Gojiira
Member
But PS is on top in that regard too
COD sold actual copies on PS5, Indy will be the same. Xbox can fudge and do all the mental gymnastics they want but erm they arent selling, software or hardware…
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Variety: How ‘Indiana Jones’ and ‘Call of Duty’ Are Pushing Xbox Ahead of PlayStation, Nintendo in a Next Gen Console-Less Holiday Season
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COD sold actual copies on PS5, Indy will be the same. Xbox can fudge and do all the mental gymnastics they want but erm they arent selling, software or hardware…
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Xbox just got me to spend $20 on Forza Horizon 4 Ultimate by delisting it soon. 4-D Chess. Big head Phil mode!!!
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fallingdove
Member
Agreed on the spotlight cycling among the big three, though people seem to ignore Nintendo droughts or their nasty attitude towards fans.
That said, CoD is on PS5 so you are talking about Stalker 2 and Indy. Neither of which have set the world on fire.
Helldivers 2 and Wukong alone dwarf the peak users of the later two games so even with recency bias at play, there just isn’t a comparison to be had in terms of impact.
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Imtjnotu
Member
Of course you glazing
GinSama
Member
True.
And also the same thing happen with Wolfenstein people keep bashing them for youngblood when that team was not even envolve in NO and New Colossus.
Topher
Identifies as young
BlackTron
Member
Pretty fine line between being butthurt and noticing that you didn't bother to read...I mean, to you. lol
RetroGamingUK
Member
Ok, I’ll respond from my PS6
ByWatterson
Member
We don't hate legacy media enough, really
Hawking Radiation
Member
Who in God's green earth wrote this trash ??!!
People actually get paid to talk shit? Feck my guidance counselor.
People actually get paid to talk shit? Feck my guidance counselor.
bundylove
Gold Member
Lets be frank.
Without playstation this game would bomb. Not due to quality but due to gamepass.
If anything, its playstation that saves xbox.
We saw what happened in the past and thats why xbox decided now to go full third party and release all their games on ps.
I dont care what you believe but we already know gears and forza coming to ps.
And so is everything bethesda and more.
These articles ,these losers, i just cant.
Without playstation this game would bomb. Not due to quality but due to gamepass.
If anything, its playstation that saves xbox.
We saw what happened in the past and thats why xbox decided now to go full third party and release all their games on ps.
I dont care what you believe but we already know gears and forza coming to ps.
And so is everything bethesda and more.
These articles ,these losers, i just cant.
llLeonhart
Member
241k Xboxes sold is what I’m reading from this.
bundylove
Gold Member
No thats wrong.
Where is pc???
How can you leave out xbox from pc?
Pc is xbox. Xbox is pc. Pc is spice. Spice is life
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llLeonhart
Member
You’re absolutely right, I was just thinking about that particular image. Probably close to a billion Xboxes sold this month.
bundylove
Gold Member
Yep.
We have to be more accurate with our numbers.
Dont forget cell phones too.
And your nest thermostat while you are at it
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
It's pretty funny that a multiplat, and one of those pesky cinematic narrative games with (actually) mediocre gameplay are getting lauded as wins on the Xbox side. Fake credit and hypocrisy in one sandwich.
Having actually read some reviews, mostly on the higher side, I'm quite befuddled at the metacritic score, as I was with Halo Infinite, Starfield, and Spider-Man 2. The reviews themselves read more like a low 80s or a very high 70, especially if we're staying consistent; but nope. Apparently, visual attention to detail and a "glorified movie" is enough to get you in the top 15th percentile of major games today.
Having actually read some reviews, mostly on the higher side, I'm quite befuddled at the metacritic score, as I was with Halo Infinite, Starfield, and Spider-Man 2. The reviews themselves read more like a low 80s or a very high 70, especially if we're staying consistent; but nope. Apparently, visual attention to detail and a "glorified movie" is enough to get you in the top 15th percentile of major games today.
A2una1
Member
Well to be fair, It seems like it is actually a good Indiana Jones Game. This alone will get me playing on Tuesday, love the atmosphere of the original trilogy. I'm totally fine if it is just a good game....
Physiognomonics
Member
They are getting paid by MS, somehow, I can imagine indeed.
EDIT: Shit, I hate been right. Variety is owned by Penske Media Company, and its main investor PIF has made $1 billion when MS bought Activision.
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demigod
Member
Gaf used to ban folks for not reading the OP, what happened?
Little Chicken
Banned
Sequel to a wildly successful f2p game, soooo....
Buggy Loop
Member
Wow I have a stalker, live footage :
DavidGzz
Gold Member
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
If they can release more than 4 AAA per year and bring it all on ps by output alone may put them ahead of all other AAA pubs.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I don't bemoan anyone who wants to play this. I'm all for atmospheric games, and I think deep down, most of the core gaming community recognizes that narrative and atmosphere is actually very, very important.
It's just frustrating to watch the flip flop. The same fan base and critics that yap about "too many cutscenes, not enough gameplay" about games that have plenty of gameplay (and better than Indie) and longs for the days of "innovation" turn around and give this game an 87. It's ridiculous.
Obviously it goes beyond platform warring, though that can't be ignored when a publication like Variety is doing it at this point of all points - I think the critical eye of the games industry is badly miscalibrated in general. Spider-Man 2 sitting at a 90 is ridiculous.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
If granny had a dick she would’ve been granddaddy.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
who is gonna tell him no one is buying games on Xbox and it's ecosystem?
Varteras
Member
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Not for a platform holder. The fewer you have in hardware sales, the less you have in software sales both 1st and 3rd party.
And going multiplatform isn't helping their software sales in any case. This thing is 5th on the global top sellers and has less than 5k concurrent players on a Saturday afternoon (which goes to show how much the Steam sales charts mean).
Gamepass is both too entrenched, and not successful enough to compensate.
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ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Correct we’re renting from msft.
Gambit2483
Member
How two multiplatform games saved Xbox (and Christmas).
playbignbox
Member
MS can't win, Xbox received 04 good first party/exclusives at the end of the year, all on top day one on GamePass, but the Sony fanboys on the site can't admit that this end of the year is better for Xbox than PlayStation 5, unfortunately NeoGAF is extremely biased towards this type of discussion.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Doesn’t Variety know Sony had a big multiplatform holiday release as well?
Shrap
Member
This is so dumb and it's hilarious that you can't see your own hypocrisy in regards to bias. Nobody thinks in terms of "what were the biggest games released in the past 2 months alone?"; that's thinking in a vacuum that doesn't exist in the real world. It just comes off as a really desperate attempt by Xbox fans to move the goalposts - "hey, if you don't think of the other 10 months of the year Xbox is destroying the competition!"
playbignbox
Member
Where did I say that Xbox is destroying its competitors? If you read my first post, you'll see that I said that PlayStation was better in the previous months. I have no problem admitting this because there is no bias on my part.
0neAnd0nly
Member
Indy looks like the first passable Xbox game in a bit, but unfortunately they no longer believe in exclusives and selling their console - and the game has been poorly handled by MS the entire time. Little advertising, still am not sure about the release without googling it, really poor showcase video and trailers, etc.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
And that's his point, isn't it? Why separate the year by "previous months" and "the last two months." One does not review the year like this.
- How many games did Xbox release exclusively for Xbox? And how many games did the PS5 have?
- How were those games reviewed?
- How did those games sell?
- Are any of those exclusive games, by either company, are in GOTY talks?
You could ask these questions and review the whole year. The games Sony released earlier this year doesn't just vanish for consumers to buy this Holiday season, you know.
mrqs
Member
Xbox just won mindshare. Indiana Jones did that. In our little gamer bubble, it's a big win for Xbox.
playbignbox
Member
I don't see any problem in highlighting the releases of this holiday season, it's an important period.
It's just funny that the Xbox has been doing better than the PlayStation 5 during this period and how this is bothering Sony fanboys and Xbox haters in this thread, lol.
Sorry guys, I'm going to stop playing Stalker 2 and Indiana this holiday season to replay the PlayStation 5 games from previous months, like Astro Bot (even though I finished it weeks ago), or buy Lego Horizon, so I don't hurt some people's feelings here in the thread by saying that MS released good games during this period.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But they're also not holiday period releases, what the article in OP is about.
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thismeinteil
Member
100%. Can't remember the review site, but read one summary that said that despite poor controls and out of place combat, the game is pretty good. And they gave it a 9 out of 10! Seriously?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
And that was exactly the argument - that looking at the Holiday period in isolation does not make sense. As games released earlier this year would still be just as relevant.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I don't know, man. You're the only one here who seems to be really bothered by it - by the fact that the majority of folks here don't agree with the stupid points made by the author in this Variety article.
No one in the right mind would agree that Indiana Jones alone would bring the mindshare back to Xbox as it is not the blockbuster hit (like Elden Ring or Baldur's Gate 3 or God of War etc.) that some people are pretending here to. MSFS went away like a fart in the wind. Stalker 2, while good, is still a very niche game that wouldn't even chart in most top 10 lists. The only hit here is Black Ops 6, which sold less YoY, and even then, has been selling more on PS5.
It's not a surprise why others would also see it this way and mock this
Kerotan
Member
The desperation to give Xbox good news stories is cringe worthy.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They would be relevant in discussion covering the year, but this is specifically talking about releases in this holiday period, or this quarter let's say. Not sure what games released between January and July have to do with that.
Might as well rope in games from last year like MW3, Hogwarts etc that are still being played, and sold more than many games released earlier this year.
It actually sold 23% higher in its biggest market (US).
The UK is a much smaller market than the US, and those 'lower' numbers are an even smaller physical-only subset.
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Darkness_Arises
Member
The writing was on the wall when Satya decoupled GP subscriber growth from his exec bonus goals.
Rocinante618
Member
I'm pretty sure there was a long discussion at Microsoft to release Indy during PoE2 & Rivals week, it unfortunately got destroyed in the PR/views/word of mouth time. Shame because it's a great game and I'm sure it'll sell well and be remembered but I wanted it to get more views, more sales and more acclaim.
Now let me go back to complete Act 2 in PoE2. Act 1 final boss was so good, holy I am loving this game.
Now let me go back to complete Act 2 in PoE2. Act 1 final boss was so good, holy I am loving this game.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yep. 100%. You don't decouple your bonuses from a product that you believe is gonna grow.
Lord Malachite
Member
Article is an absolute joke. Any strong performance of Call Of Duty: Black Ops 6 and Indiana Jones And The Great Circle are not major wins for Xbox. They are major wins for Microsoft, yes. But Xbox is still in hospice care and we're just waiting to know the date on its tombstone. Wasn't it revealed recently that 75% of sales for BO6 are on PS5? With the rest being on PC and a very small handful on Xbox, as most Xbox engagement is through Gamepass? Because even at only a 30% cut, that's a gargantuan amount of sales money that PlayStation is taking in off BO6 for no effort on their part. I'm doubting we'll see sales of Indy on Xbox either, because of Gamepass. Probably some on PC but the lion's share of actual sales will be when the PS5 version launches in four to seven months (Xbox said Spring 2025 which gives it an April 1st - June 30th PS5 launch window).
People need to get over the death of Xbox as a platform already. I understand that it has been around for 23 years and people have high degrees of monetary and emotional investment in it. But Xbox has no future as a platform. As the largest third party game publisher in the world, its future is bright. But its days as a platform are all but behind it.
This isn't necessarily the best thing for the industry. PlayStation will be essentially unopposed in the console space since Nintendo is off in the corner doing its own thing and is never in any danger of long-term failure or insovlency. I'm a PS only gamer, and I recognize that PS without serious competition is going to lead to less content from PS and likely shittier business practices. But that's just the world we live in now. I'm over it. And I have so many games to play I can go many years without needing to buy new ones.
People need to get over the death of Xbox as a platform already. I understand that it has been around for 23 years and people have high degrees of monetary and emotional investment in it. But Xbox has no future as a platform. As the largest third party game publisher in the world, its future is bright. But its days as a platform are all but behind it.
This isn't necessarily the best thing for the industry. PlayStation will be essentially unopposed in the console space since Nintendo is off in the corner doing its own thing and is never in any danger of long-term failure or insovlency. I'm a PS only gamer, and I recognize that PS without serious competition is going to lead to less content from PS and likely shittier business practices. But that's just the world we live in now. I'm over it. And I have so many games to play I can go many years without needing to buy new ones.
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