PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

This is a dangerous move and could hamper the momenteum the PS4 has.

Very curious to see what their PR game will be.
 
meanspartan said:
And a lot of people did this past holiday season. How do they feel when they hear about this? It's different when we are at the end of the lifespan and a new console is around the corner. But people bought Ps4s in the last few months reasonably expecting at least 2-3 years more of a current console. And no, getting ports of games that target Ps4.5 is not the same, people didn't buy Ps4 thinking they'd have a gimped experience so soon.

I don't understand why people on here are so quick to be like

"So what!? You'll still get games on Ps4 it doesn't affect it at all!"

As if we didn't only just recently finish off a cross gen era filled to the brim with shit Ps3 and 360 ports of current gen games.

People who bought a Ps4 in the last few months bought into years of Cross-Gen quality and didn't even know it lol.

I hope Sony reconsiders this.
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The pain of being on the lower end of the cross-gen will make you leap. This is what Sony discovered in the last cross-gen cycle. It's not amazing, exclusive games that sold the PS4. It was digital foundry videos of cross-gen games running better on PS4 compared to the PS3.
 
The only thing that annoys me about this news is the fact that old games won't benefit from the new system's power automatically, but need to be patched (and probably won't).
I bought the PS4 a few months after it was released and have nothing against an upgrade. I don't have a 4K TV yet, so I just want them to use the extra power to make things prettier & run smoother on my 1080p screen.
 
meanspartan said:
I don't understand why people on here are so quick to be like

"So what!? You'll still get games on Ps4 it doesn't affect it at all!"
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I don't understand your point of view. Absolutely nothing changes. All the PS4 games you would play if the PS4K didn't exist will still be playable at the exact same quality now that the PS4K likely will exist. All this is is an entitlement attitude that is whining because somebody will get to play a better looking version of some game than you. This argument boils down to "I feel sad because somebody else gets to buy something nicer than what I have."
 
What was the motivations behind this drastic move?

I thought casual gamers didn't much care about proper resolutions, frame-rate and the like?
 
jiggle said:
So gross
Gag



No point getting it ever
There will just be another upgrade in a couple of years
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LOL i'm sorry, but the bolded cracked me up. NEWS FLASH: NEW CONSOLE COMING FEW YEARS FROM NOW, HOLD OFF ON BUYING. I think that headline could be factually run at any given point for any given console in the history of the medium.
 
So any ideas on how this would work on a 1080p tv? Assuming it will still output at 1080, will games natively higher than that be down scaled or would they also scale down possibly gaining a performance boost?
 
meanspartan said:
And a lot of people did this past holiday season. How do they feel when they hear about this? It's different when we are at the end of the lifespan and a new console is around the corner. But people bought Ps4s in the last few months reasonably expecting at least 2-3 years more of a current console. And no, getting ports of games that target Ps4.5 is not the same, people didn't buy Ps4 thinking they'd have a gimped experience so soon.

I don't understand why people on here are so quick to be like

"So what!? You'll still get games on Ps4 it doesn't affect it at all!"

As if we didn't only just recently finish off a cross gen era filled to the brim with shit Ps3 and 360 ports of current gen games.

People who bought a Ps4 in the last few months bought into years of Cross-Gen quality and didn't even know it lol.

I hope Sony reconsiders this.
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The PS4 is only 2x faster than the 360 and PS3? No of course not, which is why this cross-gen argument holds zero merit.

PS4K simply isn't fast enough to cause such a difference.

ArkhamFantasy said:
It runs like garbage on original 3DS.
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Which had nothing to do with the N3DS.

SolarMystic said:
So basically a Ps5...3 years after the Ps4 launched.

Yep, I'm out. Not going to be upgrading two consoles along with my PC. Not worth it.
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A 2x boost is a whole new generation now? Since when?
 
Personally, I will get it. I always thought that console life cycles were too long, and this strategy here fits my personal preference better.

I guess that the release will not change anything or much for the vanilla PS4. PS4K games will probably run on the PS4 just like they would if the PS4K was not a thing. People will still be annoyed because they will now judge their PS4 by a new reference point. Even if the games do not change because of the existence of the PS4K, it is human nature to feel that the value of the PS4 has been reduced.
 
Varna said:
What was the motivations behind this drastic move?

I thought casual gamers didn't much care about proper resolutions, frame-rate and the like?
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If I had to take a guess, I would say interest from the other hardware manufacturers in doing a similar move probably contributed to Sony pursuing this. Sony just found a marketing angle they could get to sell the thing with (targetting the 4K TV market).
 
Damn Imagine what Naughty Dog will do with this kind of power

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onimushroom said:
The only thing that annoys me about this news is the fact that old games won't benefit from the new system's power automatically, but need to be patched (and probably won't).
I bought the PS4 a few months after it was released and have nothing against an upgrade. I don't have a 4K TV yet, so I just want them to use the extra power to make things prettier & run smoother on my 1080p screen.
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Yep, this went from something I need to meh. Unless the PS4s current exclusives at least get a patch then ill pass
 
doofy102 said:
The pain of being on the lower end of a cross-gen will make you leap. This is what Sony discovered in the last cross-gen cycle.
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I'm sure it will make people leap.

It doesn't make it any less a scum move by Sony. They're fucking over people who just bought their console. That's not me, I got mine launch day. But if I bought one this past holiday, I'd be fuming.

It also makes their PSVR push misleading. Plenty of people probably preordered knowing nothing about this but thinking they are buying something that will work with their current Ps4. By the sound of this, I can't imagine devs supporting OG Ps4 on PSVR except for the first wave of games.

And call it Ps4.5 Not Ps4k.

There is no way this thing can do true 4k gaming. 4k is 4x the resolution of 1080p. A GPU twice as powerful as Ps4's is not enough.
 
SneakersSO said:
LOL i'm sorry, but the bolded cracked me up. NEWS FLASH: NEW CONSOLE COMING FEW YEARS FROM NOW, HOLD OFF ON BUYING. I think that headline could be factually run at any given point for any given console in the history of the medium.
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Right now, many people buy consoles on the manufacturers schedule..... Soon many of those people will buy when they are ready to buy.... Not day one.
 
kc44135 said:
I want to ask everyone supporting this idea a question. If this is real, and the PS4.5 is a substantial upgrade over the original, what's the point of consoles? Please don't say "you DON'T have to upgrade", because if what the OP is saying is true, then yes, you do. Games will be targeted for the PS4K, and run poorly on the PS4, so it's pretty much an essential upgrade. In that case, why would anyone ever pick a console over a gaming PC? For me, Consoles represent value, as they have a life cycle of 5-10 years, and games are optimized for them for that period of time. If that is no longer the case, I can't think of a single advantage they have over a similarly priced PC.
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1) Plug & Play: Go to a brick and mortar store, plug in the console to the back of the TV, insert disc, use one control method and your good to go (Play Go feature lets you play while installing in the background).

Not only would this be much more expensive if you tried with any pre built PC it would also be time consuming to learn how to build your own PC and attempt to do so (along with trial and error), while introducing a keyboard and mouse to the living room along with a gamepad.

2) Physical medium: Despite DD being cheaper, outside of Steam your stuck with your DD forever (specifically uplay and origin). You cannot trade, sell or share with your friends. With Steam you can share and return within a specific time frame (and hours spent with a title) but outside of that your stuck with your game for good. New DD games on PC are not that much cheaper than in retail. Also the collection aspect plays a role too.

3) One Ecosystem: Everyone has the same friend list, use the same universal control method, same online service, same library etc. On PC while online game is free it is also fractured. Three different gaming clients (uplay, steam, origin) with different control schemes, different friends lists, etc. If anyone wanted to buy a popular third party PS4 game digitally all they would have to do is pick up the same controller they always use, go to the PSN store, and within a few button clicks, they have it downloading on their hard drive. Try that on PC without juggling multiple gaming clients while going back and forth between multiple control methods (keyboard/mouse + gamepad)

If anything, you can make an argument that this would steer people away from PC gaming. Why would someone take the time to learn how to build their own PC and attempt to do so while spending $400-$500 on a new graphics card every 3 years when they can buy the latest console instead with new specs and have the complete package while easily plugging it in the back of their TV?
 
Gurnlei said:
No way they'll go back on it now. The best we can hope for is a good GameStop promo for $200 credit or so trade in towards a PS4K.
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A $200 credit is still not good enough for me if we are looking at a $499 price tag like the OP stated it could be. I just preordered the PSVR for $499 thinking that was a great deal and extended my ps4's life even more. Now it's like a slap in the face seeing Eve and Gran Turismo Sport listed as being a "significant" upgrade listed in the OP.
 
Camp1nCarl said:
Well, considering the most recent example of this as Hyrule Warriors which left the millions of 3DS owners screwed compared to the incredibly small amount of N3DS owners. Their fears might be warranted...
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How is that screwed when millions of 3DS owners get to play it albeit in bad state? Its either that or the game stays exclusive to New 3DS. Its a no brainer which scenario these millions of 3DS owners will choose.
 
SneakersSO said:
LOL i'm sorry, but the bolded cracked me up. NEWS FLASH: NEW CONSOLE COMING FEW YEARS FROM NOW, HOLD OFF ON BUYING. I think that headline could be factually run at any given point for any given console in the history of the medium.
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What nonbomba consoles in history became obsolete in 3 years?
 
I will happily buy a new system to increase the speed of new graphical development. What a great time to be a consumer!


Some of you are acting like $400 is an investment. It's not a house. It's an entertainment device and the manufacturer doesn't owe you anything....

Buy the product and enjoy it or find a new hobby if their business model hurts your feelings.

The worst case scenario is developers can't keep up with the hardware improvements. Bring on the innovation!
 
III-V said:
OP clearly states several times the game is not rendered at 4K, but is upscaled, which really has very little to do with performance, 4K TV's already do this. It is also unlikely that devs will use the extra juice just to double the framerate.
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I don't think you read the post I was responding to.

Also I never said the games would render at 4K, I just said PS4K.
 
I imagine this will become like PC gaming to an extent, but in a closed ecosystem. What the STEAM boxes were supposed to be. What happens if when they announce this, they drop the PS4 to $200... Still think people will complain? Hell no, they will buy the PS4 in droves. Only those with a need (4K TV's) will probably go for the higher specs - them and early adapters. Then in 3-4 years when the next upgrade comes out, the 4K will be cheap in comparison. This is a move aimed at growing the user base with casuals, as well as keeping the elitist crowd. Also, it gets people interested in 4K movies, TV's, etc...

It is JUST like the mobile market. And it is still easier and probably cheaper than keeping up with PC elitist crowd. I sure don't want to go to W10 and try to keep up with PC gaming.

MS will probably announce something similar, with the added benefit of W10. It will be interesting to watch
 
What's shitty is that this gen has really only just kicked off. 2014 was a wash, nothing but ports and remasters and disappointments (AC Unity, MCC, Destiny, Driveclub). 2015 was good, 2016 looks great, but that's just two years of genuine mileage out of the PS4, and that's ONLY if you bought it at launch.
 
Varna said:
What was the motivations behind this drastic move?

I thought casual gamers didn't much care about proper resolutions, frame-rate and the like?
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I think it is a move by Sony Corporation as a whole. They are pushing hard 4K lately and what is better marketing than making the most popular console in the market 4K compatible? It gives people the necessary incentive to adopt 4K faster. Selling 4K TVs would be THE biggest reason for this move by Sony IMO.
 
I imagine this won't impact current PS4 owners as much as people are thinking. I bet games will just get a boost to performance and some extra visual effects and just look and perform exactly as they would on the PS4 if there wasn't the 4k model.
 
BossDarkseid said:
No. Its not.
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Do you believe these Ps4k games will still widely support the regular Ps4 without MASSIVE downgrades and performance issues? This is essentially a Ps5 (albeit, without the usual leap in tech. A Ps5 in the sense that this stands a good chance of becoming its own platform, leaving original Ps4 owners behind).


I'm trying to understand who this is for. Neogaf is a collection of mostly core gamers and the response has been largely negative. Does Sony expect the casual consumer to jump all over an even more expensive Playstation?
 
David Ricardo said:
I'm saying quite the opposite. I expect developers to choose 1440p ultra graphics instead of 4k medium, if given the option.

Basically, I don't believe this console is about 4k at all. That's just sugar coating so people can think "well, I don't have a 4k tv, if the PS4k is only for 4k PS4 games it doesn't affect me".
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I don't think they are going to get 1440p out of the system given the rumored increase in GPU power putting it around that of a 280x. 1080p is where it is going to be with the ability to upscale to 4K. The difference will be moving from rougly the PC equivalent of low / medium graphics you have today to a PC equivalent of medium / high at 1080p. You need something around a Radeon 390 / 390X, GTX 970 or GTX 980 to get set ultra details at 1440p on PC.
 
Yeah count me out. Not dropping more money for an incremental upgrade when I already have a PS4. Might as well just invest into my PC if this is going to become the norm.
 
ElTorro said:
Personally, I will get it. I always thought that console life cycles were too long, and this strategy here fits my personal preference better.

I guess that the release will not change anything or much for the vanilla PS4. PS4K games will probably run on the PS4 just like they would if the PS4K was not a thing. People will still be annoyed because they will now judge their PS4 by a new reference point. Even if the games do not change because of the existence of the PS4, it is human nature to feel that the value of the PS4 has been reduced.
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That's not true for all cases, if a developer shoots for the PS4K as the target platform, the PS4 version will get a hit because the developer won't be putting enough effort in that version anymore. They will ship a mediocre attempt at the port(a trend we saw last gen with the PS3). Game developers don't have unlimited resources, and they have to pick their main platform.
 
EventHorizon said:
I don't understand your point of view. Absolutely nothing changes. All the PS4 games you would play if the PS4K didn't exist will still be playable at the exact same quality now that the PS4K likely will exist. All this is is an entitlement attitude that is whining because somebody will get to play a better looking version of some game than you. This argument boils down to "I feel sad because somebody else gets to buy something nicer than what I have."
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Bullshit. If devs are targeting the more powerful hardware then porting down to Ps4, it will be comparable to cross-gen.

A Ps3 owner complaining their ported version of games suck in 2015 or 2016 is entitled, as their system is a decade old and new machines are out.

A Ps4 owner, especially somebody who just bought one, is not acting "entitled" for being angry about unknowingly buying into a cross-gen console. Maybe this won't be as bad as Ps3 to Ps4, granted, but I can't imagine it will have no effect.

In a hypothetical world where devs built from the ground up for Ps4 and then ported to Ps4.5, I guess I'd be fine with that. I just think devs will quickly jump to the more powerful machine.
 
Memento said:
I think it is a move by Sony Corporation as a whole. They are pushing hard 4K lately and what is better marketing than making the most popular console in the market 4K compatible? It gives people the necessary incentive to adopt 4K faster. Selling 4K TVs would be THE biggest reason for this move by Sony IMO.
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They can put in a 4k media player/blu ray without messing with the specs.
 
I'm not so sure Sony is ready for this. If incremental consoles are the future I'm putting my faith in MS and their unified W10 platform.
 
  • Buy PS3 for Last Guardian
  • Release date pushed back
  • Mod my PS3 because Last Guardian is probably vaporware
  • New info on game emerges!
  • Buy secondary PS3 (slim) for Last Guardian, just to be safe I can play it
  • Release date pushed back to PS4
  • Buy PS4 for Last Guardian
  • Release date pushed back
  • Release date for PS4K tentatively announced
  • Smash all of my Sony products and hate myself.
 
I cannot believe this is true, but this dude is Bish certified so?........

I mean way to literally destroy all market good will and confidence you earned with the PS4 in one fell sweep. How can anyone at Sony think this is a good idea? Shoe-horning people into dropping 500 more dollars just 3 years after the console release or have to play all the new games on a laggy buggy "old" system? Because you damn well know that is what is going to happen. Just look at Dragon Age on PS3 and other games like it.

This is a HUGE f'ing mistake.
 
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