PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
Honestly,this does not seem like a Playstation (SCE) decision.

This was a Sony Corp decision. The Same Sony Corp that thinks a new flagship Xperia Phone every 6 months is a good idea.

As a lover of new tech, especially Sony Products, I am looking forward to the PS4K.

But as I said earlier, as a gamer, this is a dark road which in the long run wont end well for anyone.
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Unless they really fuck things up it won't make a difference for owners of the previous model. There are already machines that can handle games with more performance than a Ps4, they are just adding another one.

For ps4 users they still have a very optimized game that runs very well on their console.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Am I the only one who gets this thread as the top news page when you search PS4 in google?

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I posted previously and was surprised to see google using Neogaf for news.
 
Movalpolos said:
I'm an enthusiast with disposable income. Even though I would likely get it, if true, I'm still shaking my head at the notion they would do this so early in the generation.
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This is where I'm at with it. I wish they'd have waited another year or two, dropped PS4.0 down to 299 or lower, and brought this out at 399.

Ah well, there were a lot of details spilled, but you never know exactly what it's going to be until it hits market.
 
RAIDEN1 said:
25 years ago Sega went down a similar road, fragmenting the very market they were trying to nail down from the competition, it began with the Mega CD and the rest is history..
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Mega CD was a separate add-on, a CD-expansion combined with a hardware upgrade.

32X was another separate upgrade.

This caused four different formats to exist

1. Genesis/Megadrive cartridge games
2. CD games
3. 32X cartridge games
4. 32X CD games

This (PS4K) is quite different.

The only parallel one might draw is, Genesis/MD was very successful in NA and Europe, but not in Japan. It's not that different with PS4 where it's very successful in NA/EU but it (and consoles in general) are not doing well in Japan. Yet, PS4 not selling in Japan is not directly related to PS4 itself, but the entire console market over there.

Edit: on top of that, Sega was supporting the GameGear, still had the Master System II on the market, was launching the Nomad (portable MD/Gen) and was also about to launch the Saturn.
 
I just hope they revamp the blu-ray player. It's absolute ass on the PS4!

And hopefully a slight redesign of the console so I'll be able to tell them apart
 
Marty Chinn said:
Maybe this will help people understand why people are freaking out.

It's the uncertainty this brings to the table.

- Does this extend the generation?

- How many iterations are we going to get in a generation?

- Do we even have generations anymore?

- How is this really going to affect games short term? Long term?

- PSVR isn't even out and performance is much more critical there and they're already talking about versions enhanced/targeting PS4.5? What does that mean for this new unreleased platform?

This brings a lot of questions that didn't exist before and it breaks expectations that comes with consoles. There are so many unknowns that no matter how positive you may be on this, you just don't know if everything will play out to be good. There's good reason to be concerned at this point with so little info that we have.
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This so much.

Sony better have a really good sales pitch. A transparent and honest one too.
 
outunderthestars said:
I think you are vastly overestimating the impact this will have on PS4 versions of games.
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I think no one at the moment has any way of realistic estimation of overall behavior of developers and publishers, especially since many of use focus on different niches within the medium.

I wouldn't rule out that an AAA game happens that is 720p20Hz on OPS4 and 900p30Hz on NPS4. Say, Battlefront 4(k).
 
I'll have to upgrade.

I'm not opposed to the idea of getting a shiny new console. Hopefully it can retroactively play older PS4 games better. Get cracking on the Uncharted 4 60fps patch, Naughty Dog.
 
The God said:
The OP already says they're doing this
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where? Just because developers will develop game for PS4K, it does not mean that they will shaft PS4... he was right, it is quite likely that PS4 will keep being the main target for years to come since most of the userbase buying games will be on PS4. Plus, since PS4K is more powerful, it is easier to develop for and needs much less work - which means that in the end PS4K users end up being shafted.
 
On another note (aka unrelated shitpost), what if SONY and MS have decided in these roided versions of their current gen consoles because they have an idea of what Nintendo is doing?
 
Hawk269 said:
Sure it will, it will just be 900p and 30fps locked. PS4k will be 1080p/60fps with better shadows and image quality. 900p has proven to be a good step down for gaining performance and I don't see that changing. It is like many PC games, people drop resolution to gain performance (in addition to other settings). I really don't think Sony would be stupid enough to make PS4 versions of games run like complete shit, they will probably dictate a baseline like 900p depending on the game.

If we take one of the recent good looking games like The Division, on the PS4k it would be 1080p/60fps with better shadows and AA Solutions/relfections etc. while the current PS4 version runs at 1080p/30fps. It will vary on game, but I think Sony will be smart and mandate a baseline for the PS4 version of games.
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If it ends up working out that well 100% of the time, then I'll be fine with it. I'm not a graphic's whore and don't care much about 30fps vs. 60fps, 900p vs. 1080p etc.

I'm just worried that by the end of the gen the PS4k will be the main focus and we'll get games that just don't run well on original PS4s and don't maintain 30fps etc. i.e. janky crap like Skyrim on PS3, or some of the worst X1 ports.
 
B1G_A1AN said:
There is no point in buying PS:VR if you only have a original PS4 then, that's twenty million potential lost sales then?

I have PS:VR on order, if I'm going to get an inferior experience because I only have a original PS4 I may as well cancel my order now.
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That doesn't make much sense. They've already shown what PSVR can do on PS4. At least they're making it "forward compatible" with PS4K with an upgrade in visuals/FPS.
 
Epicine said:
Hey, a few people on Gaf didn't view it as draconian by any means. Some bullshit about it being the future and how they wanted to embrace it.

I remember the threads.
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There were VERY few people who saw it that way. I remember the threads also. It was unequivocally anti consumer.

Releasing a slightly more powerful PS4 that can play 4k media and has a measly 2x the GPU power for consumers who want it isn't. I don't even know if I want one of these things, but the mental gymnastics in the threads since the initial leak is mind boggling.

This is a really interesting turn of events, but the discourse is being ruined by a carnival of stupid.
 
jony_m said:
I can understand that concern, but I can only see these shorter increments becoming the norm (for both Sony and MS) of 1 or 2 iterations in between mayor releases.

The strategy with new iPhones is to jump in day 1 with the new and trade-in, sell the old right on release before the market is flooded.

We are spoiled here in the US but there are markets that pay a huge premium over US price for these consoles.
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For the sake of everything that is holy, STOP comparing this to iPhones.

Phones are for calling and texting and going on the internet. They are not made for resource intensive applications, the features are just there : features. They are an accessory to the more core usage.

Here we are talking about a completely different piece of equipment. You buy it with the promise that for the next N years, devs will do their best to optimise their games on his machine (because they have no choice, the hardware is fixed and the consumer doesn't have a choice). There is no such promise that comes when buying an iPhone. You buy it to make phone calls, send textsn browsing the web and playing with some apps. They don't promise you anything about the future apps because they are not the main point.

And with a PS4.5, that promise is violated.
 
I hope they look the same to make it easy for a sneaky upgrade.

;)
 
OrbitalMatrix said:
Does it matter? How is it any different to PC being the lead platform for a lot of AAA games this generation?



Like I said earlier, drama queens. It's insane. The MO for GAF during these PS4k threads seems to be outrage first, logic never.
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Nah man, the original 40 million people getting less attention to their games doesn't matter at all
 
Pejo said:
This is where I'm at with it. I wish they'd have waited another year or two, dropped PS4.0 down to 299 or lower, and brought this out at 399.

Ah well, there were a lot of details spilled, but you never know exactly what it's going to be until it hits market.
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Probably would have done under normal circumstances but they really want to drive VR and 4K media/blu ray adoption so they can't afford to wait around for another year or two.
 
If this thing will have USB ports on back, it's worth the purchase. :P

Seriously though, I'm not sure how well this will sell and who will be in need of such a console. I understand tech-enthusiasts will love it, but not seeing why the general consumer would be willing to fork over money for a new one.
 
stan423321 said:
I think no one at the moment has any way of realistic estimation of overall behavior of developers and publishers, especially since many of use focus on different niches within the medium.

I wouldn't rule out that an AAA game happens that is 720p20Hz on OPS4 and 900p30Hz on NPS4. Say, Battlefront 4(k).
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Those are some seiously low expectations. No way sub 1080 games are coming out on NPS4
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Am I the only one who gets this thread as the top news page when you search PS4 in google?

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That's pretty impressive, but getting the top Google news result isn't really the same thing as getting a top Google result. Even if there is a news preview on top of the regular search results.

Also, Google considers neogaf topics to be news articles? Cool, I'm a journalist!
 
Breakage said:
It's hard to see how devs won't incorporate "PS4K only" gameplay elements in order to compel people to upgrade.
I have a feeling that this will be the only upgraded PS4 we'll see this gen.
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No one except Sony have any reason to incentive upgrading. Everyone else probably won't want to abandon the larger base. If there are differences, they're probably be due to technical reasons.
 
Latvian Hitman said:
A PS4 with 2x GPU/CPU performance isn't going to natively render anything at 4K except for maybe the occasional indie title.
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This exactly, they're going to need at least a GTX980 comparable card and even then most PC users prefer to have 2 of these for ultra smooth 4k gaming. PS4.1 will have exactly the same (if not more) shortcoming for 4k gaming as the Ps4 does with 1080p 60fps gaming. This is just an endless circle of bullshit.
 
Meanwhile, anyone who's interested in buying a PS4 right now is going to see these rumors in the PS4's google results and probably hold off. Sony needs to either come out and deny these rumors or announce the thing.

What a debacle.
 
Movalpolos said:
I'm an enthusiast with disposable income. Even though I would likely get it, if true, I'm still shaking my head at the notion they would do this so early in the generation.
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Yep, I'm in the same boat as you. Affording this is no problem for me. Affording a PSVR, an NX, a PS4.5 and a Xbox One.5 is no problem. I'm worried more about the ramification this will have on the console industry moving forward. It affects devs, consumers may balk at the notion, there's so many things that could happen. It's a very risky move and not one guaranteed to make things better.
 
xDUMPWEEDx said:
This is really sounding like a PS5 with those massive hardware upgrades.

PS4 owners are gonna be pissed. Glad I waited to buy mine!
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If this comes out this year I'm going to be super pissed. It seems like the ps4 is just reaching its stride and to make it obsolete so soon is annoying. Especially when ps4 is doing well so it's not like Nintendo where Sony needs to ditch ps4. And this does sound more like a ps5 (with BC) and I absolutely see this dividing the user base if they try to sell it as just an upgraded ps4.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Maybe this will help people understand why people are freaking out.

It's the uncertainty this brings to the table.

- Does this extend the generation?

- How many iterations are we going to get in a generation?

- Do we even have generations anymore?

- How is this really going to affect games short term? Long term?

- PSVR isn't even out and performance is much more critical there and they're already talking about versions enhanced/targeting PS4.5? What does that mean for this new unreleased platform?

This brings a lot of questions that didn't exist before and it breaks expectations that comes with consoles. There are so many unknowns that no matter how positive you may be on this, you just don't know if everything will play out to be good. There's good reason to be concerned at this point with so little info that we have.
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Sony have realised the PS4 isn't powerful enough for an acceptable baseline for PSVR, so you make the PS4K and hey presto, now you have a console that is powerful enough.
 
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