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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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I don't think this film deserves it's ~30% on RT... it's a 50%-60% at most.

This movie has so many issues. This movie is both bloated and needed more time.

All the JL set-up/Knightmare sequel was needless bloat. That Flash cameo was horrible. It just made things confusing and is just there for a callback in the future.

Didn't mind Eisenburg's Lex. Although, for an evil genius, he leaves a trail a mile wide.

It was neat to see the Trinity on screen for the first time, but that fight, aside from Wonder Woman, was a load of hooey. They don't even interact together, at all. It's so unsatisfying.

Lois was completely pointless this entire movie. Outside of giving Superman motivation to be Superman, she was given so much filler material in this movie.

Man... what a squandered opportunity. and a bad first step for the DCCU.



A lot people seem to be irked by Batman wantonly killing. I didn't really mind it. We've had versions of that before. (Just look at Keaton's Batman.)
 
Obliterator said:
The "retelling" is a litteraly less than 5 minute scene. It was well done
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Five minutes that could be spent on my Robins! :P

More seriously, I know it was in there for Martha, which is actually kind of a nice change since she gets ignored so much, but I don't think the scene being here or in the solo Batman movie is a huge deal.

Ragnorok64 said:
Also why did they waste Mercy like that?
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Snyder wanted to do something "fun" with Mercy.

You know, more fun than giving her an actual fight scene. :/
 
Caja 117 said:
Doomsday without Luthors DNA would had been a Kriptonian, the machine warned that Kripton council baned any sort of cross species breading as it brought mutations, Doomsday looked and act like he was in the movie because of the combination of Kriptonian DNA and Human DNA.....I would love to see Clark and Lois kids.
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what was the point of the computer telling Luthor that cross-breeding was forbidden if he could just say "naw son" and override it

everything about this movie sucks
 
Prime crotch said:
All of Batman's dreams have Superman imagery on it, or straight up Superman. Bruce being lifted up by the bats on a movie where he has a traumatic experience by an alien who can fly and is equated to a god. GEEE WHY WONDER IF WE SHOULD KEEP THIS SCENE
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No. You probably shouldn't. Because Zack Snyder has the subtlety of a fucking jackhammer, and people were laughing their ass off in my theater when that happened.

Same reason you shouldn't have Superman strike Christ poses or literally be framed next to a stain-glass image of Jesus. Because Zack Snyder has the most ham-fisted approach to symbolism.
 
jrh2 said:
what was the point of the computer telling Luthor that cross-breeding was forbidden if he could just say "naw son" and override it
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Exposition. It was a way to tell viewers what he was doing.

Otherwise, you'd just have people asking what the hell he did in the ship.
 
jrh2 said:
what was up with the random title card at the beginning?

METROPOLIS

MANKIND IS INTRODUCED TO THE SUPERMAN

I thought for sure they would continue that convention throughout the movie and use chapter titles similar to something Tarantino would do

but no, of course they didn't

I don't even know what this movie is anymore
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It was taken from an alternate timeline better Batman v Superman movie.
 
fallengorn said:
I don't think this film deserves it's ~30% on RT... it's a 50%-60% at most.

This movie has so many issues. This movie is both bloated and needed more time.

All the JL set-up/Knightmare sequel was needless bloat. That Flash cameo was horrible. It just made things confusing and is just there for a callback in the future.

Didn't mind Eisenburg's Lex. Although, for an evil genius, he leaves a trail a mile wide.

It was neat to see the Trinity on screen for the first time, but that fight, aside from Wonder Woman, was a load of hooey. They don't even interact together, at all. It's so unsatisfying.

Lois was completely pointless this entire movie. Outside of giving Superman motivation to be Superman, she was given so much filler material in this movie.

Man... what a squandered opportunity. and a bad first step for the DCCU.



A lot people seem to be irked by Batman wantonly killing. I didn't really mind it. We've had versions of that before. (Just look at Keaton's Batman.)
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The problem is so many people are focusing on the RT% (It's actually at 29% now) and not the actual average rating.

The average rating is a 5/10. It's just that a lot of critics gave this a 5 instead of a 6 which is why the RT is so low. It's not a 3/10 film, but at a glance that's how it's perceived
 
jrh2 said:
what was the point of the computer telling Luthor that cross-breeding was forbidden if he could just say "naw son" and override it

everything about this movie sucks
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It was programmed that way. I wonder if also had programming to subdue an actual Kryptonian in the event they attempted such a thing.
 
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
 
thecouncil said:
Jimmy Olsen got a bullet in the head about 60 seconds after his introduction. She got off light.
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They never even said his name on screen so there was no impact. Could they still back-peddle on that and imagine the credits don't exist? If the credits on the video release change him to "photographer" we knew something is up.
 
fallengorn said:
Lois was completely pointless this entire movie. Outside of giving Superman motivation to be Superman, she was given so much filler material in this movie.
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Her relationship with Clark is one of the bright points in the movie for me. Plus, she was the only one who seemed to care that Clark was being set up. He didn't care to do any investigating himself.

The whole staff thing was dumb though.

And beaten.
 
Sub_Level said:
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
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Lol.. I was like.... really? ok then.. the whole thing was just horrible
 
Sub_Level said:
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
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Writing from an Oscar award winner.

It's such a fucking mess, and such a shame. It had real potential.
 
I am going to say something controversial: ​George Lucas would have made a better Batman v Superman movie than Snyder if he wrote and directed it. Lucas's versions of the characters would probably be more tolerable than what they are now. I would rather have whiny superman over to the charisma blackhole that he is in Snyder's film.

The editing would actually make more sense if this was Lucas project. There would be actual scene transitions and establishing shots. I am willing to bet the scenes would feel more connected and have more of a sense of flow.
 
jrh2 said:
what was the point of the computer telling Luthor that cross-breeding was forbidden if he could just say "naw son" and override it

everything about this movie sucks
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thats a computer that is programed to give that warning in case someone tries it, is like when a car tells you to put your seatbelt on, the car will warn you, but is not going to stop you from driving without seatbelts.
 
Sub_Level said:
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
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Probably the worst piece of writing in the entire movie and that is saying a lot.
 
surprised they didn't fridge Wonder Woman at some point in this movie along with Lois and Martha-2

Caja 117 said:
thats a computer that is programed to give that warning in case someone tries it, is like when a car tells you to put your seatbelt on, the car will warn you, but is not going to stop you from driving without seatbelts.
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no, what I'm saying is, why put it in the movie? It's little things like this that get to me. You write something in that complicates the plot and then you write something in attempt to bypass that complication that just fills time when instead you could just get rid of the complication in the first place

this movie is the antithesis of streamlined, like 80% of its runtime is useless padding
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
So did anyone like those Justice League tie ins?
Thought all of it was extremely lame, especially the Aquaman one.
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Aquaman one needed to be trimmed down so Ronon didn't stare at the camera for a solid four hours before spearing it. The Cyborg one just wasn't that well acted or something, was kinda cheesy for whatever reason. I thought the Flash one was quite good.
 
Sub_Level said:
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
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You forgot that Lois once again tossed the spear when Superman retrieved it.

Someone should of just handed it to Wonder Woman. She was holding her own and would have done the job nice and clean.
 
Can someone please answer me this.


I just saw film


Did they really just kill superman ? I am not an expert at Comics and that was ridiculous.


I saw the dirt move so I assume and hope he is not dead.
 
Sub_Level said:
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
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I am curious how people who loved the movie will defend this scene, ha ha.
 
Sub_Level said:
Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.
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What version of Batman ever would not have secured that spear before flying off? Also how did Lois know they would have needed the spear against Doomsday.
 
JrBaconCheeseburger said:
Can someone please answer me this.


I just saw film


Did they really just kill superman ? I am not an expert at Comics and that was ridiculous.


I saw the dirt move so I assume and hope he is not dead.
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I mean... the heartbeat at the end is literally saying he's still alive. He's going to be in Justice League. It's the Dark Knight Returns ending, but with Supes in the casket instead of Bats.
 
jrh2 said:
surprised they didn't fridge Wonder Woman at some point in this movie along with Lois and Martha-2
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People seem pretty convinced Lois will be fridged in the next movies so there's still time.

3N16MA said:
You forgot that Lois once again tossed the spear when Superman retrieved it.

Someone should of just handed it to Wonder Woman. She was holding her own and would have done the job nice and clean.
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That's what I thought was going to happen. Have Clark fly and tell her while he holds the fort and she goes and gets it. It would have taken about the same amount of time as Clark flying to Doomsday while weakened.
 
thecouncil said:
Jimmy Olsen got a bullet in the head about 60 seconds after his introduction. She got off light.
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I thought there was no Jimmy Olsen, that the girl at the Daily Planet was Jenny Olsen, and that was that? From Man of Steel?

Was that really Jimmy?

Does Snyder just hate Jimmy and Mercy? Only reason I can think of for offing them both in the way they were.
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
So did anyone like those Justice League tie ins?
Thought all of it was extremely lame, especially the Aquaman one.
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Honestly, I don't think so.

First off, they didn't do much. All they did was use their super speed in the most generic way imaginable. Flash flashed out a random robber, Aquaman had a staring contest with a camera, Cyborg had a seizure, and wonder woman had a picture with a group of women from long ago.

Of those, Wonder Woman's was the most interesting because they atleast intrigued me as to what she was doing with that group of soldier women. It sounds like an interesting story.

But everyone else? All it tells me is "Yup, those sure are those superheroes, with those powers" instead of doing something unique or new.
 
Shaanyboi said:
I get the point of it just fine. I'm saying you don't need it. You don't need to spell it out so fucking blatantly because people aren't idiots. It's Man of Steel Christ imagery all over again.
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I AM JESUS, I AM JESUS

That floating scene did look pretty funny also heh.
 
Ragnorok64 said:
What version of Batman ever would not have secured that spear before flying off? Also how did Lois know they would have needed the spear against Doomsday.
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Batman was too busy thinking about various Marthas.

Lois has the Clairvoyant ghost of Jor-el inhabiting her mind. It makes bathtub sexytime with Clark awkward, but it comes in handy when she needs to go fetch a plot spear.
 
Wanderer5 said:
I AM JESUS, I AM JESUS

That floating scene did look pretty funny also heh.
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The Day of the Dead scene almost killed me with I AM JESUS.

Caja 117 said:
I actually laughed on how silly it looked that Superman went for the spear and seconds later he was floating unconsius.
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I love the throwing it to get it away from him. Like just toss it to the side. Throwing it was purely so he could look cool picking it up.
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
What a waste of fucking time on such bullshit.
We all know he's coming back and didn't even have balls stick to through this movie.
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Justice League is literally coming out next year. Of course Superman is going to be in it. Frankly, trying to play it off as a big mystery would be a bigger waste of time.
 
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