PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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Games already run like crap on the PS4 at the moment and need patches to run decent after release. What will happen when the PS4K is out and the developers have to split up Optimization Development Time between both versions? The PS4K might get priority and we'll have to wait even longer to get patches to fix the game after releasedate.
 
jmdajr said:
So...who is this for?

1st day adopters....Who probbaly didn't think they would upgrade so soon?
It's obviously not for those who don't buy until a price drop... or PC Master race.

Maybe now we have a new team. A new party. Elite Console Master Race.

#NeoGeoDay1ForlLife
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PS4 sales are really good right now @350$. People are forking out money and that is all Sony needs to see. There is demand for new shit so they are gonna give it to you. Apple does the same with phones. Why wait to hit some 100m ceiling when you can instead continue releasing new hardware and ride the $ wave right now.
 
Oh wow, I didn't believe this.


Well, fuck :/ This feels like shit after preparing for PSVR and having trouble affording that even.

Damn.
 
Rats Off To Ya said:
I'd be willing to bet the opposite is true. Most effort will go into optimizing the version of the game that most people are going to play (i.e. the basic version, at least early on). If anything the "PS4K" version will not be using all the power available to it.
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That just seems contrary to every single new console launch in history though.
 
Yeeeeah not interested in dropping $400 for new hardware every 3 years. That's about what I spend on my PC (alternating upgrading between CPU+mobo and GPU) and its hardware runs circles around either console.

This move, if true, pushes me away from consoles just a little bit more. I see no reason to drop that kind of cash that often and still be in the console space. It's a little silly, tbh.
 
Lone Wolf said:
Sorry I am a little out of the loop lately. MS is also doing this? is this confirmed? Are we getting new consoles from both MS and Sony this year? And the Nintendo console?
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The journalist who broke this entire story commented on it in his original article

I’ve heard whispers about an upgraded Xbox One for a while now, and Microsoft has been public about the possibility. At a press briefing earlier this month, Xbox head Phil Spencer hinted to journalists that his company has been exploring the possibility of evolving hardware. “We look at these other ecosystems out there like mobile, tablet and PC,” Spencer told the assembled press, as reported by Polygon, “and we see that they have a very continuous evolution cycle in hardware, whereas between console generations most of the evolution is making it cheaper and potentially making it smaller.”
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http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
 
Even if Sony doesn't do a trade in, I am sure Gamestop will. I would trade in my current PS4 and pay a couple hundred bucks for a PS4k. In two seconds. I can understand how some might not be happy with this but I would LOVE to have a console that plays 4k movies, has twice the GPU and runs games at 1080p/60.

Day one.
 
Doc Holliday said:
Or...

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What's funny about that is you have to upgrade your handheld for the privilege of getting to play the shittier version of the console release.
 
civilstrife said:
Can a gpu only 2x as powerful really push 4K?
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No. 2x PS4 is roughly as powerful as a GTX680. I mean, it'll do a better job, sure, but better than shit (regarding 4k performance) is not saying much.

If this is true, Wii U lasted longer than PS4 and it has been a colossal failure.... Interesting developments, indeed.
 
JigglesBunny said:
If this is all true (which it appears to be) then fuck it, I'm done with consoles.

I have a PC that could handle any game I throw at it with the maximum quality settings and a locked 60fps performance. I buy my consoles for ease of access, the expectation that all games I purchase for it will work immediately out of the box without having to jump through hoops and for a guaranteed 5-7 years of support without needing a costly ($500!) upgrade.

If this is what consoles are going to become, then I'm going PC only. This incremental upgrade/".5" bullshit is the opposite of what a console is supposed to be.
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My sentiments exactly. I'd rather pay less to upgrade my PC every few years than having to buy "a PS4" again to get better performance. I don't have a PC yet but I will get one if this is true.
 
Hip Hop said:
The X1 and PS4 are already outdated, and it's only getting worse as time moves on with all the technological advances happening. You can see some games hurting from this already.

This is a necessary thing if you want the medium to move forward. And if you're inclined, newer games will still work on the older consoles, with less performance/graphical fidelity. It's not splitting up anything.

I seriously don't see how we can keep this generation cycle going without these console upgrades.
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This^^
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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The problem here is that there are three elements to performance of the game: "ambition fulfilment" (i.e. how well does it look), "hardware", and "manhours", and they "follow" the equation of Fa(a) = x1 (x2 + Fh(h)) * (x3 + Fm(m)), where Fa, Fh and Fm are nondecreasing functions.

So when devs use rise of h to decrease m instead of rising a, especially since now they have de facto two hardware setups to support which may end up have different development needs, you get following scenario:

Games are released on PS4k, but they're heavily degraded versions of PC games. They are also released on OPS4, but they're even more heavily degraded versions of that.
 
julesodies said:
Games already run like crap on the PS4 at the moment and need patches to run decent after release. What will happen when the PS4K is out and the developers have to split up Optimization Development Time between both versions? The PS4K might get priority and we'll have to wait even longer to get patches to fix the game after releasedate.
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Games will run like crap and will need patches after release.

(Also, I'm quite sure this "runs like crap" doesn't apply to every single PS4 game)
 
Plinko said:
This seems like it absolutely would divide the userbase.

You cannot honestly tell me devs would only use this for better FPS. Not a chance.
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I really hope developers aren't allowed to access this extra power. Keep all consoles the same and keep everything standardized. We don't need another n3DS fiasco but with a even more expensive console device. $500 is a huge difference then a new $200 handheld.

If Sony is set on upgrading the PS4, at least offer and allow current PS4 owners to have their current consoles upgraded at any Sony store with a small fee.
 
Aces&Eights said:
Even if Sony doesn't do a trade in, I am sure Gamestop will. I would trade in my current PS4 and pay a couple hundred bucks for a PS4k. In two seconds. I can understand how some might not be happy with this but I would LOVE to have a console that plays 4k movies, has twice the GPU and runs games at 1080p/60.

Day one.
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I would really hope Sony, and not Gamestop, does a trade in. I want a real upgrade path, not GS's pennies on the dollar approach.
 
eyeball_kid said:
The OG PS4 won't be getting the "same games" as the alternate timeline where the PS4K won't exist. If the PS4K comes out, developers will focus their optimization time for that platform. The OG PS4 games will have framerate problems, glitches, and other technical issues because the developers won't consider it a priority. If the PS4K never comes out, developers can focus all their time optimizing for the platform, making sure all the performance is squeezed out of it.

To say that it won't change the quality of PS4 games is not all realistic.
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We seem to be the minority on this one, man.
 
julesodies said:
Games already run like crap on the PS4 at the moment and need patches to run decent after release. What will happen when the PS4K is out and the developers have to split up Optimization Development Time between both versions? The PS4K might get priority and we'll have to wait even longer to get patches to fix the game after releasedate.
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It really is up to developers to make our time more miserable. Can't say if Sony will mandate a minimal quality for old PS4s.
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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I'm worried that if it sells well developers will start to focus on the new PS4 more than the old one and we'll start getting exclusive PS4K games or terrible unoptimized experiences likw hyrule warriors 3DS

Basically I thought I would be able to experience the whole PS4 library but that may not be true after this
 
Plinko said:
Won't this adversely affect the consumer base that would be willing to buy a PS5 when it hits because the time between major iterations became cut in half?
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The same people that buy the 4.5 will buy the 5 and the 5.5. It's the people that won't buy the 4.5 that it will affect though. They'll be hesitant to buy the 5 any time after the first year or 18 months if it's going to mean they'd get a more powerful one by waiting a bit longer.

At that point I'm not upgrading my PS4 until it dies or I can't play an exclusive on it. Give me that 20FPS goodness for the game per year I'll use on it. The rest I'm on PC.
 
I think that a lot of the reactions in this thread are very justified.

I got my ps4 in January and I am going to purchase this as soon as a white one comes out. To me it's how this generation should have begun. The PlayStation has always pushed boundaries in each console:

PlayStation: CD drive
PlayStation 2: DVD
PlayStation 3: Bluray

PlayStation 4 is a powerful console but didn't have ultra HD Bluray player at launch. It should have had it to push the 4K revolution but it may not have been feasible at the time.

They clearly have an uphill struggle to sell this console to the general public. Many will wonder what is the point or may be confused (like the New3DS or WiiU) between the two opting for the cheaper one.

No one is saying you need to upgrade but of course it will feel like your being short changed when you see games running so well on a 4K compared to the standard 4.
 
Scrawnton said:
Sony is barely a ps4 developer, so a majority of future ps4 games will be a mess.
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It's like Sony doesn't offer developers tools and devkits with the ability to analyze performance, how different components (GPU/CPU) are taxed on a per frame basis, or legnthy chains that helps them determine whats best for each machine.
 
Kind of makes me just want to buy a new GPU and a Steam link and make that my primary method of gaming. I have no real problem with the approach Sony/MS are taking. I'd probably still end up buying a Playstation console again in the future, just most likely second hand.
 
If this means I have a option for future PS4 games to be 60fps then all good for me, its nice being a Gen or so behind now with Consoles, play on PC then reap the benfits of the old generation when a new one starts coming out. Won't get a PS4 for another year or two im certainly interested in seeing how this all goes down.
 
Aces&Eights said:
Even if Sony doesn't do a trade in, I am sure Gamestop will. I would trade in my current PS4 and pay a couple hundred bucks for a PS4k. In two seconds. I can understand how some might not be happy with this but I would LOVE to have a console that plays 4k movies, has twice the GPU and runs games at 1080p/60.

Day one.
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Keep living the dream my friend... You'll take your 30fps with additional particle effects and you'll like it.
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
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or, games for the PS4 arent optimized as well anymore and dev focuses on the PS4K and PC. Or games are not optimized for the PS4K with necessity to focus on optimizing more and more skus.
 
DryvBy said:
This will end the "PC is more expensive" argument for sure.

I'm done with consoles if this is all true.
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"You have to pay $500 every three years to keep up with the Joneses on console. Meanwhile, I buy one $700 rig and it lasts me six years."
 
eyeball_kid said:
The OG PS4 won't be getting the "same games" as the alternate timeline where the PS4K won't exist. If the PS4K comes out, developers will focus their optimization time for that platform. The OG PS4 games will have framerate problems, glitches, and other technical issues because the developers won't consider it a priority. If the PS4K never comes out, developers can focus all their time optimizing for the platform, making sure all the performance is squeezed out of it.

To say that it won't change the quality of PS4 games is not all realistic.
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Oh really? So developers won't consider one more versions of settings on a closed platform for their game? As opposed to say, the hundreds of different permutations for the same game running on a PC? Logical. Who needs 40 millions potential customers.
 
JigglesBunny said:
If this is all true (which it appears to be) then fuck it, I'm done with consoles.

I have a PC that could handle any game I throw at it with the maximum quality settings and a locked 60fps performance. I buy my consoles for ease of access, the expectation that all games I purchase for it will work immediately out of the box without having to jump through hoops and for a guaranteed 5-7 years of support without needing a costly ($500!) upgrade.
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Has a performing pc and complains about upgrades.

Proceeds to buy consoles too, for "support and ease of access" (not exclusives).

Logic, right?
 
I won't get it right away. They would have to put out a killer game I can't refuse. Like Bloodborne 2.... in 4k... oh lawd. Is this a this year thing? Wouldn't they already have to be producing them?
 
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