PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

I mean, they have to give an upgrade path to legacy owners, right? Do a trade in program with GameStop where you can upgrade to PS4K for $100-150, and then Game Stop sells the original model as a budget model.

Screwing over early adopters by coercing them to pay $400 AGAIN in < 3 years? That's not how you treat your best customers. No one wants to feel like they're trying to play Hyrule Warriors on the original 3DS everytime a new AAA game comes out.

Sensible upgrade path, please, or the console market really will be on a path to extinction.
 
Trago said:
If ps4 is being supported still, then I see no issue here.

Your ps4 games will still look great.
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...but they will look better on the PS4K. This is what is causing most of the issue and will divide the player base.

Just read any DF thread for a major release game to know this will be major issue for most people. Having games that 'still look great' just won't cut it for alot of people when they know there is a superior version out there from the same console manufacturer no less.
 
Naudi said:
Or what till 2025 for PS6 and so on. This logic doesn't make any sence outside of holding off when you know for sure when a newer version is coming out say 6 months or less not 3 years out lol how do you ever pull the trigger on anything that way? Tech moves too fast to always wait for the next big thing.
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Oh f*** off with that lazy logic. There is a substantial difference in buying a console and expecting it to at least be a comfortable for the next 5-6 years at least until a next generation, and a new iteration which is for all intents and purposes a PS5 except in name 3 years and a half after launch, and said launch had suffered a drought for the first 2 years.

People are going out of their way to find dumber and dumber examples to discredit any arguments
 
kc44135 said:
If Sony thinks they can actually do this and get away with it, they've lost their minds. This isn't how Consoles are supposed to work. It's an outright betrayal of the 40+ million who already bought the Console, and it will badly split the user base. Sony and PlayStation are done in the Console space if any of of this turns out to be true, and I'm done with them period. This is just disgusting to me.
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Sony, publicly apologize and cancel PS4K or you can kiss your business goodbye.
 
EatinOlives said:
You're making a completely baseless assumption that the PS4 games will run "fine", and the PS4K games will run "better".

As opposed to the very real alternative, that PS4K games will run "fine" and PS4 games will run "bad". And before you say this doesn't happen, do check out stuff like Hyrule Warriors Legends on 3DS, where the game was "fine" on new 3DS but runs like complete garbage on regular 3DS.
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Hyrule Warriors Legends is a port from the more powerful Wii U system. If the new 3DS didn't exist all you would get would be the "complete garbage on regular 3DS". Also note that Hyrule Warriors Legends released 5 years after the initial release of the 3DS. That is the equivalent of a generation anyway. For example the Xbox 360 released only 4 years after the original Xbox.

Just like with the hysteria over the PS4K, this was interpreted all wrong. If wasn't that the original 3DS got short changed. It was that the original 3DS was lucky to get the port at all and was probably only done due to the similarities between the 2 versions of the 3DS. Without the newer 3DS it is unlikely that the original 3DS would have ever gotten the port at all.
 
NullPointer said:
I still don't get that part.

Why wouldn't the games naturally perform better on more powerful hardware ala what you see on PC?

Wouldn't it actually take more work to limit those games to their regular PS4 performance? Does that mean running those games in a virtual PS4 environment with no capability to use the extra power in the box?
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Any games that have unstable framerates will likely run better but anything more complex can't be done unless there's some OS level scaling options.
 
Tainted said:
...but they will look better on the PS4K. This is what is causing most of the issue and will divide the player base.

Just read any DF thread for a major release game to know this will be major issue for most people. Having games that 'still look great' just won't cut it for alot of people when they know there is a superior version out there from the same console manufacturer no less.
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Then I'd say if people are that worried, that's their own insecurities. If people want to be on the cutting edge, it requires spending more money on the thing you want. Like, this isn't a Sony issue but a personal problem tbh. I don't understand how Sony should be held responsible for wanting to move forward? At the end of the day, by releasing a new system, it isn't killing gaming and killing off and entire of industry that feeds on moving forward and making something new and fresh.
 
For the people who already bought a PS4 (Me included) why would it matter if you don't buy a PS4K? this is for new people to have more of a reason to buy it, you might be jealous & upset about a better PS4 being out for new people to buy but how is this a bad thing for the people who haven't bought a PS4 yet? then we have the people who haven't bought one then claiming that they are not going to buy one because of this, how does this even hurt you in anyway? if anything this should make you happy that you're able to get a console this powerful in a time where consoles have to be lower powered because of government laws.
 
I think one significant problem is that really, if the 7th gen wasn't extended artificially with Kinect/Move and stayed with the traditional 5-6 year cycle, we would be going into the 9th gen for 4k this year. Tech is already going into 4k, and consoles are behind because of XB1 and PS4 launching later than usual.
 
The big questions is, can I buy a new system and not have to get new controllers and such? If it is PS4.5 can't I just get the box and power cord?
 
I think this is principally for upping the quality of the VR gaming, so for example let's say that EVE: Valkyrie runs at 720@60 reprojected to 120fps on OGPS4, then on PS4.5 it runs at 1080@90 or even at native 120fps or something like that.

Of course, with the extra power the devs can make the normal games run better too, like U4 runing at 1080p60fps loked or maybe at 4k30fps with some kind of scaling, but if the delta is 2~3x then it isn't like PS3 to PS4, not even close.
 
I don't like this, but being honest with myself $500 isn't a whole lot of money for me (assuming I keep my job). Won't buy until I see what it actually does over the current offering, and my PC can pick up any multiplat games anyway. GoW4 and PSVR will have to sell me.
 
texhnolyze said:
I hate hypocritical people.
My console is 30fps, my PC can't do 60fps on most newer games. But I don't 'prefer' 30fps, I always want 60fps in my games.



Yeah, kinda. It's 2x more powerful afterall.
It's like going from 7870 (PS4 equivalent gpu) to the 980Ti or even better, somewhat.
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Lol, what? This thread just gets crazier and crazier.

It's like going from a GTX 950 (.5 the PS4's GPu is abit more powerful) to a GTX 960 (.5 the Ps4k would be - assuming rumors are correct be slightly more powerful).

NOT a GTX 980ti, or "better".

Oh man, this is GDDR5, suppa charged architecture all over agian, isn't it?

This is essentially a pretty poor value, for the first time in loooong while. You cna build a PC that matches this for around $50 more - the cost of a year of PSN+, nevermore the money you'd save on games and the fact that a PC is well, a PC, so there's a lot more than it cna do that a Ps4k couldn't do.

No longer can it be said that the PC is so much more expensive at launch. What's the point? The 1 or two exclusive titles a year the playstaiton gets? I guess that's worth it to some, but I imagine that value proposition is going to start looking bad for a lot of folks.
 
As an early adopter I will be pissed if this is true . Same goes with my Xbox one , I already feel I got abit shafted being an early adopter to that system .

But I was content with both as I expected them to last at least 5 years . Forcing us to upgrade is a terrible decision , I would have been OK with a minor upgrade where games would run on all systems but if his is true games will be only pkayable on the new system .
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
And where's the proof of that? I'm not the biggest PC guru but I know for a fact that someone can have a Titan and possibly achieve amazing quality 9/10. However the game isn't drastically problematic for someone who has 50% less power of that card. I don't believe that the difference is so far gone from the PS4 that it all of a sudden becomes hard to develop for and becomes a PS3 over night.
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On PC the end user can customize the options to get their desired performance.
If a PS4 game is made with PS4K as a target and then has terrible performance at sub 30fps , that won't ever, ever change. This is why the comparison with PC makes no sense whatsoever. the user has zero control. The PS4K is only a rumour at this momento and the PS4 is already full of terrible performing sub 30fps messes.
The PS4K release will only make this worse.
 
ShinUltramanJ said:
A monthly plan. I can't believe I'm seeing this. We've gotten to the point of wanting a monthly plan when buying a console. Stop this train, I need to get off.
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It's just a thought to make it more palatable for everyone.


But like I said, I'm in no matter what. Late Q1 2017 would make it ~40 months since the PS4 launched. UPGRADE TIME. I was not a fan of the long ass generation last time around. 3.5 to 4 year gens = Hell yes
 
I really don't think the technical quality of the games will drop on the base PS4 once the PS4K comes out, simply because Sony will still be selling it until at least 2018. PS4K isn't meant to outright replace the PS4, that's where the big difference with phones and the likes is.

The way I see it, nothing will change for those who want to keep their early PS4, while those who want better performance now have the option to upgrade, and the people who've been holding off to buy one can now get something better. I only see positives.

I'll be the first to blame Sony if the games are not up to par on the base PS4 but I just don't see that happening.
 
MrHoot said:
Oh f*** off with that lazy logic. There is a substantial difference in buying a console and expecting it to at least be a comfortable for the next 5-6 years at least until a next generation, and a new iteration which is for all intents and purposes a PS5 except in name 3 years and a half after launch, and said launch had suffered a drought for the first 2 years.

People are going out of their way to find dumber and dumber examples to discredit any arguments
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Take it easy there dude...Your PS4 will still work for 5-6 years. I was only saying the logic of waiting till late 2018 for a PS5 is crazy considering 2016 just started. It wasn't my logic to begin with as you can see the post I quoted.
 
Whyyyyy did I buy a PS4 in October?

Guess it's back to Nintendo + PC for me. Maybe I can sell the PS4 and put it toward a new video card.

Ninty please no incremental NX upgrades.
 
Wouldn't Q1 be an awful release date? They'd have to announce it before Christmas, but would completely cannibalise their holiday sales. That sounds ridiculous to me!
 
Marty Chinn said:
You were talking about this move will help grow the market/user base. I'm saying I don't see any evidence of that. It's a wash. Anyone can go out and buy a used PS4 right now without any effort to find one if they wanted. A price drop would likely grow the user base much more than this new model will. The only way this benefits is if there is a significant number of people who would not have bought a PS4 and only would jump in because there is a new more powerful PS4. These people would show how this really helps grow the market because they are sales you would have had otherwise. Someone buying a PS4K instead of a PS4 is an increase in one user regardless which one they went with so that's not growth. Just like you can show that there are people who won't buy a PS4 now because of the price but if you drop it by $50 or $100, they would, that shows the price drop would have growth. So the only way a 4K system has growth is if you can show a significant number of people who would never have bought a PS4 but now will buy a PS4K.
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We will be more or less at the midpoint of a classical generation when the PS4K releases. The point where usually there's a hardware refresh in terms of size, colors, diferent sized hard drives, etc. That's usually targeted to more price sensitive users that wait for a price decrease at the latter half of the life cycle. That crowd will have the OG PS4 as their SKU of choice. Lower the price, add a bigger HDD, smaller case. Done. People that already have a console usually only buy a new slimmer model if their console is broken or about to be, or if they want to have an extra console for the bedroom or a sibling. With a premium SKU, price aligned with the OG PS4 launch price, the PS4K will target a more tech sensitive crowd. The people that won't mind to pay another 400$ every 3 years to stay at the top of the wave. There will be some overlap in these groups of course, but with this strategy Sony wants to try to please these two groups and keep them engaged in the platform. And that including a second platform, PSVR, linked to the PS4 that will greatly benefit from a souped up PS4.
 
Lister said:
Lol, what? This thread just gets crazier and crazier.

It's like going from a GTX 950 (.5 the PS4's GPu is abit more powerful) to a GTX 960 (.5 the Ps4k would be - assuming rumors are correct be slightly more powerful).

NOT a GTX 980ti, or "better".

Oh man, this is GDDR5, suppa charged architecture all over agian, isn't it?
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Calm down.
As I said, I've never had a high-end gpu so I have no idea how gpu scales at all. I can only check them on gpu comparison sites to see the clock numbers and stuff.
 
I've owned inferior hardware for my entire fucking life, and now that I finally have a PS4 by the next year it will be inferior yet again. Not to mention I can totally see games making use of PS4K's advantages suffering significant downgrades when ported to original hardware or being CANCELLED out right, making games exclusive to PS4K. Very worried about this, money-wise I won't be able to afford this for a few years especially if there's no trade-in program.
 
BoxManLocke said:
I really don't think the technical quality of the games will drop on the base PS4 once the PS4K comes out, simply because Sony will still be selling it until at least 2018. PS4K isn't meant to outright replace the PS4, that's where the big difference with phones and the likes is.

The way I see it, nothing will change for those who want to keep their early PS4, while those who want better performance now have the option to upgrade. I only see positives.

I'll be the first to blame Sony if the games are not up to par on the base PS4 but I just don't see that happening.
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I think early adopters and allot of PS4 gamers will want the better performing PS4, I can understand why early adopters may feel some type of way.
 
AusRoachman said:
As an early adopter I will be pissed if this is true . Same goes with my Xbox one , I already feel I got abit shafted being an early adopter to that system .

But I was content with both as I expected them to last at least 5 years . Forcing us to upgrade is a terrible decision , I would have been OK with a minor upgrade where games would run on all systems but if his is true games will be only pkayable on the new system .
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Forced? Unplayable on PS4? So many incorrect statements here.
 
Marty Chinn said:
You were talking about this move will help grow the market/user base. I'm saying I don't see any evidence of that. It's a wash. Anyone can go out and buy a used PS4 right now without any effort to find one if they wanted. A price drop would likely grow the user base much more than this new model will. The only way this benefits is if there is a significant number of people who would not have bought a PS4 and only would jump in because there is a new more powerful PS4. These people would show how this really helps grow the market because they are sales you would have had otherwise. Someone buying a PS4K instead of a PS4 is an increase in one user regardless which one they went with so that's not growth. Just like you can show that there are people who won't buy a PS4 now because of the price but if you drop it by $50 or $100, they would, that shows the price drop would have growth. So the only way a 4K system has growth is if you can show a significant number of people who would never have bought a PS4 but now will buy a PS4K.
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No, it benefits from the people who bought a PS4K as their first PS4, it doesn't matter how much you infer on if they would have bought a PS4 if the PS4K never existed, they didn't. They bought the PS4K.

It also benefits form the people that upgrade, as they will sell or give away their PS4, as it will maintain an inherent value through ongoing support.
 
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