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Street Fighter V patch releasing March 28th, Alex on the 30th, more info
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Secret Character
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This is the same with Dictator. It makes his EX cancels comboable when he's in Trigger mode.
lucebuce12
Member
1 Hour and 40 minutes.
It's under options in the trials.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Tizoc
Member
Wicked thanks.
It's dumb that trials display defaults to move names. I started Ryu's trial, and it listed his target combo 2 (sMP HP HK) as "Sanrengeki". How is an english speaker supposed to figure out what they meant by that without checking the moves list?
I've changed it to motions in the options, but every time I start a new trial I have to change it again.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
There's lots of stuff that isn't obvious to most players tho: option selects, negative edge, one/three frame links, cancels vs. links, kara throws, fuzzy guard, mix ups, cross-ups, and the list goes on. I don't have a copy of SFV atm to claim it there (tho the vids I've seen confirm it), but SFIV was piss-poor at communicating those things to the player in its trails. You wouldn't know if a hit was a one-frame link until after ages of practice and wondering what you did wrong.
These games at the very least could include information on those techniques and break each step of the trail challenge down to highlight which of those actions are being implemented at which step, and during which frame timing windows. And a reference legend for players to remind themselves of what those things are they can check out any time, right there in the game.
The trials could also be better if they taught things other than combos, like safe pokes, good meaties on wakeup, optimal reversals, optimal counters, etc. All of this information is left out of the way for the average player and is a hell of a lot more useful than learning a bunch of combos you'll likely never use (or land) in a real fight more than 20% of the time if that.
Omnistalgic
Member
Alex looks really fun...mobile grappler hmmm...doesn't seem to be mixup based like mika either
Much of the stuff you're talking about is included in the demonstrations they just released.
Yeah, the trials could be incredibly detailed, but that's an insane amount of programming work to expect in-game though. You can get infinitely deep. Where do you stop? At what point is it not worth the resources to program all that, especially if the game is being rebalanced over time. The game itself is not going to realistically teach you very single advanced technique, set-up, etc. If they try to do all of that for every character, there won't be any resources left for the game itself. I don't think it's reasonable to expect such a thing, honestly.
mullet2000
Member
Also, I've only done Karin's challenges so maybe this is just her, but her combos are crappy and unrealistic. A few are really hard to link, and can be linked to different moves more easily and for more damage. Doesn't make sense.
Omnistalgic
Member
you are speaking from a place of ignorance though. Option selects and one frame links are not important to SFV, and a lot of the demonstrations cover things you mentioned.
It is basic, but it is well done. And the trials should not be about Bnb combos (tho some are there) IMO, the flashy non practical stuff is there to show off what the character can do, you implement your own play style.
Omnistalgic
Member
Again trials are about flashy combos and exploring the potential of your character. Why do easy Bnb when as you said, you are already aware of most of them? It is also a sense of accomplishment beating everyone's trials for the player, as well as seeing normals you may not be as familiar with and there linking capabilities.
What people are asking for is an extension of the character demonstration. I don't think "how to effectively play the character" is really what trials are about.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I was surprised how many of hers start w/ jumping hard kick. The game seems to emphasize jumping meaties a lot to start combos. Yeah you don't have to start w/ jumping hard kick, but the game starts lots of her combos w/ that b/c in the team's logic that is the optimal form of the combo.
The trails should focus more on making sure new players understand the fundamentals of what it takes to be competitive, and memorizing long three/one-frame link combos is the last thing on that list.
They're not important in the sense where you live or die by knowing them, sure, but if you don't know them and your opponent does, 9/10 your opponent is going to have a much better chance to beat you because of it. But then again your opponent is likely the sort that watches all the advanced videos or frequents sites like Shoryuken, and are probably seasoned. What about those who are at the stage where they have an understanding of some of the basics, may know a BnB, but needs work on understanding specific hidden systems? The trails do nothing for them. You are just practicing insane somewhat-unrealistic-online combos on a dummy who stands there and does nothing. Your opponent won't do that in a real fight unless they're sandbagging you.
Why shouldn't they be about the BnBs and basics? Realistically, a player will not be doing the trail combos in real matches unless they already know how to take advantage of any opportunity that arises to perform them. Which means they need to know about things like zoning, wake-up options, etc. It's like trying to teach a person how to drive an F1 car when they can't even drive manual.
It shouldn't be too difficult. Most of it would just be pop-up menus with text descriptions, and brief videos to give you an idea for some things. Like this character here can use crouching Mid Punch as an anti-air, and let's show you the timing for doing so against all opponents, including if there's any difference in timing vs. say Y opponent over X opponent.
They already provide the video demonstrations for the trails, it would not be conceivably magnitudes more work to do this.
MasterHoodie
Member
Fuck the fact that you can't buy Survival colors.
professor denim
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mullet2000
Member
Has someone put together an image of all the new colours? Dumb that you can't preview them before buying.
spindashing
Banned
Break my legs if this has been posted already.
oh no
MasterHoodie
Member
You can't buy colors 3-10 from the shop, and need to complete survival mode on easy, medium, and hard to get them for every character, and every costume.
im not too torn up because the better ones (for me) are under easy/Normal and the ones u can buy.
I do wish they would kind of tweak survival though.....maybe have Hard be 30 matches instead and Hell 50. I want my FM!!!
The solution isn't to introduce P2W, it's to make Survival not Diablo Hardcore mode.
His stance is based on his 3rd strike one where his legs jut out the opposite direction.
Capcom just kinda went overboard with the stance.
MasterHoodie
Member
I'd pay IRL money if that meant I never had to play that fuck awful mode ever again.
a few charaters do have basic bnbs. A lot of Laura's and Cammy's are stuff that will get used in an actual match for example. Wanting trials to be useful is fine. Right now they mostly seem to be a couple of useful combos and some busy work.
im not too torn up because the better ones (for me) are under easy/Normal and the ones u can buy.
I do wish they would kind of tweak survival though.....maybe have Hard be 30 matches instead and Hell 50. I want my FM!!!
Depends on the character. Laura has a slick black color that requires beating Hard to unlock.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I'm aware of that. My issue is that for less seasoned players (the so-called casuals Capcom wants to draw in) this will encourage bad jumping habits. There should be more trails that emphasize staying on the ground and using some smart zoning to set up your combos.
Break my legs if this has been posted already.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thats a shame....id be more willing to play it if like i said Hard was 30 or 35 matches and Hell 50.
Keep easy 10 and make normal 20
The Lone Dragon
Member
I'm starting to wonder if you people ever saw Alex before.
THAT IS WHAT HIS STANCE LOOKS LIKE.
THAT IS WHAT HIS STANCE ALWAYS LOOKED LIKE.
『Inaba Resident』;199656906 said:
Thank you.
Jaded Alyx
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I don't think option selects and one-frame links exist in SFV.
Teknopathetic
Member
"I don't think option selects and one-frame links exist in SFV."
Option Selects are still around, they're just different/do different things.
Option Selects are still around, they're just different/do different things.
agree with this, doing chuns almost all of hers are jump ins
『Inaba Resident』;199656906 said:
Seriously, are most of the complainers just people who never played SF3 and don't know who Alex is? It's clear his 3rd strike stance is what they're going for.
So...like his 3 stance?
RedAssedApe
Banned
^ people trying phish for things to ding this game on at every chance they get i guess
Indeed.
ghosttouchdowns
Member
Like the win animation, its clear that it looks awful in 3d. Nostalgia is fine if it fits, but to blindly follow old looks "just because" is dumb. It worked for Karin, but it looks bad on Alex.
//ARCANUM
Member
Break my legs if this has been posted already.
this is incredible.
Love Alex so far - he's great! Edit: except the fact that his front leg during his stance does indeed look as if his knee is bending unnaturally (see post below).
That said, call me the biggest casual there is, but just like with IV, some of these so-called entry level trial combos are nearly impossible to do for me (on a gamepad). I just tried Ryu's and could not get past no. 7 after barely managing some of the others. I especially have difficulty with (A) any combo that starts with a jumping attack due to needing to master the timing of the attack itself before doing the rest of the combo, (B) with those that require a Shoryuken followed by a Critical art Hadoken due to the commands overlapping and the Critical coming out instead of the Shoryuken, and (C) those involving his V-trigger due to it staying activated after each failed attempt.
I simply can't fathom the finger dexterity needed to perform some of these once, let alone reliably in battle (on a gamepad) and I really have to wonder what they are worth to me as a basic player who at this stage wants to learn about spacing, when to use which attack type, when and how to use V-triggers effectively by themselves, and some very basic 2/3 hit combo's. To think the game goes from the intro tutorial that shows you how to walk forward to having you do 6 step combo's using jump-ins, special moves and Critical arts is like asking a first time car driver to compete in a Formula 1 Race as his second step.
Is Is there really no better way to teach me this stuff Capcom? Why can't I for instance do things in slow motion (with built-in pauses after each step until I do the next step correctly) to get used to the timing and button inputs, or have an indicator on screen that shows me if I pressed buttons too quickly or slowly. Or any other helpful tool besides having to choose to display either the names of the required moves or their inputs? And the worst part: you only get FM for trials if you manage to complete all of them for a character, so I might as well try no. 10 a few times and quit alltogether if I can't do that one.
If fighting games can only be really enjoyed when one can do combos like these reliably, then IV and now V essentially have made me aware that I'll never get to enjoy them fully. I'm not sure if Capcom had that as a goal in mind with them. Sigh...
That said, call me the biggest casual there is, but just like with IV, some of these so-called entry level trial combos are nearly impossible to do for me (on a gamepad). I just tried Ryu's and could not get past no. 7 after barely managing some of the others. I especially have difficulty with (A) any combo that starts with a jumping attack due to needing to master the timing of the attack itself before doing the rest of the combo, (B) with those that require a Shoryuken followed by a Critical art Hadoken due to the commands overlapping and the Critical coming out instead of the Shoryuken, and (C) those involving his V-trigger due to it staying activated after each failed attempt.
I simply can't fathom the finger dexterity needed to perform some of these once, let alone reliably in battle (on a gamepad) and I really have to wonder what they are worth to me as a basic player who at this stage wants to learn about spacing, when to use which attack type, when and how to use V-triggers effectively by themselves, and some very basic 2/3 hit combo's. To think the game goes from the intro tutorial that shows you how to walk forward to having you do 6 step combo's using jump-ins, special moves and Critical arts is like asking a first time car driver to compete in a Formula 1 Race as his second step.
Is Is there really no better way to teach me this stuff Capcom? Why can't I for instance do things in slow motion (with built-in pauses after each step until I do the next step correctly) to get used to the timing and button inputs, or have an indicator on screen that shows me if I pressed buttons too quickly or slowly. Or any other helpful tool besides having to choose to display either the names of the required moves or their inputs? And the worst part: you only get FM for trials if you manage to complete all of them for a character, so I might as well try no. 10 a few times and quit alltogether if I can't do that one.
If fighting games can only be really enjoyed when one can do combos like these reliably, then IV and now V essentially have made me aware that I'll never get to enjoy them fully. I'm not sure if Capcom had that as a goal in mind with them. Sigh...
His legs didn't move