Gentleman Jack
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Why does Lois do anything in either film? It's because she's a professional damsel in distress and can't go for 30 minutes without needing a goddamn rescue.
Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Why does Lois do anything in either film? It's because she's a professional damsel in distress and can't go for 30 minutes without needing a goddamn rescue.
thecouncil
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I dunno. Seems like that's more Hawkgirl's game. Like Wonder Woman will fight out of necessity and is good at it but she not looking for it or getting pleasure out of it.
Yes, different interpretations of course. All of these interpretations have been played out before, I'm sure. Just, not what I expected.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Oh, damn that would have been a badass battle cross.
They did give Supes a soldier burial after all...
Damn.
I keep thinking back to that CG DC Universe Online trailer and how badass it was.
I really wish Batman and WW got to team up against Doomsday with Superman already knocked out. This is a Bman movie after all.
Also, as far as the killing is concerned. I think Batman already offed the Joker in this timeline.
He's been doing this for 20 years according to Alfred, so... I think he's over that no killing shit. He's really fucking grim. Props to Affleck for his take, seriously. So good.
I agree.
Batman was horrible in this. He's worse than in most of Frank Miller's depictions. He basically tortures Superman. It works in The Dark Knight Returns, because the intent isn't to kill but to teach Superman a lesson ('You aren't that far above us humans'). Batfleck teaches the same lessons, but wants to execute Superman anyway. Why tell him all that? Why put him through the wringer if you just want to kill him?
As someone who likes Miller's Batman stuff, pre-9/11 dude was great and even his ASBR story was entertaining in how crazy is was, Snyder's Batman just felt off.
The guns in the Knightmare are fine, it's just a fantasy and letting a dude get blow up by making him a drop a grenade is a gray area. Guns on the batmobile/plane are and off and on thing for Batman so it was alright with me.
It's just the leaps in logic and lack of analysis from Bruce Wayne. Even Nolan's Batman at least shook guys down for info and tried to do some crime scene analysis. Here he just takes big leaps of faith and doesn't approach anything with nuch planning outside of his strategy for fighting Superman. Even Miller's Batman at its worst will think things through before making a decision, even if the decision is ultimately harmful for everyone involved.
The guns in the Knightmare are fine, it's just a fantasy and letting a dude get blow up by making him a drop a grenade is a gray area. Guns on the batmobile/plane are and off and on thing for Batman so it was alright with me.
It's just the leaps in logic and lack of analysis from Bruce Wayne. Even Nolan's Batman at least shook guys down for info and tried to do some crime scene analysis. Here he just takes big leaps of faith and doesn't approach anything with nuch planning outside of his strategy for fighting Superman. Even Miller's Batman at its worst will think things through before making a decision, even if the decision is ultimately harmful for everyone involved.
Neither did Batman.
She tried to recreate the Raphael bathtub scene from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That was about it.
According to the film, there is no lesson Batman wants to teach Superman, he just wants him dead because he's a threat. If this is the reasoning that Batman is using, there is no reason he should not just want to get it over with as soon as possible.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Looked rushed and cheap as hell. Couldn't they give momoa some contacts or something?
Or film it out of water then CG the hair in? Lol
Indigo_Plateau
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Same here. My mind was blown
I laughed at this.
I'm wondering what they're gonna do when he has some actul in-water screen time like his own film, clearly that plan did not work
RoninChaos
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I love how superman and Batman have visions now too. Wtf Snyder.
holy shit, lol
This needs to be a plot point in future films.
Batman has the Joker by the neck. Joker's face is bloody, but he's laughing. "We both know you don't have what it takes to end this. We will keep doing this dance until it destroys you". Batman grimaces and reaches into his utility belt. We hear a beep and the headlights of the Batmobile lights up the alley behind the pair. We see the terror start to build up in the Joker's face.
He only used guns directly on people in the fucked hypothetical future, people dying as a result of his actions is no different than any other Batman movie or comic where we see crazy dangerous stuff that most likely result in deaths.
What an absurd conclusion.
And this is out of character how?
See above.
Again, see above.
A mother comforting a son and telling him to do whatever makes happy, how odd.
I don't even know what to say to this.
you missed that part where Batman shot up the trucks and killed those guys.
The thing with Batman is I'm fine with him being one step behind Lex Luthor, but he really is ignorant in this film. It isn't even clear if he knows who Superman is, or even bothers to investigate the possibility of a dual-identity. How about get to know this guy before you vehemently want him dead?
How easily he decides he's going to execute Superman is so out of character. It isn't a burden, it's just "Hey Alfred, here's what I'm going to do".
How easily he decides he's going to execute Superman is so out of character. It isn't a burden, it's just "Hey Alfred, here's what I'm going to do".
Frozenprince
Banned
Because Lex Luthor isn't an actually mentally ill person?
Is anyone asking why they didn't write it so that Lois could just pass the spear to Wonder Woman instead of letting Superman make himself sick with it? I kinda feel like he died for nothing when he had an equal on his side that could have been just as effective with it.
I guess we really needed to see the Lasso.
no they guessed we really needed to see Doomsday kill Superman because 90's shitty marketing feels
Lex Luthor is a genius egomaniac psychopath that kills everyone who stands in his way to being on top of the world. Making him have a few more signs of being excentric or mentally ill fit perfectly with him.
Lex didn't have any ambition in this film though.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
This version of Batman felt much darker than the one in "The Dark Knight Returns"
Not really, HE doesn't have to act like Ridler and Joker raised a kid.
I wasn't sure what was his motive.... was he doing it to help mankind to get rid of any MetaHuman?
This movie should've ended on a happier note.
You know how I would've done it? Remember Lois in Superman Returns when she was working on an article about if the World Needed Superman? Basically do a retread of that with Amy Adams doing a voice over as Superman finally seems to have people connecting with him, loving him, instead of fear, their light in the darkness, and most of all their HOPE instead of despair.
"Do I think the world needs Superman? Yes, I do. But I also think he needs us, just as much."
*End Credits*
You know how I would've done it? Remember Lois in Superman Returns when she was working on an article about if the World Needed Superman? Basically do a retread of that with Amy Adams doing a voice over as Superman finally seems to have people connecting with him, loving him, instead of fear, their light in the darkness, and most of all their HOPE instead of despair.
"Do I think the world needs Superman? Yes, I do. But I also think he needs us, just as much."
*End Credits*
He did it because his daddy slapped him around as a kid.
Killing the most powerful being in the world (who he also feels doesn't belong in earth just like the comics) isn't ambitious? The number one threat to his usual megalomania?
So only Joker and Riddler are allowed to be socially out of place geniuses?
Orochinagis
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"Daddy abuse of me but since God (superman) didnt help me and I want you dead"
It wouldn't have looked cool enough.
Zack Snyder wants everything to look as cool as possible.
I don't recall many versions of Lex where all he wants is to kill Superman.
What did he mean by this?
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"I won't kill you....but I don't have to save you...from the thing I just told to kill you"
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Your not kidding. It was the most frustrating thing to witness. This lady just made Superman leave a battle to go save her..again..wow.
He breaks through a wall and uses the goons assault rifle to shoot the pack of flame thrower dude. Doesn't count as murder since he was just aiming for the flamethrower tank, and the guy strapped to it didn't bother to move out of the way or not catch on fire.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Pretty much the only thing, and really it's 100% justified. It's no worse than some of the murders under Keaton and Bale's belt, and if anything is more justified (probably on the same level as killing Dent in TDK)
WrenchNinja
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The only darker Batman that I've seen is the Flashpoint Batman but that one doesn't count.
Has there ever been a darker Bruce Wayne Batman? I really doubt it.
Annoying Old Party Man
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Reposting from the RT thread.
Okay so I watched this last night. Some observations
- Was better than Age of Ultron (come at me GAF) and Man of Steel
- First 40 minutes were decent, then the more the movie progresses, the worse it becomes. Kind of reminded me of MoS, which followed a similar trajectory.
- So many wtf moments. The dream scenes. What? That scene where Lois starts running and she falls down hilariously. Who thought that was ok to let in the movie?
- Wonder Woman looks too cartoonish and she also doesn't really have anything to do in the movie, except from "hey we really need to kickstart JLA"
- The last fight was awful. Videogame awful.
- The ending was lol. You do that and you end it like that 5 mins later? major wtf
- Cavil is an inadequate actor. Or at least he is misdirected by Snyder.
- Lex was fine, for what his concept was
It's interesting - the concept behind MoS and this movie remain very interesting, so much better than what garbage excuse for a storyline the two Avenger movies followed. But the execution is terrible.
It's like Snyder is trying so hard to really get it, but he doesn't. Compared to the material he draws from, he is too shallow to make it justice.
Okay so I watched this last night. Some observations
- Was better than Age of Ultron (come at me GAF) and Man of Steel
- First 40 minutes were decent, then the more the movie progresses, the worse it becomes. Kind of reminded me of MoS, which followed a similar trajectory.
- So many wtf moments. The dream scenes. What? That scene where Lois starts running and she falls down hilariously. Who thought that was ok to let in the movie?
- Wonder Woman looks too cartoonish and she also doesn't really have anything to do in the movie, except from "hey we really need to kickstart JLA"
- The last fight was awful. Videogame awful.
- The ending was lol. You do that and you end it like that 5 mins later? major wtf
- Cavil is an inadequate actor. Or at least he is misdirected by Snyder.
- Lex was fine, for what his concept was
It's interesting - the concept behind MoS and this movie remain very interesting, so much better than what garbage excuse for a storyline the two Avenger movies followed. But the execution is terrible.
It's like Snyder is trying so hard to really get it, but he doesn't. Compared to the material he draws from, he is too shallow to make it justice.
Saw it last night. The characters themselves didn't bother me much but I don't have much of an investment in the comics mind you. It just couldn't juggle all of the different narratives together and moving from scene to scene it really had no sense of a story beat or journey. When the film finished, it felt like it never even really started despite having such a lengthy run time. Things just kept happening one after another and while I liked what they were going for individually, to varying degrees between Lex, Batman, and Supes, it wasn't balanced well at all.
In the same universe with limited Villains?, there is no reason why The number one villain of one comic book character should act like the number one villain of another one within the same universe.
Lex Luthor was fine how he was ALWAYS been portrayed, What I take from this is that Snyder tried to have him as the comic relief.
He uses guns twice while fighting the Russians holding Martha hostage. In the group fight he shoots above a groups head to scare/distract him. Then he blows the dude with the flamethrower up by shooting his gas tank.
The vehicle and intimidation stuff is fine, especially with how incosistent explosions are in the film, the shooting the flamethrower was an intentional killing thougg.
lol
SuperStiltzkin
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Well I also feel like Junkie XL'score in Mad Max is a tad overrated. The wailing guitar is cool and all, but not that cool.
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