You're missing the point. I'm a console dude, but I can understand why someone would rather get a PC when consoles throw away the benefits they have.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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You're missing the point. I'm a console dude, but I can understand why someone would rather get a PC when consoles throw away the benefits they have.
Darkangel
Member
I don't get why they would do this when the PS4 is already on top and selling extremely well. Is the double dipper market really that lucrative? It's not like Sony ever made much profit on the hardware itself.
4K Blu-ray support could easily be built into a PS4 slim without splitting the market. I hope it's like the DSi/N3DS and developers don't really take advantage of the extra power.
4K Blu-ray support could easily be built into a PS4 slim without splitting the market. I hope it's like the DSi/N3DS and developers don't really take advantage of the extra power.
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Trojan
Member
Lmao
Yeah with PC you never feel behind the curve. My 2k PC from around 3.5 years ago is fully functional with VR and everything!
StylesClash
Member
Where did the Q1 2017 come from? I didn't see that earlier.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Oh Please Square Enix support PS4K for FFXV: in some areas textures look blurry and filtering isn't that great. A little bump will make the game tasty.
TheCongressman1
Member
These kinds of moves are pretty pointless for consoles. There's only going to be a handful of games that actually take advantage of this. I'll be skipping it for sure.
Lister
Banned
I think bottom line, atleast a posisble full 16x AF + better frame rates. That alone would make a big difference, nevermind better LOD and view distance assuming a CPu bump as well.
But the quesiotn is: is that worth it, not knowing how long your version of PS4 will be supported, paying for online, and paying more for games, over a PC that can still be more powerful, and has the advanatge of being modular?
That's up to PS4 gamers to decide I guess.
It's going to be interesting.
But the quesiotn is: is that worth it, not knowing how long your version of PS4 will be supported, paying for online, and paying more for games, over a PC that can still be more powerful, and has the advanatge of being modular?
That's up to PS4 gamers to decide I guess.
It's going to be interesting.
EventHorizon
Member
I think a few things things are pushing the PS4K
- Sony wants to sell 4K TVs and needs their console to support it to create demand
- Xbox is without a doubt going to jump the gun and offer an upgraded version of their console too. Sony doesn't want to get caught flat footed. Sony could still lose out because people who already own a PS4 might choose the upgraded Xbox as their next purchase in order to own both platforms.
- VR is rapidly advancing. There is no way that Sony can wait a full hardware generation before providing upgraded hardware
- AMD is doing the R&D so it doesn't cost Sony much to upgrade. They just use upgraded AMD parts
- Now that consoles have standardized on x86 on architecture, full cross compatibility can easily be maintained. A hardware upgrade no longer forces developers to make all new engines
It's definitely a strategy to soften the blow a bit, lose some steam, until the official reveal. And gives them time to fine tune the marketing strategy. They know very well, that this would upset a fair number of people.
Massive upgrade? 2x is by no means massive. A generational leap is normally about 10x. 2x is about the difference between a PS2 and an Xbox.
roadrunn3r
Member
You were actually right as you can't directly compare PS4 TFlops with Nvidia ones. Twice the PS4 is still a 380/280X so a bit above 960 performance.
robertlebrone
Member
The thing is the performance of the PS4 and XB1 have been trash almost from the beginning. Some games that aren't capable of running at 30 fps consistently and others that run at odd sub-1080p resolutions. If you were OK with that before then why are you not OK with it now? Future PS4 games will run as poorly as they do now.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Don't think I agree on this. With my PC I've got more components to be concerned with upgrading.
It's a lot easier to just swap a box out for another box.
One aspect PC does better is your old games improve without the need for a developer. That's a big deal.
It says right in the OP:
"It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance."
So it's clearly happening with a few developers. I'm not saying it like it's a done deal, but you will see some developers overtime skew towards targeting the higher spec.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Bed time hard keeping up with this thread it shifts so fast.
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This was recently quoted. I'll try and find it. It's the closed system optimization that lets them squeeze more out of the 1.8 than a PC with a 1.8 gpu.
The PS2/Xbox comparison is a really good example
Birgitte2004
Member
They might have just caused a Wii situation, making their sales nosedive. PS4 sales certainly will drop, although it's hard to say to what extent, and who knows if PS4K sales will do well, especially if it is several hundred dollars higher.
Rice-Eater
Member
I did buy a PS4 at launch and personally I have no problem with this as long as games still work on the first PS4. I don't expect this new PS4 to be that much more powerful. I know what was quoted in the OP may sound that way, but I don't believe this will be anywhere as drastic as cross gen games that came out for PS3 and PS4 at the same time. PS4K will be a little nicer, that's cool. People are saying the original PS4 version of these future games will be gimped, I think they'll be no better than they would be if this thing never existed.
I don't plan on selling my PS4 for it. But if I get a 4k TV next year I'll probably get a PS4K as a 4k player and 2nd console. Maybe then I'll sell my PS4 or give it away.
I don't plan on selling my PS4 for it. But if I get a 4k TV next year I'll probably get a PS4K as a 4k player and 2nd console. Maybe then I'll sell my PS4 or give it away.
casual_gamer
Banned
Sony as a company appears to be all in on 4K. 4K streaming, UHD, 4K phones, etc... I'm pretty sure this is nothing more than increased specs so that the games will look good on a 4K TV. And I very seriously doubt this is an SCE move.
PSVR will also be a huge driver. Consoles as we now know them are probably dead, and it was inevitable with the move to Intel CPU's and AMD GPU's. I'm interested to see which one figures out to "rent" these machines out first, like a cable box. I'm betting it will be MS. I just want a decent UHD player, and the games are a bonus
PSVR will also be a huge driver. Consoles as we now know them are probably dead, and it was inevitable with the move to Intel CPU's and AMD GPU's. I'm interested to see which one figures out to "rent" these machines out first, like a cable box. I'm betting it will be MS. I just want a decent UHD player, and the games are a bonus
In a sense, the 4.5 is incremental upgrade, as would be a 2x GPU.
Now the CPU could use a serious overhaul.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Can I get a rational and non-emotional answer from the people who are saying they are going to ditch Sony and buy a gaming PC as to why they think that is a good idea? Is this a spin on the 'pre-order canceled' meme? Do these people realize how much upgrading and 'fragmentation in the user base' they are in for when they buy that gaming rig?
They're certainly paying attention with how to approach marketing and messaging. If devs have kits it's guaranteed happening but Sony could shift policies around to make sure PS4 owners don't feel cheated.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
This also impacts overall gen life. Will there be a v3 PS4 next? Maybe there is no PS5. Its a slippery slope.
Consoles are using AMD CPUs and AMD GPUs.
Lister
Banned
That's not relaly closed system based. I'm sure that cuts down on time to optimize, but doesn't magiclaly make it more optimizable.
The main advanatge has always been a thinner driver model. They have direct access to GPU and system memory, as well as an incredibly efficient draw call system.
PC GPU's never had that until DX 12 and Vulkan (though draw calls improved significantly with DX 11).
civilstrife
Member
I for one cannot wait for all E3 presentations, marketing material and review copies to be of games running on the PS4K, with the vanilla PS4 version embargoed until release day.
It'll be Titanfall 360, but for everything!
It'll be Titanfall 360, but for everything!
WOOOO I'm in day 1 
upgraded PS4 yes please!
You peasants complaining about the upgrade.. Of course considerable sacrifices are being made made... Have you not looked at a PC running games at 1080p/60fps with everything maxed out? Compare that to the 30fps you get on PS4, you are already getting inferior versions. I don't see you raising your pitchforks there? You all seemed pretty content provided you were getting better performance than the Xbox One and were close to 30fps. Now something comes out that will make your console inferior and you complain.
If a good game is a good game regardless of resolution/framerate then you will be just as happy on the older inferior PS4 hardware. Or are you all admitting that 30fps is a total joke and is never acceptable?
To upgrade my PC with a new Mobo/CPU/Ram I'm looking at nearly $1000 I'm still not convinced that this new PS4 is faster than my 2500k GTX 970 PC which aside from the video card is nearly 5 years old -_- I wish sony went all out and put top of the line stuff into this and just had it be super expensive for those willing to pay.
upgraded PS4 yes please!You peasants complaining about the upgrade.. Of course considerable sacrifices are being made made... Have you not looked at a PC running games at 1080p/60fps with everything maxed out? Compare that to the 30fps you get on PS4, you are already getting inferior versions. I don't see you raising your pitchforks there? You all seemed pretty content provided you were getting better performance than the Xbox One and were close to 30fps. Now something comes out that will make your console inferior and you complain.
If a good game is a good game regardless of resolution/framerate then you will be just as happy on the older inferior PS4 hardware. Or are you all admitting that 30fps is a total joke and is never acceptable?
To upgrade my PC with a new Mobo/CPU/Ram I'm looking at nearly $1000 I'm still not convinced that this new PS4 is faster than my 2500k GTX 970 PC which aside from the video card is nearly 5 years old -_- I wish sony went all out and put top of the line stuff into this and just had it be super expensive for those willing to pay.
Lemme get this straight...
People really believe and fear, that devs will focus so much on the PS4K version, and it's tiny userbase, that they'll push out crappy version to the massive PS4 base, which are the people who will keep their lights on and families fed.
Okay, Got it.
These motherfuckers are just crazy.
DING DING DING
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Admiral Woofington
Member
Because it's not about the cost, it's the principle for me.
I haven't built a PC because consoles were there. I would buy a console it would last me 5+ years and then I upgrade. No bullshit, I knew devs would focus on the console to run at its optimal.
Here comes the mid-gen consoles. Now devs have the option to focus on that and make a watered down version for the regular version. If I have to deal with worrying about this, I'd rather build a PC, and upgrade every 5 or so years with the top of the line card.
I stayed with consoles since childhood to not deal with this annoyance, but now that I'm older and have the money I've been with consoles simply because fuck it I've always been a console gamer and didn't find the need to ALSO build a PC. Now that consoles want to do something similar to PC, and say Microsoft wants to sell a lot of their games on PC too for Windows 10, what's my incentive to stick with consoles anymore.
Exclusives were nice but a device that lasted you for 5+ years before upgrading was comforting, if Sony wants to upgrade every 3 years now and I stuck with consoles I'd be buying the latest and greatest simply because I'd want the best version of the game available because that's how consoles have been. And if that's the way consoles wanna go, I'm moving to PC then.
Why do people keep saying this like its an insult? If you think about the analogy you are making.
PS4 = old shitty healthcare system
PS4K - kinda better but still shitty healthcare system
PC - Single Payer Healthcare
PC-GAF would welcome this movement and have been saying PC Gaming is superior all along. Every console generation we have seen more and more breakdown of what console gaming was and getting closer and closer to PC gaming. Really the last couple arguments for console gaming left was exclusives and not having to deal with hardware upgrades for 6 to 8 years. If a console gamer is going to start to be asked to drop $400-500 every couple years now to stay current then doesn't it make more sense to invest in PC Gaming?
David Ricardo
Member
This looks more and more like it's about VR and not 4k. So don't expect Sony to cut many corners to make 4k games for this "PS4k"
Lister
Banned
I think this is why the guy I was pasting from got confused. Still, should of caught that basic math error
So I'm most right, or only partilaly wrong, depending on how want ot look at it.
jellies_two
Member
I don't really see why people are bent out of shape about it, Apple releases new phones and iPads every year or two with multiples of power without destroying their lock on gaming, and without becoming pc tweaking hell either.
Sure at some point your old iPad stops running newer games well enough to be satisfying but that's just the nature of the curve.
It seems weird to get upset about an additional option and also weird to say consoles become like pcs merely because they plan to tighten the gap between state of the art and production. And even weirder to spit the dummy and say that's it I am going to shift my gaming to pcs. If you hate the idea of two SKUs then pcs is just that situation cubed.
Sure at some point your old iPad stops running newer games well enough to be satisfying but that's just the nature of the curve.
It seems weird to get upset about an additional option and also weird to say consoles become like pcs merely because they plan to tighten the gap between state of the art and production. And even weirder to spit the dummy and say that's it I am going to shift my gaming to pcs. If you hate the idea of two SKUs then pcs is just that situation cubed.
Chiaroscuro
Member
4 to 5 years cycle was the norm until 360/PS3 with expand the cycle to 8-9 years which was not good imo.
This PS4K is a little bit earlier but that was a fault in the initial design (even more in the case of Xbox One). However launching early 2017 and miss 2016 Xmas season???
NullPointer
Member
Mmmhmmm
I am actually upset about how short the lifespan on my iPad 1 turned out to be. Apple's entire model can fuck off imho.
Maybe there won't be a true Playstation dedicated closed box after PS4K.
I could see that being the case.
Luckily I didn't buy a OLED a year ago instead of a 4K TV (I did). I didn't think 4K would hit consoles in years. Fuck, well played Sony.
PS4K doesn't mean all your favorite games will have a 4K native resolution on your 4K TV. It isn't even a big PC gaming trend (because it doesn't cost 500$ to get 4K) and on consoles you still have sub-1080p games. So don't worry, the best you'll miss will be the shitty PS+ game in 4K or a PS2 remaster 2 years after the release of the console. Youpi.