight between Batman vs Superman was Batman seeing superman's humanity when Clark's mother was threatened.
There was a lot of unneeded scenes. Sometimes the action was too gratitutious that it truly did feel depressing. However, the core arcs for Superman and Batman make logical sense. I also think Luthor made a lot more sense than most when you read into what he says. Some of what he says hints that he was abused by his father( I think he directly states it when talking to Lois) , and he hates that no hero came to save him from his fathers fist. That's why he wanted the Bat gone, Supes gone, and was tracking metas. No one came to save him so he hates them all.
It attempts to convey that but does it really have anything interesting to say about it? I'd say not.
To be honest I hate this theme, I hate it for MCU, I hate it here, I liked it when Superheroes could stop Villains without the government acting like a 3rd source of unwanted Drama.
TheSlySoul
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It is an issue for me in Civil War II because I do not understand how any hero would be cool with the idea of convicting people before they commit crime.
Maybe it makes more sense in the series but yeah.
Government and hero conflict I never seen really work in these types of properties.
Edit: I meant to talk about Civil War 2, DERP.
That's not what happened
Zack said Nolan initially didn't like the idea but they sat down to debate it and eventually they all agreed on it IIRC
mugurumakensei
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Well, it doesn't really say anything other than show what the reasonable answer is. Sometimes the best intentions have tragic consequences. While the initial question is posed about superheroes, the movie does also make a statement that governments should be just as cautious with their actions as the presidents decision to launch a nuke incompacitated Superman and made Doomsday that much stronger. It also meant Superman had to die. Now, in this movie, there's a little bit of hope there since Superman came back.
On the other hand, nations actions often do result in exarcebating problems. Unlike Superman, a lot of the people who end up having to sacrifice their life to fix the problems don't come back. That's what I feel is the reason for showing dual funerals and Bruce's statement at Clark's funeral.
I'm talking about having a post-credits sequence in a film. Nolan is opposed to the idea.
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I find it not really hard to agree with this!
(Also you can tell yourself that in MoS Superman is actually inexperienced with his powers and that's a reason for all the destruction caused by his fighting. In BvS we learn he really doesn't give a shit and loves trashing buildings)
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Chris Terrio IS a false god, confirmed!
FunnyBunny
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I just read thatI would have enjoyed that movie much more.
Indigo_Plateau
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I thought the movie and wonder women was ok but I really liked her theme too.
Also, does anyone know the music which plays in the credits scene?
Gordon Shumway
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So yeah. Hydra guy really fucked with me lol. The movie was just ok. Affleck was great. Superman was better in MoS (I can't believe I'm saying this). Wonder Woman was fine. Lex is the fucking piss..could stand the fucking guy. The Lois and the staff/spear nonsense was just WTF? I get why she tossed it in, but why was she trying to get it back? Must have ESP.
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TheSlySoul
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Someone should Photoshop Terrio Statue with FALSE GOD on him.
Indigo_Plateau
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Thanks. I remember it begin more dramatic than this though...
OriginalThinking
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So I've seen the movie. I'm not a comic book person, but I do like superhero movies. I definitely don't rank it as poorly as the critics. It's average stuff at best. I've seen worse movies. There are things I agree with the critics on and there are things I disagree with them on.
I'm not sure which thread to post this in but am I the only one who thought wonder womans theme was really bad, like take you out of the movie bad?
this shit right here is teribble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_o7XUX3fg
this shit right here is teribble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_o7XUX3fg
Very likely.
Yes. It showed that beneath everything, Lex was just petty. Which fits the character to a T
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Shouldve kept Goyer for sure
Yeah, the senator told him "you can piss in a glass and call it granny's peach tea" when he was talking about his anti-Superman weapons being for the safety of the world.
Ein Bear
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I just looked this up and yeah, given the similarities to the final film (characters like the Senator and Mercy, events like the middle-east incident, etc) it does sound like a legit early draft.
It's also significantly better. Here's a link for anyone who's interested.
Goyer would at least write a movie, not half-ass the connective tissue between already existing comic book moments like Terrio did.
Still kind of laughing at how dumb Superman's sacrifice was. There was no rush to take down Doomsday, they'd been romping on that conveniently uninhabited area for a while. Supes flies to WW, tells her to use the staff, WW picks it up and tears Doomsday to shreds. The end. There was no urgency, no crisis, no person or thing that mandated Superman use the staff that instant. It made him getting grabbed and stabbed - which he could have gotten away from if he'd just let go - both hollow and hilarious.
Heck, he could have even just flow past WW and dropped it off - "Use this it'll kill him!" - and let his momentum move him into a safe zone.
The writing in this movie was such trash.
Heck, he could have even just flow past WW and dropped it off - "Use this it'll kill him!" - and let his momentum move him into a safe zone.
The writing in this movie was such trash.
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After the credits, with no post credits scene, a man in the audience shouted:
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