PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

RAIDEN1 said:
25 years ago Sega went down a similar road, fragmenting the very market they were trying to nail down from the competition, it began with the Mega CD and the rest is history..
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You need to stop posting or think before you post. This has nothing in comparison to what Sega did back in the day. NOTHING REMOTELY CLOSE.
 
Mathieran said:
The fact that it won't automatically run older games better makes it a lot less appealing.

However I might jump on board with this and skip ps5 at launch and get the 5.5 when that comes out instead. If it's indeed 399 hopefully I can sell my ps4 with a couple games I don't play to cover most of the cost of upgrading.

Hopefully we can get some impressions and video comparisons of games that take advantage of the 4.5 before release so we can know what to expect.
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That was my first reaction as well. I thought it would be more like PC in that regard. Bit of a bummer. I guess we'll see how MS handles this aspect with the XB1.5
 
So nx might be better and this might be a reactionary move? If not, why would they bother? Anyway it's a shitty move for all the ps4 recent users including me....
 
213372bu said:
Sure, but as far as the apprehensive consumers, it's totally reasonable.

For example, for the past like two weeks we've seen PSVR on an international level get enough buy-in that sites sold out of multiple skus within the matter of minutes.

What faith is there to assume that a closed console VR experience for $500 won't have an extensive library unless they buy the new PS4K?


It would obviously be a new paradigm, but your previous post transitioned from criticizing the community as insular to directly talking about the romanticism of a new paradigm.

You don't see how that can be read as saying that as brushing off concerns for the possible idea of seeing a new market change?
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To the first part : That's Sony's responsibility to prove, and I fully expect them to be the one to justify it. They've made the case that the core unit will be fully vr capable, but this upgrade is apparently just that, an upgrade, so it remains up to them to justify its purpose and existence across the board. I'm not trying to defend Sony, just to say that we've got market trends showing consumers have embraced various similar products.

To the second... I can see how it could come across that way. Not my intention, but I'm also on my phone, so my bad, I'll own it. Regardless, my point want to dismiss people, but to try and point out that it's foolish to be extremely dramatic about something without any confirmation from Sony themselves and only be operating on assumption of the worst or best case.
 
I feel for the guys who are buying OG PS4s as we speak just for Uncharted 4 and FFXV and have not heard about this yet.
 
AniHawk said:
a $500 ps4k and a $500 ps vr means only one of those two will live. it will probably not be the peripheral.

in 2019 i can definitely see a $500 ps5 with vr included from the start though.

although i have my doubts on $500 hardware in general. it hasn't really lit the market on fire yet, even though microsoft did a fairly good job with it in 2013 and early 2014.
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So a 500$ console now only last 2 years? thanks but no thanks.
 
I don't understand the 'just buy a pc' comments. People buy consoles rather than pcs for more reasons than just 'it'll be a fixed spec for 5 years'.
 
SolidSnakex said:
The difference is that as a PC owner you're conditioned to knowing that you will eventually have to upgrade your system. Console owners are conditioned to buying a console and then playing it for five or so years before buying the new wave of platforms. They're not conditioned to upgraded. In fact, upgrades in the past have been completely rejected in the console space.
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By the time this releases, the PS4 will be at least 3.5 years old. Plus support won't just go away like it usually does on old gen systems when the next gen releases, so early adopters will probably still end up getting 5 or so years out of it.
 
Creamium said:
People who just bought a PS4:

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I bought one 2 weeks ago.... Yeah... Kinda pissed!
 
outunderthestars said:
Why would a developer make a PS4K the lead design platform when the PS4 has a 30 million or so install base?
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Why would a developer make any effort with time, resources, and money to enhance a game for a platform with a small user base and it will play the PS4 version anyway?

mrklaw said:
I don't understand the 'just buy a pc' comments. People buy consoles rather than pcs for more reasons than just 'it'll be a fixed spec for 5 years'.
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More reasons, yes, but let's not pretend that the fixed spec for a significant period of time isn't also one of those reasons.
 
Maxrunner said:
So nx might be better and this might be a reactionary move? If not, why would they bother? Anyway it's a shitty move for all the ps4 recent users including me....
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i can't see this as sony being afraid of what nintendo is doing. instead, i think they're trying to push 4k as a new standard and can use their popular playstation platform to do it.

also, they were probably inspired by apple rather than nintendo in making an iterative platform. if nintendo had recognized this in early 2013, before ps4 was announced, i'm sure it was on sony's radar too.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
But with that disclaimer out of the way, I will say that I'm not entirely convinced that it's fair to call current owners "early adopters" when we're closing in on 2.5 years of the machine existing. It will be at least 3 years old more likely by the time the 4K launches.
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Time has moved slower this generation though. So many delays and remasters, not nearly as many exclusives and heavy hitters as you'd expect for a generation.

It really feels like its only now just getting started. I'd love to see the second and third wave of games made for this hardware spec. But they won't be made for *this* hardware spec, they'll play on this spec but only really shine on the next rev.
 
Beefy said:
So I guess I cancel my PSVR so I can get the new PS4k. But is there any point? Sony will just bring out a better version in 2-3 yrs time. I dilon't know if I like this.
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Cancel your PSVR preorder because there will be a better version in two years.
 
This may effectively kill console gaming for me. Really what's the point? Half steps every 2-3 years, ugh. They got it backwards, making the console more PC like really just pushes me to go with the real thing. I'm waiting foe conformation, but its baffling why sony would self sabotage like this. I understand more power for psvr, I understand 4k bluray, hell, I even understand a beefed up ps4 in 2018-2019, but we're not even 2 1/2 years in. The consoles haven't even hit there peak, dev tools are still evolving. Just smh at this whole thing.
 
I really don't understand why they want to fracture their userbase like this when they've got such a strong lead so far this generation. Seems to completely defeat the point of console gaming.
 
Paganmoon said:
Though considering they're not decided on the CPU yet, it can't be ready for fall can it? has to be next year? Which again begs the question, why not just wait another year and go PS5 right away?

Man this is weird news.
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It can be ready. I think the PS4 reveal with Mark Cerny said it was not final and the demos were running on prototype hardware. I could be wrong though.
 
IvorB said:
From the OP it sounds like this is what the PS4 should have been from the get go. I'm not really so enthused about being sold a PS4 and then have this come out two years later. This idea did not come out of thin air and they must have known about this for a while. They are well aware that people purchase these machines with the expectation that this is it for a good while and they were happy to let people operate under this belief and buy up their first edition. I'm starting to feel a little bit stung by Sony on this which is a shame because this new model sounds like what I would have wanted in the first place.
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You wanted the PS4 at launch to cost $600 or possibly even more?
 
Marty Chinn said:
I think it's funny how people constantly complain about lazy devs, day 0 patches, bugs that they can't fathom how the game shipped with, and performance issues, but now that we have two targets, people are defending developers with well they'll do a great job optimizing for both targets.
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yeah :\
 
Abdiel said:
To the first part : That's Sony's responsibility to prove, and I fully expect them to be the one to justify it. They've made the case that the core unit will be fully vr capable, but this upgrade is apparently just that, an upgrade, so it remains up to them to justify its purpose and existence across the board. I'm not trying to defend Sony, just to say that we've got market trends showing consumers have embraced various similar products.

To the second... I can see how it could come across that way. Not my intention, but I'm also on my phone, so my bad, I'll own it. Regardless, my point want to dismiss people, but to try and point out that it's foolish to be extremely dramatic about something without any confirmation from Sony themselves and only be operating on assumption of the worst or best case.
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Fair points.

Thanks for the response.
 
I will say this: at least game ownership is getting a bit of an upgrade. And hopefully devs are willing to patch their games to maybe take some advantage from the new hardware. I'm not hoping for miracles, but Bloodborne at 60fps with minor graphical improvements would sell me on it. I suppose if I stick with my vanilla PS4 and wait to upgrade 2-3 years after launch, and after seeing how the PS4K fares, I can upgrade.

Now suddenly -- other than any un patched or pre-PS4K games -- my entire library and my PS VR gets an upgrade. Possibly a nearly-generational upgrade. I was impressed going from PS3 to Wi U. That might sound silly
but it's the truth. Games like Super Mario 3D World had such clean textures it looked "next gen" to me compared to PS3. I'd imagine a PS4 to PS4K upgrade would provide a similar leap at least, To be able to keep all my same games and controllers and peripherals, and to have games I already own (the Ps4/PS4K ones at least) get an upgrade would be pretty tempting.

I refuse to buy this at launch especially if it's as much as a PS4. But for $300 or less a few years later?

Hmmm. Now I'm torn. Sony, you bastards.
 
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