PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

eyeball_kid said:
No they don't. "3D" TVs were a market failure, and Sony pushed that heavily.

I see no reason to believe 4K Blu-Rays will be desired in the same way DVDs or Blu-Rays were. The market has mostly moved on from physical media for video content. People are used to Netflix. 4K content will not be a selling point except for technophiles who have top-tier home theatre systems.
Click to expand...
4K TVs are most likely to be the standard anyway though. They wont stay at 1080p. I actually feel that 4K TVs are already is the standard when it comes to retail. 4K TVs are widely available for sales (at least where i live in Europe) and the prices are good too.
 
Faenix1 said:
I'm seriously disappointed right now. We'd had, what? 1.5 years of games since the first year was a writeoff and now my PS4 is essentially useless. Most games going forward will probably target PS4K and I'll have as shitty time on PS4 most likely.

Guess I'm done.
Click to expand...

I'm with you and hurt beyond words. This isn't the PC space. I don't want to upgrade my console every 1.5 years because Sony wants to improve quarterly earnings. This is utter bullshit on their part if true. I won't believe it until it releases in stores. Sony has to get their PR team ready for shit Tsunami that's going to come their way. I'm frustrated as shit and hope Angry Joe talks about this BS.

There's no justifiable reason not to merely add this tech to the PS5. Why would I buy a PS5 if the 4.5 works well? The only way I'll consider this is if Sony gives PS4 owners $375 off the price of the new console. The PS4 may be my last console if this keeps up or turns out to be true. Don't turn it into 720p 1080p only PS4 and 4K capable PS4.5.

Does anyone else feel like a beta tester right now or is it just me?
 
Rats Off To Ya said:
Quoting because this needs to be seen by as many people as possible.

Spoiler: If you play a game on PS4 you're already playing a version with "considerable sacrifices." That doesn't happen just because there's an new PS4 spec.
Click to expand...

Except won't every dev that's working hard to make games look good... now be making those efforts on PS4K hardware, and making cheap downgrade decisions for PS4 to save time?

I mean, it won't be the same. You won't get another well-optimized good-looking game for the PS4. Naughty Dog? They're moving onto PS4K architecture.
 
Plinko said:
This seems like it absolutely would divide the userbase.

You cannot honestly tell me devs would only use this for better FPS. Not a chance.
Click to expand...

Devs like money. They will make the game function on the 20 million plus ps4 systems already out there. how it runs though...
 
Griss said:
Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
Click to expand...

The OG PS4 won't be getting the "same games" as the alternate timeline where the PS4K won't exist. If the PS4K comes out, developers will focus their optimization time for that platform. The OG PS4 games will have framerate problems, glitches, and other technical issues because the developers won't consider it a priority. If the PS4K never comes out, developers can focus all their time optimizing for the platform, making sure all the performance is squeezed out of it.

To say that it won't change the quality of PS4 games is not all realistic.
 
NullPointer said:
I play Killzone and DriveClub and Infamous and Battlefield and a host of other games on the PS4 and the last thing I'm thinking is "man, this console sure is underpowered".

Its not even a hint of a whisper of a thought when watching that Uncharted 4 footage.

Long gens let devs settle in and optimize their processes, and this leads to amazing games, years beyond the point where people speak of "maxing out the hardware".
Click to expand...

This.

Speaking strictly from a business perspective I have yet to see a convincing argument to why Sony would do this. The PS4 was on track to be one of the most successful console ever and the longer the cycle the margin on every console sold would go up. Furthermore, this is the gen were digital sales are really taking off and Sony must be making bank on their online store.

I would also guess that they will not make more money selling a more advanced console that cost more to produce. I cannot imagine that the sales of the PS4.5 will have a better long time trajectory than the current model.

On top of that I'd argue that 90% of console owners do not care about frame-rate and resolution as long as it is sufficient . If they did they would be on PC.

People might also hold off on buying PSVR. Before the cost was only 499 $ but suddenly that priced is doubled if you want the ultimate experience.

Why would they risk all the goodwill and also fragmenting the user base? It does not make much sense. We must be missing something.
 
Nirolak said:
I'd be surprised if developers were upset. Your average developer with a PC background who is now working on consoles as well tries to throw every new technology in the book into their PC version.

I'm sure they'd love to get those effects into at least some console version as well.

Console-only developers may be a different story.

Developers are usually the first ones rattling the cages demanding new hardware to boot.
Click to expand...

I'm just trying to understand the lack of and slow to come first party games from Sony this gen even though PS3 was a pig and teams were much smaller.

Even allowing for bigger and more complicated games, something has been "off" this gen for WWS IMO.
 
valkillmore said:
Saving grace. So long as all future PS4K games have a 'PS4-mode' I see no problem. I bought probably three 360s over the years. I wish the latter ones had upgraded specs allowing better performance.
Click to expand...
But this means they'll probably look and run like dog shit, much below the max performance the console has to offer (much like recent PS3 CoD's or Shadow of Mordor).
 
hal9001 said:
Lk1dzHwh.jpg
Click to expand...

Bravo sir.
 
superNESjoe said:
Cross gen games were JUST stopping, we aren't even to a point where we've seen many games that truly take advantage of the PS4 as is.

This is going to turn right around and bring back cross gen games. We bought PS4 to get next gen games, but we mostly got better versions of PS3 games. Now that true native PS4 games have started to arrive, our PS4 will go back to just giving us last gen games.

This is a serious mistake, it's going to piss off way more people than it'll make happy. Y'all are nuts for supporting this.
Click to expand...

Yup.

Bless the hearts of the devs who have to optimize for who knows how many different PC setups plus potentially 5 different console skus. If people dont think this will cause a hit in quality theyre crazy.
 
Tak3n said:
lets not forget, a lot of people, and I mean a lot change their phones every two years (hell loads don't even wait that long) and they often cost way more that a PS4

maybe it is time for a attitude shift to accepting that technology can and does move fast, we all accept old gen lasted far too long, I think 3 years is ok
Click to expand...

Most of the people changing their phone every two years are only doing so because it's subsidized by their subscription plan. And we are also reaching a point where people feel phone upgrades are no longer meaningful.

Eight years is too long but three is not enough. As Nirolak said, this refresh cycle is shorter than many development cycles. That makes consoles a terrible investment in my eyes.
 
The only positive I take out of this will be a very entertaining E3. Might invest in a popcorn machine.

Just imagine if The Last Guardian changes lanes and will be predominantly developed for the PS4K and it runs much worse on the PS4... good lord
 
I can't wait for a new round of Console Wars.

The brave soldiers are still wounded from the last round... Now there will be an internal struggle.

Some would call it... A Civil War.
 
PBY said:
Well those sacrifices will be even more severe and the games will be more unoptimized.
Click to expand...

I'd be willing to bet the opposite is true. Most effort will go into optimizing the version of the game that most people are going to play (i.e. the basic version, at least early on). If anything the "PS4K" version will not be using all the power available to it.
 
Griss said:
In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.
Click to expand...

one of the most sensible posts in this thread.

Unless the hypothetical PS4K will sell by the truckload; the biggest userbase will be PS4. Performance for games will be tuned for PS4 for -at least!- two more years. Sony (and MS as well for that matter) put a relatively low powered product on the market; and VR came around, bringing along an arms race regarding the ability to push more pixels. IF Sony (and MS) want to go big on the VR-bandwagon, they simply need to put a more powerful product on the market.
 
Obliterator said:
Its not forcing MS hand at all, in fact this may be the exact reverse. MS has had a more powerful box in development for a while now
Click to expand...

Sorry I am a little out of the loop lately. MS is also doing this? is this confirmed? Are we getting new consoles from both MS and Sony this year? And the Nintendo console?
 
mrklaw said:
I don't want all the power being wasted on getting the same games running at 4k30. Especially when not many people have 4kTVs.

Spend the power on better quality at 1080p (30 or 60 I don't mind), and go for 4k next time around when more people have TVs that can benefit.

This might tempt me to buy an UHD TV next year though, if it has a UHD drive and 4k streaming services
Click to expand...
Exactly this. I absolutely hate the resolution chase when it comes to 4k. I just want 1080p with a stable framerate in all games. The current gen consoles can barely do that.
 
Rats Off To Ya said:
Quoting because this needs to be seen by as many people as possible.

Spoiler: If you play a game on PS4 you're already playing a version with "considerable sacrifices." That doesn't happen just because there's an new PS4 spec.
Click to expand...


"Sir, we can't seem to get this game to lock at 30fps, it's dipping as low as 15 at times on the PS4."

"Yes, but how is it on the PS4k?"

"Solid frame rate sir, but don't you think we should optimize more for the..."

"Ship it."
 
On Demand said:
Don't worry. Sony's going to know what it felt like to be MS back in 2013 this E3.
Click to expand...

This is laughable.

Some of the reactions in here are just preposterous.

I swear, you guys have no idea how insular this community is sometimes, huh?

If this means they will lower the price of entry for the main system, it will mean easier access for those, and then those will continue to sell, and the new system would be considered the premium product for those that want to get the high end.

And sheesh, some of the assumptions and over reactions are incredible in how much you all have become oracles.
 
To me the only worry with this is that like in pc, we see graphic cards coming every year and they will use the games to justify an upgrade even if you dont need and upgrade, we already see it now, games asking for high end pcs when they are rolling on ps4 and xbox one with almost no difference.
 
LETS DO IT!!

PS4K sounds good.

PS5 down like 2020~2021.

To me the ".5" jump is becoming the "SLIM" model.

Everyone being babies about this...really? It literally sounds like the PS4K games that are compatible on PS4 will run at "standard def" aka 1080P which would be worse than the 4K "native" resolution. So here is what I think will happen:

PS4K games on PS4K = 4K res @ 30/60 FPS locked/unlocked
PS4K games on PS4 = 1080P@ 30/60FPS with dips that we are used to for the past 3 yrs.

Time will tell but I dont see all of the sudden PS4K games running 900P/720P <30FPS on PS4. Thats silly.

Abdiel said:
This is laughable.

Some of the reactions in here are just preposterous.

I swear, you guys have no idea how insular this community is sometimes, huh?

If this means they will lower the price of entry for the main system, it will mean easier access for those, and then those will continue to sell, and the new system would be considered the premium product for those that want to get the high end.

And sheesh, some of the assumptions and over reactions are incredible in how much you all have become oracles.
Click to expand...

Good post. The "OG" being sold at $199~$249 along side the PS4K is not going to "kill" PS4 sales. They will probably stay like they are now. (the leaders)

For reference, there is currently an "Xbox One Elite Console" for ~$440+ out now....a PS4 thats beefed up at $499 is not crazy.

Oh and I will make a bold prediction....the new PS4K will finally have a revised Dual Shock 4. Better battery life and improved sticks would be the main things. Just a thought! Hope it happens! (will help gamers with the "high price" point)
 
I love this whole thing.

From the idea of a better PS4, to people getting upset, to the return of "arrogant Sony". What a time to be alive.

I desperately hope they release the version with the better CPU, though. If Sony's going to do this they're better off going all in, even if it costs more.
 
I think it's presumptuous to assume this will be an every 2-3 year occurance instead of a course corrective refresh due to the console starting well behind the bell curve. I'd be shocked if we saw PS5 or PS4K2 before the 2020s.
 
If this is all true (which it appears to be) then fuck it, I'm done with consoles.

I have a PC that could handle any game I throw at it with the maximum quality settings and a locked 60fps performance. I buy my consoles for ease of access, the expectation that all games I purchase for it will work immediately out of the box without having to jump through hoops and for a guaranteed 5-7 years of support without needing a costly ($500!) upgrade.

If this is what consoles are going to become, then I'm going PC only. This incremental upgrade/".5" bullshit is the opposite of what a console is supposed to be.

This would be a little bit less outrageous if there was an upgrade or trade-in program, but paying another full $500 for an upgraded console after fronting $400/500 on a PSVR within a year period? Get the fuck out of here with that, Sony. Not a chance.
 
These rumors are taken far too seriously. We don't even know if it's real, and what are exactly Sony's plans for a new PS4 version, whether it is just a "light" version that won't change the performance or if it will a true mid-gen upgrade. And if that's the case, we don't know what will happen for the games and if it will the biggest shift for consoles in the last 10 years, or just a New 3DS.

Until E3 these kind of threads are nightmares. See what happens with the NX, it was interesting speculation and it became a shitposts forest with fakes and everything that come with it. Also these iPhone comparisons, seriously.
 
Gamers are the biggest crybabies ever. A more badass PS4 for those willing to pay the premium for more power? And yet compatible with all regular PS4 games? Who would ever want such a thing? It's the principle of the matter, blah blah blah...

I think it's an awesome idea that will do well with those of us who are/were willing to pay more for beefier specs.
 
Also, one of the reasons this makes sense is because of Gaf's all-time favourite concepts:

Diminishing returns

Each jump in hardware is going to be smaller and smaller from now on. The leap from OG PS4 to PS5 will be smaller than the leap from PS3 to PS4 was, and so on and so on. And the PS3->PS4 leap wasn't even that big, and from a gameplay / game design point of view was negligible. If you're not going to be able to 'wow' people with a massive hardware boost and new kinds of games, you might as well do smaller rolling boosts.

And of course now is the time to start such a system with VR and 4K around the corner.

It makes sense in pretty much every way to me.
 
SmiteOfHand said:
The splintering users or comparisons to ancient models like the 32x are bad arguments. Hardware profiling is a well understood facet of modern development, and we aren't even talking anything close to the complexity of PC, or relatively less complex mobile areas. In fact if new console hardware is only dropped every 2-3 years it will be one of the least complex of what is out there, and very much in line with the console model. Calm yourself, GAF, this is not as hard of a problem to solve for developers as you are making it sound.

If 40 million people are using the original PS4, developers will support their games there. If it drops down to less than 1% (not likely for a very long time) support for that hardware profile will drop off. The hardware sitting under your TV is just as viable as it was last month, it didn't suddenly become worthless shit over night because a new one is entering.
Click to expand...

Try an iPad 2 running iOS 5 and then update it to iOS 9. Then you'll understand my concern.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

New GPU or new CPU ?
34
1K
HRK69 replied
GPU Market in 2025 Q1
27
1K
mckmas8808 replied
DF - Nintendo Switch 2 Confirmed Specs: CPU, GPU, Memory, System Reservation + More
3 4 5 6 7
312
1K
Buggy Loop replied
How are GPU prices and supplies in your region?
34
298
Trogdor1123 replied
Switch dataminer from Famiboards suggests the Switch 2's portable GPU clocks will be 561MHz. He also said 1.8GHz for the CPU is "hopium"
Rumor  8 9 10 11 12
596
40K
meech replied
Top Bottom