You're pissed about a company releasing a revised product after 3 years of the release of the original one
If that's the case you'll lose your shit having to upgrade every 1-2 years on PC
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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You're pissed about a company releasing a revised product after 3 years of the release of the original one
If that's the case you'll lose your shit having to upgrade every 1-2 years on PC
BossDarkseid
Member
Stahp
yeah people in here are acting like companies make bad moves or something
DonMigs85
Member
The games are hard-coded to run at a certain performance level, so any enhancements have to be patched in.
Meh, this kind of stuff may just cement me not bothering with consoles anymore.
PC is my primary system, and I spend money every couple of years upgrading it already.
I don't really need consoles to go that route too.
A) I don't use them enough
B) In the long run I don't think just keeping a PC up to date would even be much dearer than this kind of model. I mean I've only upgraded my graphics card in the last 5 years, which was £280. The only other thing I did was replacing a seven year old hard drive that broke for about £40. I mean I'm expecting the console to be £350 judging by the PSVR conversion rate.
C) It's still not going to be as powerful as a PC.
PC is my primary system, and I spend money every couple of years upgrading it already.
I don't really need consoles to go that route too.
A) I don't use them enough
B) In the long run I don't think just keeping a PC up to date would even be much dearer than this kind of model. I mean I've only upgraded my graphics card in the last 5 years, which was £280. The only other thing I did was replacing a seven year old hard drive that broke for about £40. I mean I'm expecting the console to be £350 judging by the PSVR conversion rate.
C) It's still not going to be as powerful as a PC.
ComputerBlue
Member
Let's say you were playing a multiplayer game. Available on both consoles, one runs at 30fps, the other at 60fps. Isn't that a pretty decent advantage to those with the 4.5? I keep seeing people say you'd still get to play the same games, but not without a disadvantage.
Come on. In a iOS/mobile gaming world Vita never stood a chance. And it never had a 40M users target audience.
Marty Chinn
Member
You were talking about this move will help grow the market/user base. I'm saying I don't see any evidence of that. It's a wash. Anyone can go out and buy a used PS4 right now without any effort to find one if they wanted. A price drop would likely grow the user base much more than this new model will. The only way this benefits is if there is a significant number of people who would not have bought a PS4 and only would jump in because there is a new more powerful PS4. These people would show how this really helps grow the market because they are sales you would have had otherwise. Someone buying a PS4K instead of a PS4 is an increase in one user regardless which one they went with so that's not growth. Just like you can show that there are people who won't buy a PS4 now because of the price but if you drop it by $50 or $100, they would, that shows the price drop would have growth. So the only way a 4K system has growth is if you can show a significant number of people who would never have bought a PS4 but now will buy a PS4K.
Hard resets are the worst possible scenario. Games will be listed as PS4 games, it won't be rocket science. Forwards/backwards compatibility means that developers don't have to worry about not having an install base. PS4 is still going strong, so why put out a PS5 with exclusive software?
NullPointer
Member
I still don't get that part.
Why wouldn't the games naturally perform better on more powerful hardware ala what you see on PC?
Wouldn't it actually take more work to limit those games to their regular PS4 performance? Does that mean running those games in a virtual PS4 environment with no capability to use the extra power in the box?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
So yeah now I may buy a PS4K.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
OK but that does not mean neglect. The PS4 doesn't automatically become obsolete. Sure we have never seen it but that's just it... We haven't because we have never had launches this close together... But seeing as these systems changed the whole script by adopting a PC standard, just like all other Min and Max's on PC, they will (imo) be treated like that. I don't see anything wrong with the PS4 being the minimum requirement like PCS and the PS4XK being the Max. However I still hold back to my original comment... We really don't know anything...
We have seen it everytime a new more powerful hardware iteration of a product arrives, software in the lesser hardware starts getting worse.
Like I said above, that really doesn't matter in a business where there are minimums and maximums. The PS4 is already at it exact minimum and on top of that, if these consoles adopted the PC standard on top of having the same updated tools as its predecessor... I don't see how this can all come crashing down over night. But I can't really say much because we simply don't know. I can't share the doom and gloom because I have no real answers and none of us do. Please don't take that as me saying that no discussion can't happen. I'm just kind of thrown back by all of this panic lol
perfectsil
Member
How can it be that cheap?
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
I might be with you. I bought 2 PS4's and Xbox Ones because they dropped split screen. Now. I dont even get a half gen out of that? Anyone who thinks this wont impact PS4 games is just silly. Why the fuck would they even make a new version if that wasn't going to be the preferred platform now?
I was wondering the same thing because it seem strange that they would say 2X more powerful & a lot faster.
texhnolyze
Banned
Why? It's 2x more GPU power.
I honestly don't know how GPU power scales as I've never had a high-end GPU.
Or what till 2025 for PS6 and so on. This logic doesn't make any sence outside of holding off when you know for sure when a newer version is coming out say 6 months or less not 3 years out lol how do you ever pull the trigger on anything that way? Tech moves too fast to always wait for the next big thing.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Consoles as a primary gaming device yes.
Xbox is releasing loads of their titles on PC, so not getting their next console. Not to mention they're also rumored to do something like this.
Nintendo has been doing this with handhelds which and I usually stick with getting one of the two versions anyways since I barely play handheld.
Sony was my primary reason to stick with consoles over the occasional low-intensity PC title. Now with this, I'm out. I might get the Nintendo consoles/handhelds on the side, but after this I have no interest in sticking around with a console as my primary gaming device.
Or you upgrade the first time and keep the same graphics card for 4-5 years, I don't need to play every game at ultimate settings, but I'm not gonna take this shit from consoles might as well go to PC.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Well if Sony don't someone else will. If Nintendo NX is indeed more powerful than PS4 Sony need to keep ahead of the game. They have it good with PS4 and no doubt betting the momentum will continue with PS4K.
Because that minimum is gonna get lower than what it would have been.
BossDarkseid
Member
Ps4 and Xbox One dont use Nvidia parts tho. As Durante said its more like a 280x...not sure how that compares to a 980Ti.
Putyouinmyoven
Member
For fuck sake this is actually happening isn't it -_- livin' in chump city.
googleplex
Member
I would imagine that on the developer would have to patch the game to unlock things like frame rate and resolution when running on the newer hardware.
luca_29_bg
Member
i hope you fail Sony if all of this is truth. You deserve it for this.
This dumb myth still continues? Lol, amazing.
::scratches head:: The rumors about "incremental upgrade consoles" started with MS though so...
They ARE ahead of the game with their huge user base. They just need to push games out faster, not push consoles.
Or number of pixels it can push (meaning it will perform half as well pushing 4x the pixels of 4k than the original pushing 1080p... lol)
I kid, I kid... but I also sort of have a point...
Welfare
Member
It was not $299 nationwide in either of those months.
This is a serious problem that GAF and other internet forums have. Just because you are informed does not mean the casual is. Not everyone goes to Amazon to see what price it is to price match, and not everyone is going to care about this 4K model the same way you guys are reacting right now.
Sony will market this new model as the newest and greatest way to play PS4 games and the consumer will see it and say, "Oh ok. Maybe this will get me to pick up a 4k tv/this will be what I use to show off my 4k tv." or "Oh that's ok I guess."
| Praxis |
Banned
No, I mean from the point of view of the restrictions on consoles. I can imagine many games being modded to be VR compatible, like my dream VR game Arma 3. You're just so limited with the consoles.
It isn't.
Dangansona
Member
Ugh this is a bad movie Sony.
Me_Marcadet
Member
PS4 and ps4k share the same platform. An optimized game for ps4k will also be an optimized game for the ps4. That's the whole point of the move, to get better graphics and performance without increasing dev cost.
All you people disappointment would have a point if the ps4k was a completely new platform with new way to optimize the code of the game.
In reality, ps4k simply offers more power to developers in order to have better performance or use fancy effects.
If a ps4k optimized game doesn't run well on the ps4, you need to consider that it wouldn't have run well without it neither.
The difference between ps4k and ps4 are a matter of using different settings and effects, optimization will just be chosing wich effect or setting match the console the best.
If a during development they find a new way to use the gpu in order to run the game better, it will benefit all versions because they share the same architecture.
If a game runs at 30fps on the ps4k and sub 20 on the ps4, it would mean that even without the ps4k you couldn't make the game run better. It is not a matter of optimization, but a poor game design choice when you rather sacrifice framerate over fancy effects, number of objects on screen or draw distance.
People disappointed by the news should prove exactly why optimizing for ps4k is hurting the ps4, this line of thinking doesn't make any sense with the informations we have.
This is even worse than saying that a developer who put lot of effort in a pc version, is bad for the ps4 and Xbox one versions. That doesn't make any sense.
The only good point is concerning online multi-player. It socks for you that ps4k users will have the advantage.
deejay8595
my posts are "MEH"
Glad I didn't buy a PS4 yet.
Maintenance
Member
You might be sarcastic but I can't let this opportunity go to waste.
"[PS3 is] for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one (Ken Kutaragi, 2005)
The Xbox - again, I can't come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity. (Kaz Hirai. 2009)
Much, much more here.
David Ricardo
Member
Yes, Sony must release a new PS4 right now because the NX exists. Don't you remember how Gamecube and Xbox were more powerful and totally destroyed the sales of the PS2? And how Dreamcast stole the sales of the PS1? Yeah, really Sony must release a substitute to it's record selling console inmediately to stop history repeating again.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
And where's the proof of that? I'm not the biggest PC guru but I know for a fact that someone can have a Titan and possibly achieve amazing quality 9/10. However the game isn't drastically problematic for someone who has 50% less power of that card. I don't believe that the difference is so far gone from the PS4 that it all of a sudden becomes hard to develop for and becomes a PS3 over night.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy?
Net_Wrecker
Member
If this thing releases in March 2017 with God of War 4 with a trade in or monthly plan, I'M IN
Hell, if this thing releases in March 2017 with God of War 4 I'm in
2x GPU and better CPU? Yesssssss
Hell, if this thing releases in March 2017 with God of War 4 I'm in
2x GPU and better CPU? Yesssssss
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It doesn't.
280x < 290x < 970 < 980 < 390x < 980ti < x80
