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[Cooter]

Honestly, I don't think so.

First off, they didn't do much. All they did was use their super speed in the most generic way imaginable. Flash flashed out a random robber, Aquaman had a staring contest with a camera, Cyborg had a seizure, and wonder woman had a picture with a group of women from long ago.

Of those, Wonder Woman's was the most interesting because they atleast intrigued me as to what she was doing with that group of soldier women. It sounds like an interesting story.

But everyone else? All it tells me is "Yup, those sure are those superheroes, with those powers" instead of doing something unique or new.

Those weren't women. One was Chris Pine (Steve Trevor) and the rest were also men I think.

 

[Dalek]

Never mind

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

Thanks to all for reply

 

[BronsonLee]

The funniest part of the movie was Superman turning into a buoy because he had to go get the fucking spear

 

[fallengorn]

Her relationship with Clark is one of the bright points in the movie for me. Plus, she was the only one who seemed to care that Clark was being set up. He didn't care to do any investigating himself.

The whole staff thing was dumb though.

And beaten.

Her investigation was pointless. I mean, I'm sure it helped get Luthor jailed, but any information it uncovered (like KGBeast working for Luthor) was revealed to viewers already. It's just not a economical use of time or story.

So did anyone like those Justice League tie ins?
Thought all of it was extremely lame, especially the Aquaman one.

Awful use of time. I wished they left that stuff to the end (like Bruce showing Wonder Woman the data after the funeral) because it just clogs the movie up. It's like watching a commercial in the middle of a movie.

 

[EscoBlades]

All those people just begging to touch the hem of his cape

There was even a cross being held in the background.

 

[Dahbomb]

I am curious how people who loved the movie will defend this scene, ha ha.

The scene is written terribly but I can understand why Lois threw the spear in the water, she didn't want it used against Superman again. So out of all that mess, that part at least made sense.

You can fill in the hole that she figured out that Doomsday was going to be weak to Kryptonite due to her talk with Lex Luthor.

Her almost drowning out from the rubble is a really bad plot contrivance in order for Superman to come in and save her then use the spear himself while WW was distracting Doomsday.

 

[Alienous]

Justice League is literally coming out next year. Of course Superman is going to be in it. Frankly, trying to play it off as a big mystery would be a bigger waste of time.

The longer they keep Cavill Superman dead the better.

But this cinematic universe is fucked from the get go.

 

[thecouncil]

I thought there was no Jimmy Olsen, that the girl at the Daily Planet was Jenny Olsen, and that was that? From Man of Steel?

Was that really Jimmy?

Does Snyder just hate Jimmy and Mercy? Only reason I can think of for offing them both in the way they were.

he's listed in the credits. also,

Snyder revealed why he opted to introduce -- and swiftly kill off -- the character in this manner, telling EW they "just did it as this little aside" since they "don't have room for Jimmy Olsen in [their] big pantheon of characters." While the character isn't mentioned by name in the theatrical release, the "Ultimate Edition" includes a scene in which he introduces himself to Lois as Jimmy Olsen.

 

[ArmGunar]

What a waste of fucking time on such bullshit.
We all know he's coming back and didn't even have balls stick to through this movie.

We all know the Avengers members will reunite in Infinity War, it won't prevent the Civil War's story from being surely good

 

[Caja 117]

Those weren't women. One was Chris Pine (Steve Trevor) and the rest were also men I think.

Im guessing they are going to do a tie in with that Photo in te Wonder Woman movie.

 

[Disgraced]

It was an Intelligent Qube.

 

[Discotheque]

The funniest part of the movie was Superman turning into a buoy because he had to go get the fucking spear

A few people cackled in the theater at that and also Lois faceplanting when she went for the spear

That fucking spear. 3rd funniest character of the movie after Alfred and Perry

 

[duckroll]

I am curious how people who loved the movie will defend this scene, ha ha.

What's there to defend? The movie is filled with stuff like that throughout. Unnecessary scenes that serve only to bridge unnecessary scenes, characters doing stuff which they have to undo shortly after, etc. You can still enjoy and love a film for the larger picture despite tons of smaller problems all over. It's not a zero sum game.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Im guessing they are going to do a tie in with that Photo in te Wonder Woman movie.

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a scene where they take that exact photo in the WW movie.

 

[bananafactory]

Can someone please answer me this.


I just saw film


Did they really just kill superman ? I am not an expert at Comics and that was ridiculous.


I saw the dirt move so I assume and hope he is not dead.

The Superman is dead

Bury it

 

[Kyosaiga]

You know a movie is bad is where I feel like Goyer would've handled this script a lot better than Terrio.

How do you fuck this up so bad?!

 

[Dalek]

A few people cackled in the theater at that and also Lois faceplanting when she went for the spear

That fucking spear. 3rd funniest character of the movie after Alfred and Perry

It was so dumb. So so dumb.

"Whelp. I won't be needing this thing anymore."

*splash*

 

[Cooter]

Wouldn't be surprised if there is a scene where they take that exact photo in the WW movie.

Book it

 

[deadlast]

Other than Doomsday looking like the Troll from LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring, I liked the movie. It could have been better, but ZS kind of sucks so this was good.

I think all of the negative press was good. Made me lower my expectations.

 

[TheSlySoul]

You can still enjoy and love a film for the larger picture despite tons of smaller problems all over. It's not a zero sum game.

I agree as well.
Just found it funny people defending the nitpicks and I was curious if they try with that one.

 

[BronsonLee]

A few people cackled in the theater at that and also Lois faceplanting when she went for the spear

That fucking spear. 3rd funniest character of the movie after Alfred and Perry

Lois went to the Maggie Grace School of Running/Falling/Doing Anything

You know a movie is bad is where I feel like Goyer would've handled this script a lot better than Terrio.

How do you fuck this up so bad?!

Goyer probably did the Knightmare sequence, for what it's worth

 

[Shaanyboi]

You know a movie is bad is where I feel like Goyer would've handled this script a lot better than Terrio.

How do you fuck this up so bad?!

I don't believe that for a second. Don't start asking for Goyer back because Snyder has a fucked idea of what makes superheroes cool.

 

[Sanjuro]

But then who takes out the monster

Trump. It's going to be great.

 

[Discotheque]

What's there to defend? The movie is filled with stuff like that throughout. Unnecessary scenes that serve only to bridge unnecessary scenes, characters doing stuff which they have to undo shortly after, etc. You can still enjoy and love a film for the larger picture despite tons of smaller problems all over. It's not a zero sum game.

Yeah I give this a 5/10 but I still kinda like it. As opposed to other 5 or 4s or less movies that I despise

There's a lot of stupid in here but also some absolutely great things too

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

The spear antics made logical sense for the characters, Lois disposed of it because it was an anti-superman weapon, not aware she was going to need it again so soon. But was inefficient from a narrative standpoint. I wouldn't have bothered filming those scenes. Still, complaining about stuff like that feels very much like we've entered the nitpick zone. Those aren't movie ruining type things by any stretch.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

We all know the Avengers members will reunite in Infinity War, it won't prevent the Civil War's story from being surely good

Sure, I guess.
I just truly don't get what you gain from killing him off except for some cheap emotional beat.
Like the comic it's just a stunt but no one cares about it this time.

 

[Dahbomb]

Honestly it seemed like the first half was Terrio's work and the 2nd half was Goyer's.

The political thriller stuff seemed right up Terrio alley and the Doomsday stuff seemed more like Goyer.

But of course there's no way to know this.

 

[Dead]

Y'all talking like Goyer already fucked off for this movie.

This was originally his script, so the claims for him coming back make no sense at all

 

[duckroll]

You know a movie is bad is where I feel like Goyer would've handled this script a lot better than Terrio.

How do you fuck this up so bad?!

With Prometheus we can actually compare the original script by writer A with the final one by writer B. Do we have an actual comparison of Goyers original script of BvS with the final script by Terrio? Who fucked what up?

 

[Obliterator]

What's there to defend? The movie is filled with stuff like that throughout. Unnecessary scenes that serve only to bridge unnecessary scenes, characters doing stuff which they have to undo shortly after, etc. You can still enjoy and love a film for the larger picture despite tons of smaller problems all over. It's not a zero sum game.

Yep good post. I enjoyed the movie even though I know its filled with tons of little inconsistent parts and rough edges. I also wasn't going in trying to pick it apart, just sit down and enjoy it. And for the most part I did

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I wonder who came up with Superman's Pa Kent hallucination.

 

[Disgraced]

The blood runs free
The rain turns red
Give me the wine
You keep the bread
The voices echo in my head
Is God alive or is God dead?
Is God dead?

 

[duckroll]

Yeah I give this a 5/10 but I still kinda like it. As opposed to other 5 or 4s or less movies that I despise

There's a lot of stupid in here but also some absolutely great things too

I don't like giving scores, but I'll say that I'll take ten BvSs no matter how flawed, over another AoU or Spectre which feel completely devoid of soul or passion.

 

[Alienous]

You know a movie is bad is where I feel like Goyer would've handled this script a lot better than Terrio.

How do you fuck this up so bad?!

Not understanding the characters and being pushed by the director into making bad writing choices.

No way Terrio wanted all those The Dark Knight Returns references in the film. Snyder told him what he wanted to get into the film, and Terrio had to connect the dots and did a bad job of it. It isn't easy getting from Man of Steel to The Dark Knight Returns to The Death of Superman, while trying to tell a coherent and engaging story, and also trying to hint at the sequel.

Compare that to Man of Steel, a simple story that makes sense and progresses well, and Batman v Superman is jarringly bad. It's not a good story, it's a collection of iconic comic book moments stitched together with a poor plot.

 

[Shaanyboi]

With Prometheus we can actually compare the original script by writer A with the final one by writer B. Do we have an actual comparison of Goyers original script of BvS with the final script by Terrio? Who fucked what up?

Well Terrio is the one who apparently wanted to hold Superman accountable for his actions, which atleast thematically was one of the more interesting parts of the movie. Without that, what the fuck would this movie have been?

 

[Kyne]

Glad I didn't have to pay for my tickets. What a let down.

I literally said "what the fuck" out loud, by accident during one of the scenes and the entire theater bursted out laughing.

Note: the entire theater was filled with a game studio.

 

[Pau]

Sure, I guess.
I just truly don't get what you gain from killing him off except for some cheap emotional beat.
Like the comic it's just a stunt but no one cares about it this time.

For me, the purpose of comic book style deaths is their impact on other characters and their world, not the audience.

Whether or not that worked here is up to you. But I do think that was what they were going for, instead of a cheap emotional beat. Maybe I'm giving Snyder too much credit.

 

[Cooter]

The spear antics made logical sense for the characters, Lois disposed of it because it was an anti-superman weapon, not aware she was going to need it again so soon. But was inefficient from a narrative standpoint. I wouldn't have bothered filming those scenes. Still, complaining about stuff like that feels very much like we've entered the nitpick zone. Those aren't movie ruining type things by any stretch.

We entered it days ago and everyone has a sunburn from its rays.

 

[deadlast]

I wonder who came up with Superman's Pa Kent hallucination.

Can survive a Nuke, the cold/thin air causes major hallucinations.
Needed it to give supes a reason to kill himself.

 

[hal9001]

Batman was too busy thinking about various Marthas.

deleted scene R-cut:

 

[duckroll]

Well Terrio is the one who apparently wanted to hold Superman accountable for his actions, which atleast thematically was one of the more interesting parts of the movie. Without that, what the fuck would this movie have been?

That makes no sense, considering how Goyer was on board from the start when this was announced as Batman v Superman, and the point was to have a ideological conflict based on how Batman felt Superman should be held accountable for the actions of Man of Steel.

Let's be honest though, the writers here are just to facilitate the implementation of the story. The real big beats likely all came from Snyder as the director who is telling the writers the sort of story and the ingredients he wants.

 

[Bizazedo]

Can someone explain to me why people thought Superman was responsible for the people who died who were killed by bullets in Africa?

I thought it was that it was reported the Warlord's troops came back and killed people in retribution of Superman's actions and they blamed that on Supes for some reason, but I've seen other people post different versions.

Also, why did Superman not save Jimmy? .

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Can someone explain to me why people thought Superman was responsible for the people who died who were killed by bullets in Africa?

I thought it was that it was reported the Warlord's troops came back and killed people in retribution of Superman's actions and they blamed that on Supes for some reason, but I've seen other people post different versions.

Also, why did Superman not save Jimmy? .

I don't think them dying by bullets was public knowledge. I don't think they made it an explicit coverup in the film but that's the impression I got. I'm a bit fuzzy though, it might have been something else like Superman wrecked security and then some enemies came in and killed everyone because of his interference. Idk.

 

[Wanderer5]

Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.

And then Lois throws the spear to some spot in the rubble between her/superman and the fight.

Yeeeeeeah that was kind of silly lol.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Batman tosses spear to rubble.

Lois finds spear and tosses it into pool.

Lois goes into pool and almost drowns.

Superman saves Lois, goes into pool, and almost drowns.

Lois saves Superman and gets the spear.

The storytelling masterpiece of our generation.

What version of Batman ever would not have secured that spear before flying off? Also how did Lois know they would have needed the spear against Doomsday.

Sooo stupid..geezuz..

 

[Narag]

Honestly thought Aquaman was going to emerge with the spear and save the day when she threw it away.

 

[fallengorn]

deleted scene R-cut:

I want you to remember, Clark... In all the years to come... In your most private moments... I banged your mom.

 

[Alienous]

And why does Lex Luthor supply the mercenaries with LexCorp brand bullets?

 

[Pau]

Can someone explain to me why people thought Superman was responsible for the people who died who were killed by bullets in Africa?

I thought it was that it was reported the Warlord's troops came back and killed people in retribution of Superman's actions and they blamed that on Supes for some reason, but I've seen other people post different versions.

Also, why did Superman not save Jimmy? .

Clark probably has no idea who the fuck Jimmy is.

Also, what I understood was that people blamed Superman because the troops themselves did the killing in reaction to Superman randomly showing up. Lois was trying to prove that it was a set up and Superman's actions wouldn't have led to that unless they were ordered to do it by Lex.