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[Dance Inferno]

Or what till 2025 for PS6 and so on. This logic doesn't make any sence outside of holding off when you know for sure when a newer version is coming out say 6 months or less not 3 years out lol how do you ever pull the trigger on anything that way? Tech moves too fast to always wait for the next big thing.

It makes sense because I have a PC, so I can just keep upgrading that. I'm more than happy to wait until the end of the generation and pick up a PS4 on the cheap to play the handful of exclusives that I missed. To be honest, in all the time since the PS4 launched, the only games I really want to try are Bloodborne and Uncharted 4. So yeah, waiting for another 5-10 years isn't really an issue for me.

 

[RevolverRoden]

No trade in?
Fuck off

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I'll eat my words if there's a trade in system where I can give my old ps4 and trade in for a ps4k for like 200, I'll say that much. I'll eat crow like a motherfucker because screw it, $200 upgrade still means I'm getting <$100 /year of console, which was great for me.

 

[Valahart]

Am I allowed to feel this is a disrespectful move? Who would expect the best selling console to sort of start getting substituted after 3 years? 'Cause from what I'm reading that's basically what's happening.

 

[Corto]

2x GPU power only? 4K its 4 times 1080p. Trouble ahead.

Actually 4K means the horizontal resolution. So it's 2*1920=3840 ~4000 pixels

 

[SmokedMeat]

i hope they offer an upgrade path for existing ps4 owners...

I keep seeing this. You've heard of eBay right?

 

[pupcoffee]

I feel like the consumer would want to know things like:

"When is the PS5 coming out, though?"
"What if the PS5 is able to play high-settings PS4 games as well? Won't that mean waiting for the PS5 is going to pay off better?"

We have no idea how this fits into the broader plan which is bad because we prefer knowing what to expect, which is a new generation every 5-7 years. This just complicates the whole thing and leaves us feeling open to manipulation.

 

[jeffram]

2x GPU power only? 4K its 4 times 1080p. Trouble ahead.

1920x2160 is my guess. Anything above 1080, they can reasonably justify and scale up to 4k.

 

[Yurikerr]

What would be the difficulty for developers to target PS4 as high and PS4 as medium? Like we see with a lot of multiplatform games now?

I understand that people are afraid of developers investing all their time in the best version and leaving the crappier as a aftertough.

To be fair I'm more concerned about the XB1 version of the games than the PS4's,as we're seeing many games having a substandard performance with only 2 targets to develop for.

 

[Maintenance]

Is anyone saying "your PS4 will run the game the same way as before" at least reading the OP?
Its clear on the OP that some devs will target the 4K and the OG will suffer "sacrifices".

People clearly are not reading that, I even quoted it the time I came into this thread.

 

[RoboPlato]

Actually 4K means the horizontal resolution. So it's 2*1920=3840 ~4000 pixels

4k doubles both horizontal and vertical. It's 4x 1080p

 

[MegaboyX]

Well, considering the most recent example of this as Hyrule Warriors which left the millions of 3DS owners screwed compared to the incredibly small amount of N3DS owners. Their fears might be warranted...

Are you suggesting that that game would have run great on regular 3ds if the new one didn't exist??? People who want it to run better would buy the better hardware.

 

[BossDarkseid]

Honestly, make the move, you'll never look back.

I used to buy every console available (no exaggeration, literally every console) until I realized the value you get out of a gaming PC.

Sorta rhis. Ive been moving to more PC gaming thr last 2 years. If console ezcxclusives were on PC and my Hardware could play them at a better than console framerate and resolution then id never play on console again really.

That said even on PC the only person who forcea you to upgrade parts is yourself. I have a 5820k and a 980Ti and on PC run at 1440p and for the sorts of games I enjoy i wont really feel a need to upgrade for a long time yet.

It seems weird that some people talk about being forced to upgrade like they seek validation through their console lasting 5 years/a generation. Maybe its the wording but all the 4k does is introduce a comparatively marginal variar into how you measure that.

Especially when you see the roaring suceas the n3ds has been with 100s of exclusive titles. The OPs "report" about someone saying devs are targeting the 4k spec sort of seems like the opposite of business decisions developers historically make. Esp considering a huge reason for so many cross gen titlrs was the install base. This is a 2x rougly increase, cross gen was 10x.

 

[spwolf]

What would be the difficulty for developers to target PS4 as high and PS4 as medium? Like we see with a lot of multiplatform games now?

I understand that people are afraid of developers investing all their time in the best version and leaving the crappier as a aftertough.

To be fair I'm more concerned about the XB1 version of the games than the PS4's,as we're seeing many games having a substandard performance with only 2 targets to develop for.

super easy.

And yes, PS4 is far more gimped with existence of XB1 than PS4k.

 

[Matt]

Of course the vast majority of games will be scaled.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Sounds good to me. Win win.

 

[King Gilga]

Gonna chug through my remaining games and return my ps4 to Amazon asap. Fuck off Sony

 

[BoxManLocke]

I want to ask everyone supporting this idea a question. If this is real, and the PS4.5 is a substantial upgrade over the original, what's the point of consoles? Please don't say "you DON'T have to upgrade", because if what the OP is saying is true, then yes, you do. Games will be targeted for the PS4K, and run poorly on the PS4, so it's pretty much an essential upgrade.

Why would they keep selling the base PS4 if Sony considered you HAD to upgrade ?

 

[Heshinsi]

How is PC more expensive to upgrade though?

A 970 here in Canada goes for roughly the same price as PS4, and that's just the graphics card. Not to mention that cars is already close to a year and a half old.

 

[FloatOn]

Once again it pays to jump into the console game late. If at all. I feel sorry for early adopters.

 

[RaijinFY]

This wouldn't had been needed if Ps4 didn't have a crappy netbook CPU to start with.

They didnt have any choice... That was only CPU AMD had available at that time.

 

[Jolkien]

Probably in day one just like my PS4.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Of course the vast majority of games will be scaled.

Everyone can relax now. Only the devs will be getting dangerous

 

[RoboPlato]

Of course the vast majority of games will be scaled.

Is it just a standard upscale or something more?

 

[Punkster_NY]

You've got my money on day one, Sony. Lets fucking do this!

 

[Tobor]

Once again it pays to jump into the console game late. If at all. I feel sorry for early adopters.

Why? While you were not owning one, I was busy enjoying my PS4. Now I'll upgrade and sell the old one.

 

[Serick]

Once again it pays to jump into the console game late. If at all. I feel sorry for early adopters.

Don't I've been enjoying my day 1 PS4s emensly and will enjoy my day 1 PS4K.

 

[lebowski4ever]

I keep seeing this. You've heard of eBay right?

no..no i haven't..what is it?

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Phantom Pain, Tomb Raider, and Call of Duty were all running on Xbox 360's. Those games are 3 months old, and the PS4 is 10x more powerful than the 360.

So they go from making games for Xbox 360 for 10 years, and now all of a sudden, out of nowhere, for no apparent reason, before the system has even been maxed out, we need a new console?

More to do with vr, 4k movies imo

Without those initial doubt it happens. few games look nearly as good as the order

I hope gran Turisomo can have nice benefits

 

[jeffram]

Is anyone saying "your PS4 will run the game the same way as before" at least reading the OP?
Its clear on the OP that some devs will target the 4K and the OG will suffer "sacrifices".

We know the PS4K will be more powerful, and that all be comparatively better than the PS4. Whether you consider that sacrifices from the PS4K version, or improvements from the PS4 version, it will still be the difference. The issue is if the PS4 version is not the best the PS4 is capable of, or at least comparable to the experience if it was the only SKU.

All games come out with "sacrifices" from what gets programmed in the development kits or high end PCs to create something that will run on the PS4.

Naughty Dog probably has tech for U4, that it turns out they couldn't use because it was taxing on the system. Its just that you'll never see that running to feel bad about it.

 

[Corto]

4k doubles both horizontal and vertical. It's 4x 1080p

Yikes. Didn't read as the poster was already talking about pixel numbers. *downs head and whistles away*

 

[LordOcidax]

So what would I get for an OG 3DS?

A Vita+$5

 

[jellies_two]

Mmmhmmm


I am actually upset about how short the lifespan on my iPad 1 turned out to be. Apple's entire model can fuck off imho.

The ipad1 was released 6 years ago!
To extend its life beyond the 3 or 4 years it was useful, would have required holding back the whole web, and iOS gaming as well.

It isn't realistic to expect product cycle lifetimes from the 80s in a world where everything else is getting reinvented every two years.

Look at how punished nintendo is for not taking advantage of newer chips fast enough.

 

[kc44135]

There's a few reasons for me:
1. I get bad wrist pain from playing with keyboards. As someone who likes shooters and will play online from time to time, it'll essentially mean I wouldn't be able to play my favorite games on a PC for more than an hour at a time.

2. I get really bad OCD with graphics setting options. I change them on a room to room basis, I can't just relax and play.

3. Many excellent games don't hit PC, get late PC releases, or shit PC ports.

4. I would be tempted to upgrade far more often on PC than with 3-4 year console upgrades.

5. I can't afford the upfront cost of a PC as my computer is a Macbook.

You've made some solid points. Fair enough, then. For me, though, if Consoles stop providing the value I've come to expect from them, I just don't see the point in remaining a PC gamer. I like Consoles precisely because I don't want to have to upgrade every few years, and because I don't want to have to worry about whether or not my system can run the newest games. I feel safe in the knowledge that I can put a PS4 game in my PS4, and it just works. I don't have to worry if was optimized for my system or not. If all that is going to change, then I just don't want any part of console gaming anymore.

 

[Mushroom021]

What they should announce is that they're cutting the console cycle in half. That's the long and the short of it. PS5 will not be much of an upgrade at all, similar from ps4-4.5 essentially. What you buy day 1 has a much shorter shelf life than the previous consoles did. Yes they will still work, but they are the gimped version. Consoles are dead if this is real.

 

[SolidChamp]

Looks like it'll be a PS4 in one room, and a PS4K in the other.

 

[Josh5890]

For those asking where the PS4K theoretically stands I made this. By made I mean I took Tom's Hardware GPU and added consoles to the Intel column. I feel it's a good representation of where the consoles stand compared to PC GPUs.

Where's Wii-U?

 

[DietRob]

I already have a gaming rig, the PS4K isn't going to be 400$ here, it is going to be much, much more. With the money that I spend getting a new one I can easily get more PC parts (more RAM, more HDDs, new SSDs, more coolers).

Last year I went the easy route and got a PS4 instead of a PC because I thought "hey, at least I'll be able to ride this until next gen". Guess I was wrong and should've upgraded my PC even further.

What GAF never realizes is that even though the majority of members are from the USA/CAN/Europe, there are many people from other countries that have to deal with prices that are not near the MSRP.

Ah I see. Your right I didn't take into account various countries and the price fluctuations that can happen. However, you are wrong about not being able to 'ride this until next gen'. From all indications you will absolutely be able to so. I suspect that part of your reason for buying a PS4 instead of more computer parts is because you have interest in the offerings from their exclusive studios. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for you to purchase it considering at the time of it's release it was already significantly less powerful than a PC built for gaming.

It will still serve it's purpose for you. I'm more interested in hearing from those who don't already own a gaming PC.

I want to ask everyone supporting this idea a question. If this is real, and the PS4.5 is a substantial upgrade over the original, what's the point of consoles? Please don't say "you DON'T have to upgrade", because if what the OP is saying is true, then yes, you do. Games will be targeted for the PS4K, and run poorly on the PS4, so it's pretty much an essential upgrade. In that case, why would anyone ever pick a console over a gaming PC? For me, Consoles represent value, as they have a life cycle of 5-10 years, and games are optimized for them for that period of time. If that is no longer the case, I can't think of a single advantage they have over a similarly priced PC.

Console exclusives and ease of use. Just like they've always been.

 

[BoxManLocke]

Is anyone saying "your PS4 will run the game the same way as before" at least reading the OP?
Its clear on the OP that some devs will target the 4K and the OG will suffer "sacrifices".

Yeah, "sacrifices" as in won't look as good as PS4K or run at 30fps vs 60. It's a given, isn't it ?

Doesn't mean the games can't perform decently.

 

[vpance]

Of course the vast majority of games will be scaled.

Does Sony OS have any control over a games res? Like could they render at 50% more pixels then upscale to 4K without a patch from the dev.

 

[SmokedMeat]

no..no i haven't..what is it?

Are you joking? Online auction site?

There's plenty of ways to sell your old hardware, and probably make more, then through a trade in program.

 

[Camp1nCarl]

Are you suggesting that that game would have run great on regular 3ds if the new one didn't exist??? People who want it to run better would buy the better hardware.

Who knows? Maybe the game could have been optimized to run better if the original 3DS was the main platform instead of the N3DS. Your assuming the main targets will be the original PS4 with the PS4K just upgrading off the base game, when the reality will probably be developers focusing on the PS4K and porting over whatever works to the original. Heck, even the OP says a lot of sacrifices will be made on the original PS4 games.

 

[vato_loco]

PSVR hasn't been released yet and they're already talking about "improved" things for it? Get it right the first time, Sony!

Fuck this so hard.

 

[NullPointer]

The ipad1 was released 6 years ago!

Yeah, and I didn't even get six years of use out of it.

A new OS came out, and app-makers stopped supporting the previous one, and iPad 1 owners couldn't upgrade the OS. Other apps updated and then ran like crap afterwards.

So I got maybe four years out of it, if that? That may seem like a nice amount of time in the Apple-verse, but it felt like an unsupported POS to me.

 

[QaaQer]

Going the PC only route. Besides exclusives, which increasingly every console generation has gotten smaller and smaller, what is left as the advantage to be a console only gamer?


ng.

Depends on the person. Average console owner buys between 5-7 games in total, not per year. 1 or 2 games a year to just have a bit of fun playing soccer and shooting some pixels? Consoles make the most sense by far. People who buy 5-7 games per year (or per month, lol) and have a special gaming area? Well, yeah maybe PC is the way to go. Horses for courses.

And despite what the PC GAF sales force keeps repeating, consoles are plug and plug, PCs are not. For people who just want to crash on the couch and turn off the head, consoles are the better choice.

 

[Chezzymann]

Once again it pays to jump into the console game late. If at all. I feel sorry for early adopters.

People like me who got a PS4 this christmas are the ones who are screwed the most. Hopefully the OG PS4 is strongly supported (as in gets nearly all the PS4K games and the mostly run decently) for the next 3 years or so.

 

[MUnited83]

A 970 here in Canada goes for roughly the same price as PS4, and that's just the graphics card. Not to mention that cars is already close to a year and a half old.

If you are upgrading, the graphics card will probably the only thing that you actually need to upgrade. There are people maxing this year's releases with 6 year old hardware (other than the graphics card)
A graphics card the price of a PS4K will last you more than the PS4 did before having the upgrade version, and it will last you more than the remaining life of the 4K. Upgrading your PC is evidently cheaper and more effective.

 

[opticalmace]

Ha, you think that's bad.

Dirt Rally 12 months ago PC 19.99

Dirt Rally today, Xbox one 54.99

WTF

Was that when it was in Early Access? Not really a fair comparison.

 

[David Ricardo]

Now this is new one.


All devs will develop for PSVR and PS4 and PS4K NON-VR games will cut many corners and run 720p at 20hz.

I'm saying quite the opposite. I expect developers to choose 1440p ultra graphics instead of 4k medium, if given the option.

Basically, I don't believe this console is about 4k at all. That's just sugar coating so people can think "well, I don't have a 4k tv, if the PS4k is only for 4k PS4 games it doesn't affect me".

 

[meanspartan]

Am I allowed to feel this is a disrespectful move? Who would expect the best selling console to sort of start getting substituted after 3 years? 'Cause from what I'm reading that's basically what's happening.

That's exactly what I feel. This is arrogant 1st Place Sony right here, making their "triumphant" return.

I hate this move. I'm happy for everyone excited about it, good for you. But for me this really blows. If its confirmed, I'm cancelling my PSVR preorder. There is no way OG Ps4 VR will be supported for long if Ps4.5 is a thing. Or if it is, I will have paid for the "lesser" version. No thanks. Fuck off with this bullshit Sony.