PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

Hoo-doo said:
Sounds like complete and utter nonsense, but you seem to have passed the sniff
Bish
test once.

As long as my PS4 remains supported, i'm okay with this. Might sell it for an upgrade eventually.
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The "sacrifice" part is worrisome
I will take a close look to this ps4k because I am a little afraid
 
I'm fine with this.
Sounds like it will be a PS4 model that will get you closer to PC performance, if that's what you're looking for. If not, then you stay with your current PS4 and you'll still be able to play all the same games.

I expect MS to announce something very similar.
 
As some people have said in the thread while 2x is a pretty decent boost it's not PS3 to PS4 level. It's more likely PS4K enhanced games will have a few prettier effects and textures, 900p games will run at 1080p, and/or a game that targets 30fps with some dips will be able to more solidly be 30fps. The difference isn't going to be Shadow of Mordor PS3 to Shadow of Mordor PS4 or anything that insane.
 
Man this generation is gonna be a pain if you are a developer.

X1 which is the weakest. Then you have a PS4, slightly more powerful. Then a PS4k which is way more powerful. Then the NX which could be any fucking thing. And MS might do a Xbox 1.5 which could be anything as well.

Soooo much extra work for basically fuck all. And then you will have people bitching cause the console they just bought is showing shitty graphics compared to whats they can get soon.
 
Getting some Sega vibes here. Splitting the user base is dangerous stuff.

That said, I wasn't planning on buying a PS4, but if the current PS4 model gets a nice price cut when the 4k model arrives, I might buy one.
 
OsirisBlack said:
It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance.
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So 8 GB GDRR5, supercharged PC architecture, async compute and any other evangelized feature suddenly is not enough.
 
Deadstar said:
You won't go pc and here's why. You like the console experience. If anything the cost will be higher on pc. Users essentially need to pay ~$400+ for a new video card every couple years. Getting a completely new console for $400-500 is not a bad deal at all. Then throw in the fact that on pc you'll have to eventually upgrade your processor and motherboard.

Everything equal, console gaming is still cheaper if that's your concern.

It's funny that this outrages people. Sony is giving you (potentially) better framerates, better resolutions and better graphics and people are....angry about this? What...? I get not wanting to pay for something new but the experience will be objectively better in all aspects.
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What is funnier is people thinking that PC gamers buy $400 video cards every couple years.
 
Venom Fox said:
And that's who they'll target first. When the costs come down a bit they'll target the usual crowd.

How isn't it? Have you seen the AAA games recommended specs from last year and this year's games? (I know you will have) Unless you want to play the latest games at 20fps with low to medium settings your forced to upgrade your GPU and CPU and it's looking increasingly like RAM will be the next thing that's forced to upgrade.
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LOL.
You can max almost all games today with 6 year old hardware. CPUs, for the most part, have stopped really improving in a way that matters. The only thing you really have to upgrade these days is the GPU, in which case you can get one for the same price a new PS4 would cost you. You can literally have a 7 year old build, put a new GPU there and max almost anything. RAM is also ridiculously cheap these days.

Garrett Hawke said:
Same. I'll be done with consoles and just stick to PC, which I already have to upgrade frequently.

Utter nonsense. Some devs struggle to hit 900p/30fps on these machines and now they'll have to optimise for TWO specs, one significantly higher? Lmao. Looking forward to 720p/30fps down ports.
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Yep. I'm amazed at all of the denial and people saying "the games will be fine, it will be just the same!". Lol, i have a bridge to sell to those people.
 
TsuWave said:
i bought two ps4's. if they don't have an upgrading program

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Man have some sympathy for this guy as he bought 4 PS4s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNQcdThO4ZA
 
Sony better do that knowing MS will do the same so they don't take all of the storm. This year is probably going to be the peak of the PS4 (next year maximum) but they want it to keep the momentum so they release a new console like this.
 
Nirolak said:
The Wall Street Journal implied they might be keeping the regular PS4 as a cheaper model in their primary markets as well.
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I would hope this model would at least last longer than the first PS4. Another upgrade in just 2-3 years will break me.
 
NinjaCoachZ said:
The Wii U is the Wii U. Killing it off early is the smart business move.

The PS4 is the leading console that most people participating in this gen own. That is why there's a difference. More people stand to feel like they're being burned as early adopters.
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Yeah, 3DS and Wii U are on life-support now.
The only reason I think is maybe PSVR is going to suck on regular PS4? Tempted to bail on it. Will wait until E3 though before being brash.
 
Interesting if true, since the people championing this decision thought just frame-rate upgrades would be common, yet the people worried about their recent purchase being left with significant drawbacks compared to the 4K would be right in this case.
 
lt519 said:
Third party support will be watered down games again, shame.
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Can't water down what won't exist. They will be climbing an uphill battle for prime 3rd party support after Wii U. I imagine we'll only see indie support in its first year or so and maybe one brave regular publisher who will make dance games for it.
 
I don't know if this has been posted before, but Sony is launching a 4K streaming service . A move that complies with the K craze.

Meanwhile, Sony cannot come fast enough and settle this because I can't believe these rumors will not hurt her until E3, where I believe they will just show a revision of PS4 with 4K playback capabilities.
 
I don't know how to feel about this. Might be the greatest move in gaming, or might backfire so hard in Sony's face.

OsirisBlack, did you happen to see BB2 on the list?
 
MK_768 said:
No you got nothing. You are making an assumption about an assumption I didn't even make lmfao.

I never said anything about Nintendo doing this right, honey. You just getting on console wars on me. Whatever lol.
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Got nothing? Nothing for what? Your vague posts are just serving your ego.

what are you even talking about?
Please keep on topic.
 
MK_768 said:
Except that the N3DS didn't become the standard focus. Is it that hard for people to understand lol.

Those who got an N3DS got screwed(unless they never own an original 3DS). What they got a Wii game port as an exclusive? Better performance for a WiiU game port? Come on. Please.
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The reason NN3DS is like it is is different target audience of handhelds.
  • Less people overall
  • Very few actual tech "over"-enthusiasts
  • Japanese developer focus (didn't like HD development etc.)

None of these apply to PS4K. Nevertheless, we got a pretty good spectrum of how things can go with updated hardware:
  • Devs ignoring new power overall and focusing on features like controls
  • Devs creating a few exclusives when they found that to be needed for the game to work*
  • Devs using some super-duper-secret firmware mode that ditches some of the general system functions on older model to maintain sensible performance*
  • Devs throwing in sensible features like faster loading
  • Devs releasing a game that runs badly on old model

The nature of audience and developers on PS4 leads me to believe we are going to see way more of the last point on PS4K, especially if "asterisked" points will be prohibited or not provided by Sony.
 
Deadstar said:
You won't go pc and here's why. You like the console experience. If anything the cost will be higher on pc. Users essentially need to pay ~$400+ for a new video card every couple years. Getting a completely new console for $400-500 is not a bad deal at all. Then throw in the fact that on pc you'll have to eventually upgrade your processor and motherboard.

Everything equal, console gaming is still cheaper if that's your concern.
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Hmm, a $400 GPU upgrade will invariably give you significantly higher performance than an entire new box for a sum total of $400. (Also, you are completely ignoring online fees)

OrbitalBeard said:
If Sony and FROM patch Bloodborne to run at 60 fps, I'll buy this thing on day one.

Otherwise, I'll wait until next year before picking one up. I just bought my PS4 six months ago!
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Going from 30FPS to solid 60FPS would, in the general case, require twice the sequential CPU performance. That seems quite unlikely.
 
Disaster Nebraska said:
But look at games like Uncharted or Horizon: Zero Dawn. If those games are the best-looking games on "vanilla" PS4, that would really suck to not have the hardware get pushed like pretty much every console has been.

The philosophy of throwing hardware at the problem is for PC. Nothing wrong with that philosophy, but it's directly opposed to what a console has been for the last 30 years. If they want to throw hardware at the problem on consoles too, I may just switch over to PC and let PS4 be my last console (depending on what Nintendo does).

I used to play a ton of PC gaming but switched over to handhelds/consoles around 2008 because I appreciated the ease-of-use and the lack of hardware headaches (not saying every PC is like that, but it was my own situation).

Since handhelds have mostly died out, I've been leaning on the PS4 for that ease-of-use, and it's a fantastic system for that. However, if they're just going to dilute their own market by throwing hardware iterations at me, I'm probably going to just re-learn the nuances of PC (it has been a few years) and make that my home.
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Wow, you nailed it my friend. The whole point of consoles being locked down systems is it pushed developers to be creative to overcome shortcomings of the hardware. Or sometimes in the vein of Nintendo make mechanics no one knew they wanted.

You'll never see something like Dreams on PC. I guess you could say mine craft, but it a pals in comparison in what you can do creatively.

If console becomes like PC where developers just rely on blunt force processing, instead of finding unique ways to render something different, or change scale and mechanics that suites the situation, your going to see more games be about graphics and not about play,

Juts my outlook on it. Everyone who see's this as a positive way forward, I'll wait till articles 6 or so years from now start talking about the industry getting stale, and even more studios going out of business because their pretty game didn't sell well.
 
ebullientprism said:
Soooo much extra work for basically fuck all. And then you will have people bitching cause the console they just bought is showing shitty graphics compared to whats they can get soon.
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Or the opposite where developers barely take advantage of PS4K's increased performance ability, and people pay a premium for a more expensive console without much benefit.
 
Obliterator said:
Thats certainly a possibility. There have been whispers of an upgraded Xbox for a while, and if anyone knew one was coming that wasn't MS it would be Sony. They also have some info on NX more than likely and if there is a decent power gap with that as well I could certainly see why Sony would do this. If they didn't its possible they go from strongest hardware in the console space to the weakest.
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While some people may disagree, I also feel Sony is a highly reactionary company that tries to get into a business they think will be a success as soon as their competitor gets going.

If you look at things like PlayStation Move or PSVR, they're very closely modeled after announced/existing products.

And yes, I feel their hardware/price point combination was 80%+ of what won them this generation, so keeping that is probably a pretty huge objective at the company.
 
Taking out the hype and big words, its probably a 1.5x to 1.75 of overall perfomance increase. No big deal if you think about it.

Also I expect lots of old games to stop working with the new model or with lots of crash reports.

Chill and don't hype this to the roof.
 
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