PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

I wont spend money on a console upgrade. This is reserved for PC parts.

Definitely keeping my vanilla PS4 until PS5.
 
Metroidvania said:
IMO, console hardware isn't the same as a phone, expecting to have to upgrade a console every couple of years isn't going to provide for the same experience phones have. The vast majority of people aren't upgrading their computers every 2-3 years (though the market is probably skewed in that regard in that is more catered to to enthusiast users in the first place)
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The thing about computers is you can upgrade just the parts and still be fine.
I was hoping PS4K would be the same in that it is just an upgraded drive and next model will come with areas where you can upgrade just parts.
But it sounds like they are going for the Apple model which you cannot really upgrade.
 
lets abandon 35 millions users and make optimized games for only PS4k. let the losers with the PS4 play a glitchy mess in 20 fps...

haha people here need to relax, its not going to happen guys. it will most probably work like a PC, you have graphics settings. games will not worse than they are today on PS4.

Bring on the future Sony, I am in!
 
Tagyhag said:
Lmao, what a waste. 2x GPU is not even good enough for 1440p but it is good enough to fragment the userbase.

If this is all true I will no longer buy Playstation consoles until the very last model comes out every generation so I can make sure I get the best experience.
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you won't be playing playstation for a very very long time then.
 
Rivyn said:
Something tells me this is being blown way out of proportion and I also do not see Sony engaging in such a daring adventure when they almost got bankrupt.

The property buildings they had that they sold probably saved their asses, and the Playstation brand is almost the only profitable region right now.

Why fuck with that stability by introducing such a thing that can divide your average consumer base.
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My guess is that Microsoft(XBO.5) and Nintendo(whatever the hell NX is) are forcing their hand and they don't wanna be left behind
 
4K downsampled to a 1080p TV screen actually works for me.

Would they let us turn off AA in those cases and get maximum FPS performance?

If so, I'm signing up.

I can't afford a 4K TV at the moment, but 4K downsampled to 1080p would be pretty fucking awesome in it's own right - especially with all the horsepower behind it.
 
Exciting news if true, especially for those of us who haven't yet jumped on this gen. I hope all future consoles are backwards compatible like this
 
PBY said:
Uhhh I'm an "enthusiast" and I'm basically being forced to buy a new ps4 to play the most optimized games for this box. I don't even mind this concept if it were communicated on the front end, but when I bought my ps4 this was NOT the expectation.

Sony better have a hell of an upgrade program.
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You're not, and they won't.
 
Ferr986 said:
You are asuming every PS4K game will e 60 fps and this is so wrong. People said the same shit with PS4. At the end, devs will want to push the hardware, and that means 30 fps on PS4K... and probably 20 on PS4.

Also lol at 4k... native for sure it won't happen, even with double the power on GPU.
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They won't make games that run at 20FPS. You'll still get a 30FPS game just with worse image quality and less effects - a game that looks no worse than it'd look on PS4 otherwise if PS4K never existed.

As for 4K resolution, I can see plenty of games possible at that res on a GPU that's 2x what's in PS4. More demanding games could be upscaled from say 1440p, which is still a big benefit for people with 4K TVs.
 
CyclopsRock said:
I don't see it improving either way. It may well be that, for the games they want to make, the hardware is a bottleneck already and the only "solution" to poor performance and load times is more powerful hardware.
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I don't think that's a solution. They'll just release games in a similar state on the more powerful hardware while allowing for degradation on the current versions. Isn't that how its always gone?
 
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Ferr986 said:
My 180€ GTX 460 allowed me to play every PS360 game ported to PC at 1080p and 60 FPS, since 2010 till the gen was finished.
180€, +3 years.
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You can absolutely stretch the life of a good video card but these are ports made to run on worse hardware so it makes sense that the video card would perform well. Running pc only games or a game that's graphically intensive at a high framerate is not going to be possible. I'm talking about games like the last Crysis, Battlefield 4 and games where they are really pushing the hardware.

I'm not saying that the mass market wants 120fps at max settings, I understand that they don't. I'm just saying that if you want to run a lot of games at high settings and a high framerate you will need to upgrade your card every couple years. I don't think I'm wrong in saying this. It depends on how you want your games to look and run. If your focus is 30fps you could absolutely stretch a video card for 5+ years.
 
OsirisBlack said:
It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance.
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We were also given a list of games that will be available at launch that will directly take advantage of the PS4K where the differences are and I will quote him "Significant."
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And with one post, all the goodwill Sony has cultivated with the PS4 has disintegrated.

I for one will not be upgrading a console like my smartphone. I bought the PS4 expecting that Sony would focus on it for roughly the same lifespan as the PS3. Not for it to become second-tier two years after purchase. If this is Sony's release plan for their consoles going forward, I want no part of it.
 
Zhao_Yun said:
But what if the PS4K version only runs at 30fps to begin with?
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Well the OG version will run at a lower res and/or less effects, shorter draw distance, lower res shadows...and the list goes on. There are so many things devs can tone down in order to achieve stable performance. It's not like Sony is telling them to, (except for maybe a few cases) it's the developer's decision to favor graphics over performance and vica versa.

But this was probably stated quite a few million times before me.
 
Ray Down said:
It's not spiting since all games will "work" across the sku's.
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FTFY.

Yeah, they'll "work", but how much of a performance hit will they take? Will they be like late-gen/cross-gen kind of ugly? How poor will the framerates be, by comparison? What features may be left out?

As many others have pointed out already, Hyrule Warriors Legends "works" for "old" 3DS units. It runs like shit, but it works, so... yeah.

If PS4K games "work", but run like shit? That will lead many consumers to consider upgrading... or some other option, like spending their entertainment budgets elsewhere.
 
felipepl said:
People are crazy to assume that developers will focus game performance with the PS4K as a baseline. It isn't rocket science that word of mouth would destroy a bad performing game on the original PS4.

However, if games keep performing and looking better when taking into account their Xbox One counterparts, and looking even better with the new PS4, what's the big deal? Buy it if you want the extra AA, effects and overall eye candy.

Don't buy it and play the same games.
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I think the God of War news is what exemplifies the concern the most.

Part of why people plonk down so much money on a PS4 at the beginning of the gen is because they know exclusives like Uncharted and God of War are coming.

These same people are now being told that, if they want to play the best version of God of War with the superior performance, they have to literally buy another PS4 at full price.

Sure, you can play it on the OG, but being told that you can't have the best experience unless you buy the same console again is too much of an investment for a lot of people to make. And there's always going to be that niggling feeling telling you that it's not the ideal experience.

Just look at how despite the deluge of cross-gen games from 2013 --> 2014, most people didn't bother with the past-gen versions. Most buyers don't want to know they're investing in a subpar product.

Plus the number of poorly-optimized ports in recent years has created the concern that maybe there's no guarantee the optimized version of games will be sufficient.
 
This is BS, cant wait the games for my ps4 will be shit and have framerates EVEN MORE garbage when they focus the new machine and make a shit port for ps4.
 
I wonder if this means that we will never get a PS5. That the "Playstation" will just be a box that will get upgraded every 2-3 years.

I really find it strange and very tone deaf by Sony. They were already in winning and gamers seems happy and the PS4 was flying of the shelf. Why would they risk that with a move like this? Nobody was asking for it.. Maybe I am missing something.
 
I bought a mid-cycle PS2 revision, a mid-cycle Xbox 360 revision and two mid-cycle 3DS revisions. After some initial hesitation about this, I suppose I could be persuaded to buy one more if the games really look and perform that much better.
 
I still dont see this box doing real 4k even at 30fps. Maybe on some non demanding games, but I envision sony adopting the dynamic resolution from xb1 on many titles.
 
2x GPU power and this is supposed to be able to run 4k games? I guess we're in for another half-gen with sub 30 fps games in that case. I wish framerate took precedence over resolution.

CPU would also need a massive boost. I don't see how this could be anywhere near 499$.
 
Well Ill probably handle this like I do GPU's for my PC; Ill wait about three to six months for a decent little price slash and pick up the new stuff while mitigating the hit to the checkbook by selling the old models. That being said, I didn't think consoles would ever end up this way, and to be honest I'm undecided on how I feel about it. More power is always nice, but this kind of makes the argument for the simplicity of console gaming a moot point as it's almost exactly the same as PC gaming at this point and just as expensive, if not actually more so due to more expensive software and less sales, so if it wasn't for my daughter I'd probably be considering going pure PC gaming now. But, as it stands even with this news, consoles are just incredibly convenient when you have kids. The futures looking very PC-like though, I must say.
 
They´re gonna sell the PS4 and PS4K at the same time. At least for 1, probably 2 years, until the PS4K price comes down. Then the PS4K will be the only one until the PS5 comes out. Games still work on both PS4s. The PS4 version will look and play as it would have without the 4K anyway. The PS4K version will look better/run better, still the same game.

Microsoft will do the same if we look at Spencer´s comments.

Nintendo will most likely do the same, if we look at Iwata´s comments about the NX being more like a platform and not just a console and handheld. With it being more like the ios/android environment. Also they´re not going to be the only ones doing regular 5 year gens when their other two competitors (blabla, not competitors, bubble etc.) are doing it.

I don´t see a downside. The games that you´re playing are being developed and then downgraded to your PS4 right now anyway. The assests are higher resolution in development than what you´re seeing in the end. They´re probably higher quality than what you´re gonna get on the 4K too. Obviously the case for multi platform games that are also on PC.
 
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