What? You are comparing DRM, a process where you limit the end users ability to share, play freely, or sell the product to an OPTIONAL HARDWARE upgrade. I understand the fear people have that this might somehow the performance of future titles on a legacy platform, but this is not apples to apples.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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What? You are comparing DRM, a process where you limit the end users ability to share, play freely, or sell the product to an OPTIONAL HARDWARE upgrade. I understand the fear people have that this might somehow the performance of future titles on a legacy platform, but this is not apples to apples.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
He knew what you meant i dont see how he couldn't have. I feel u
Yes. All of the demos showed so far on PSVR were running on the current PS4.
You are delusional if you don't understand why this news is upsetting to some.
And wtf at consoles performing poorly this gen? They are out pacing their last gen counterparts launch aligned and isn't the PS4 currently pacing with the PS2 or something? The console market doesn't need a "shot in the arm", and even if it did I would not classify this as such.
shanafan
Member
There was a story that an iTunes user bought Breaking Bad season 5 while the first half was airing, and when the second half aired, Apple was going to charge him for it since the season was split. It was interesting. Sorry, off topic
BleedOrange
Banned
Your.Games.Will.Still.Work.On.PS4
And also, the added benefit of console gamers not keeping PC graphics from iterating as quickly as they could.
Chezzymann
Member
FTFY
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
It's going to launch at the same time as PSVR4K.
sechsterangriff
Member
Bingo. The fact most people defending this can't grasp this is the most likely outcome is appalling. They are just imagining all games will be at least 1080p 60fps. They are in for a rude awakening...
Speaking of "rude awakenings", it will be fun seeing Sony trying to sell this outside of the US. Oh boy...
ArkhamFantasy
Member
What do you mean they "need"? The PS4 is outpacing the PS2!
I genuinely don't know how to react to this news being all but confirmed now. I think it is insane that Sony/Developers are basically turning around and saying we've wasted our money by backing a horse they knew had a broken leg. I love my PS4 but this feels a little unfair and feels like they've given up in pushing what this console can do or apparently cannot. I can't imagine how the general consumer/people who have already bought one (considering how big the install base is) are going feel when we see how "significant" the performance difference is.
NullPointer
Member
It's the 31st. Early April fools.
Wouldn't be the first time. This is like the worst time to believe any news.
Ps4k. Games. Will. Run. Like. Shit. On. Ps4.
And oh boy, now sony consoles get to be just like the PC...except you know...none of the actual advantages, all of the inconveniences and more. GET EXCITED PEOPLE ! #4THEPLAYERS
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
This sentence is scary. It means games will be natively developed for the PS4K (GOW4 is surely one of them) and then scaled back when ported to the regular PS4 and not the opposite where games are natively created for regular PS4 (taking full advantage of it) then ported and improved on PS4K just like PS3 Remastered Games on PS4. This means regular PS4 games will clearly suffer just like the famous previous very demanding PC only games when they were ported on consoles and the sacrifice was so tremendous.
Where are you reading that this thing will have any sort of exclusive software or launch alongside PS4K?
just like there is a policy that every PSVR game has to be 60fps, there will be likely a policy that every PS4K game has to work on PS4.
They will likely announce it when they announce PS4K so people can stop imaging crazy scenarios where developers will for no reason at all decide not to support PS4, and decide to bankrupt their company since they developed for 1m users instead of for 41m for extra 1% of development cost.
DrakeDeception
Neo Member
This is what I'm expecting in the difference between PS4 and PS4K.
Marvel
could never
Er, no?
Third party developers might have some serious work to do. If you're looking at developing games for Classic PS4, X1, PC, and PS4K...oooof. Your console team is going to hate you. Sony might even be banking on that and hoping that they make the classic PS4/X1 versions much crappier and spend their time on the PS4K / PC versions.
dragonzdogma
Member
*SIGHS* what is HDR
if it's High-dynamic-range what does have to do with 4k,I thought that had to do with color in gaming, no?
joecanada
Member
I personally can't wait to go home and glare at my impotent ps4, cursing at it for it's complete uselessness. Then I am going to make some kind of doorstop out of it, I'm pretty sure it will fit nicely behind my front door, but it has that wobble though!!
geordiemp
Member
And, in Nintendo's own words, getting back to Nintendo like profits.
Its Nintendo, they will make low cost hardware and mark it up nicely like they say they will.
Nah, they do that aleady, its called the PC version with lots of options. The dev can select 3 groups of settings from teh PC version, one for Xb1, one for Ps4, one for Ps4K.
Nothing has changed.,
This isn't just about 4K TVs though. I don't have one nor do I want one since I don't watch television or care about ultra HD movies. This is more about the prospect that all PS4 games going forward will be tailored to the new hardware and perform just as poorly as current PS4 games (the 'targeting 30fps' bullshit etc), which means they will definitely look and likely perform even worse on the original PS4.
dragonbane
Member
Give me Detroit on it and Im hyped
Marty Chinn
Member
Work is a vague term.
They can't enforce anything about the performance. Look at how Shadow of Mordor runs on PS4 and how it runs on PS3. Just because it releases on the platform is not enough.
You aren't getting what I am trying to say. Plus come across as condescending.
Aquavelvaman
Banned
Glad I haven't bought any current gen console yet. This E3 is going to be cray
I'm pretty sure that's up to the dev to decide. Sony isn't mandating games go PS4K down, rather than PS4 up.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Before this thread I had concluded that 14nm and/or Polaris was a no go for PS4K because of cost and yields being too low for ~1 million units a month
So what process node will this 2X GPU powered console be manufactured on? It can't be 28nm realistically...is there a 20/22nm node in mass production?
So what process node will this 2X GPU powered console be manufactured on? It can't be 28nm realistically...is there a 20/22nm node in mass production?
Astral Dog
Member
Jesus Christ :O
Glorified G
Member
One of the dumbest things Sony has done in a while. The total cost of ownership just went up a $1000 or more for the "full" experience. How do we know that Polyphony, who can barely get a game out as it is are going to put enough resources into both PS4 versions? For all we know the OG PS4 version could look like complete shit and maybe wouldn't if they had time to dedicate to one version only.
Devs don't have infinite manpower and are not going to increase costs on their own. Their will be trade offs, how much we don't know.
I'm most likely cancelling my PSVR pre order and won't bother will any of this untill late in the gen when everything is cheaper and we have a good idea what is the best possible experience on a console.
David Ricardo
Member
I don't think you understand the implications of this iterative bussiness model. Now you will never get a big library for any machine. You will have cross gen games early on and when the next console iteration is released, then you'll get crappy ports of the PS5 games. But you'll never get those late gen highly optimized games you got with the PS3, PS2 or PS1.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Probably never. That's the difference between an incremental upgrade and a full step-change; i.e PS5.
fiscal year ends in march. god of war 4 is probably march. god of war is generally a technical showcase.
SanguineShark
Member
Okay man. If you want just to ignore all the points people have been making for pages, go right ahead. You're either being intentionally obtuse or disingenuous
Some people view this as a big deal, because they can both have longstanding consequences. Just because you don't agree with the severity, does not make them any less concerning for those that do.
I would agree with that. I'm not sure how I feel about the ".5" console thing but if they do it then I want them to go all the way with it. As an early adopter if I'm gonna upgrade I want to really feel like I'm getting a really big leap, I don't want pay for a reasonable upgrade I want an impressive and obvious one.
Movalpolos
Banned
Okay....
I don't know how I missed this but the OP mentions Deep Down???
Yup. Calling bullshit on this. This is a huge set up for April fool's.
I don't know how I missed this but the OP mentions Deep Down???
Yup. Calling bullshit on this. This is a huge set up for April fool's.
*SIGHS* what is HDR
I thought that had to do with color in gaming, no?
Na. HDR is probably one of the biggest changes coming to TVs in a while.
http://www.stuff.tv/features/why-its-time-get-pumped-about-hdr-television
vpance
Member
How shitty do you think they'll run?
Devs will be playing with fire (and lost sales) if they choose to make a game that is unplayable and unsellable to 50M OG PS4 users.
Marty Chinn
Member
Someone told me all you need to do is configure some ini files and use APIs!