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There were some audible laughs when lex did his ding ding shit at the end to sound menacing
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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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His heart belongs to Lois now, not his mommy. That's why he can hear Lois pounding underwater during a crazy fight but not hear his mom, or even use xray to see the bomb. Not sure.
I keep thinking how any actor would have made lex more interesting to me.
First of all, he doesn't act exactly the same as other villains and we haven't even seen them in this universe. He certainly doesn't act like Joker or Riddler, all they have in common is that they're not normal people.
Personally, I like that they try to explore other interpretations of the characters instead of staying the same forever. Lex was shit in every single Superman movie until now, here he still has what makes him who he is in the comics, he just shows his sociopath side more. Now, I'm not saying you have to like him, but there's no character assassination as many are saying and he certainly isn't comic relief.
For the uninitiated:
http://youtu.be/uyPB6cKZqAY
Slightly edited version:
https://youtu.be/CUUBjA7yyRQ
It's just another metaphorical nightmare Bruce was having, like "my parents deaths created The Batman". He has nightmares like that all the time in the comics.
I abhor the movie as a whole, but I liked that scene.
Nothing to explain, really. But 'Batman' is sort of a personality within Bruce Wayne that he expresses separately from himself sometimes, like in The Dark Knight Returns. The blood from the tomb and the Bat-creature probably just means "Your parents died and you are haunted by having to be Batman because of that" in dream speak.
Because Lex knew how to hide things from Superman.
thecouncil
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Haha. That is awful, yes. The guitar riff makes me laugh and was very out of place whenever it played.
Yautja_Warrior
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Bad writing probably.
I don't think it was to sound menacing so much as to illustrate how far gone he was mentally and to tip more well versed fans off to future New Gods involvement beyond the parademon in the Knightmare sequence.
Just came back from watching it. I did enjoy it for what it was, but then again, I enjoyed MoS too. Rewatched that last night before watching this.
The beginning was really intense. I enjoyed seeing the fight between Zod and Sups from a different perspective and really showed the gravity of it all.
The dream sequences felt unnecessary. Especially where Bats is tricked and you see all those Blue Beetle looking things fighting the Superman Task Force guys. I did like the out of no where Flash telling Bruce that "You were right, he can't be trusted" but when Bruce looks at him confused, Flash is all "Am I too early?" it was trippy, though Idk what was going on with Flash's suit. I didn't like that it was, yet again, played off as a dream.
Lex was interesting, I felt that he's infatuation from the Kyptonion attack on Metropolis is what made him snap. There's really no real explanation for why he did everything he did, but that's what I felt caused him to do it....or it was just Darkseid getting to him...unless Lex found out about Darkseid from the Kyptonian computer.
The final fight was pretty enjoyable, but the constant Lois saving is a bit crazy. I'm glad I avoided a lot of spoilers leading up to the film, as I did not see Sups "dying" at all. So it did feel pretty impactful.
Using Zod's corpse to make Doomsday, I was not a fan of. I was hoping Zod's corpse would've been kept intact, just for the hopes of a Future Blackest Night storyline. Oh well....
The beginning was really intense. I enjoyed seeing the fight between Zod and Sups from a different perspective and really showed the gravity of it all.
The dream sequences felt unnecessary. Especially where Bats is tricked and you see all those Blue Beetle looking things fighting the Superman Task Force guys. I did like the out of no where Flash telling Bruce that "You were right, he can't be trusted" but when Bruce looks at him confused, Flash is all "Am I too early?" it was trippy, though Idk what was going on with Flash's suit. I didn't like that it was, yet again, played off as a dream.
Lex was interesting, I felt that he's infatuation from the Kyptonion attack on Metropolis is what made him snap. There's really no real explanation for why he did everything he did, but that's what I felt caused him to do it....or it was just Darkseid getting to him...unless Lex found out about Darkseid from the Kyptonian computer.
The final fight was pretty enjoyable, but the constant Lois saving is a bit crazy. I'm glad I avoided a lot of spoilers leading up to the film, as I did not see Sups "dying" at all. So it did feel pretty impactful.
Using Zod's corpse to make Doomsday, I was not a fan of. I was hoping Zod's corpse would've been kept intact, just for the hopes of a Future Blackest Night storyline. Oh well....
You were talking about other versions of Luthor, in every single one, Superman is his biggest threat and killing him is of his priorities.
He doesn't think Superman belongs on Earth and he's a power hungry maniac, do we really need the movie to spell out more motives or objectives?
I was one of the people laughing. The only part where I laughed, I think.
It really tells you something about how badly the movie was directed when you reliably have the opposite emotional reaction to what they were going for.
Yautja_Warrior
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The whole dream sequence thing is badly done. There's no reason why Bruce would be having dreams / visions of a possible apocalypse future. Without a reason, it makes no sense in the movie at all.
The movie might be a little better with the dreams cut out to be honest.
He would have gotten late night breakfast at McDonalds with his new son.
Two McGriddles for Doomsday.
HoodWinked
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saw this last night and im convinced they need to throw goyer into the sun the script is just a mess and its obvious the studio execs are meddling way too much.
however marvel movies have become so formulaic and predictable even down to their constant usage of the sarcastic protagonist archetype
BvS is such an antithesis of the marvel comic movies that its refreshing, you have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going to happen next. random ass flash from the future warning to batman, madmax batman, WTF congressional hearing explosion scene, batman going full john wick on some baddies.
however marvel movies have become so formulaic and predictable even down to their constant usage of the sarcastic protagonist archetype
BvS is such an antithesis of the marvel comic movies that its refreshing, you have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going to happen next. random ass flash from the future warning to batman, madmax batman, WTF congressional hearing explosion scene, batman going full john wick on some baddies.
Scientist Supreme!
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How did he know it was even going to kill superman? Like a lot things in this movie, who the fuck knows.
"But it looked cool, right?" Zack says.
He probably thought he would be able to control him since you see him perfectly content in standing in front him and surprised when he gets attacked. Or he just dosnt give a shit.
Kryptonite
Agreed. Even though I enjoyed the movie for the most part, the whole thing came across as "Ok here's the set-up for Justice League! Eat that Marvel!"
TheSlySoul
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He would give a speech about Gods.
Yeah, it would be nice.
Yautja_Warrior
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Batman stole his Kryptonite though.
Whats even more stupid is Batman, the tactician didn't realize that WW sword was cutting Doomsday and that he should have told her to give it to Superman..... But I guess Lois would not have anything to do.....
Shit writing.....
Well, I for one don't need everything to be spelled out to me.
NipplesAndToes23
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To make a long review short, I didn't like this. There were only about two good scenes in this.
Did the dream sequences seem random as hell to anyone else?
Did the dream sequences seem random as hell to anyone else?
This was actually it, he tought he could control him, when he saw he couldnt he probrably tought "YOLO"
You need a word in the first place. Otherwise you are just reading off random letters.
They did. This movie is largely Terrio's script.
I'd say this is most likely. Also Superman really REALLY didn't give shit about people in this film. Courthouse gets blown to fuck and he's back in the apartment feeling mopey with Lois. Smashing that dude through the wall would have disintegrated him too. I thought he was supposed to have become the Superman we know and love after the destruction and Zod death in MoS.
Scientist Supreme!
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What a weak argument. lol
I love how Terrio was brought in to fix Goyer's mess, but retroactively he made Goyer's mess seem not all that Bad!
Goyer should redact his writing credit on BvS, or at least tweet out that he had next to nothing to do with this mess, just to stick it to Snyder.
I genuinely think that this Superman is even worse than the MoS take. Hes so cold and self absorbed for most of the film.
peanutbutterlatte
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Make a remake of Boardwalk Empire with Doomsday playing Michael Shannon's character. No tense back and forth with Nucky, just laser vision'd bootlegger.
This Batman is the most literal interpretation of the Caped Crusader I've seen on the silver screen so far. He's on a crusade against Superman, and the only thing he has at this point is his conviction that he can leave a legacy for the world. His means are medieval, the branding of foes, how he's standing there as a dark knight in shining armour.
Everything he does in this film up until the fight is to make this crusade a success. He knows from the beginning the White Portuguese is delivering a weapon that can kill his enemy, that is revealed when Alfred starts calling him out on his lies.
It's no coincidence that the weapon he forges is a spear. A weapon that is extremely similar to the Holy Lance, the lance of Longinus, the spear of Destiny, the weapon that pierced the side of Jesus as he hung on the cross. And in this film Superman is helpless the moment Batman wants to stab him.
In this universe this character makes sense.
TheSlySoul
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I just realize something, the pearls at the start.
They break because of the gun recoil.
Not because they were grabbed like every other version of Bruce's history.
WHY?
They break because of the gun recoil.
Not because they were grabbed like every other version of Bruce's history.
WHY?
Gee, I wonder why an evil megalomaniac genius who has a tremendous amount of power and obviously stops at nothing to get more would want to get rid of a Demigod that can stop his ambitions?
What ambitions are you referring to?
Are you talking about Zach Snyder or Lex Luthor?
thecouncil
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"It looked cool, didn't it?" can explain a lot of things.
This discussion of the film make a great point that didn't even occur to me 4 minutes in.
"Superman is kind of like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen"
Yeah, he is. How did I not make that connection.
That's why he sucks so much. He's a cold, detached, 'above it all' being, the complete opposite of comic Superman who is as down to Earth as a person can get.
"Superman is kind of like Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen"
Yeah, he is. How did I not make that connection.
That's why he sucks so much. He's a cold, detached, 'above it all' being, the complete opposite of comic Superman who is as down to Earth as a person can get.
Do we really need him to twirl his (imaginary) mustache and go "I want to take over the world! Mwahahah!".
He's evil. He has no regard for life. He's immensely powerful. He has pull with the US government. He works with terrorists in other countries and orchestrated something that leads to the slaughter of a village.
It's obvious that a man like him will always want more and more power and Superman stands in his way, there is no reason for them to add yet another plot point and give him another immediate specific purpose other than "just" killing the most powerful man on earth who can stop him and who he thinks doesn't belong on the planet. It also doesn't hurt that in the process he gains access to alien knowledge that could give him even more power.
Why not both?
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