PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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onimushroom
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While I understand why people who prefer longer console cycles are disappointed, I really don't get the "screw you sony, from now on it's PC for me" mentality. Isn't PC the same as the alleged PS4.5 plan, only more frequently, in perpetuity?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
You would be better off selling it sooner rather than later. The price on the resale market is going to drastically fall once the PS4K hits the shelves.
David Ricardo
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4k games look best on a 4k tv. But if you have a 1080p tv and you run a 4k game downscaled to 1080p you are going to notice a much cleaner image than if the game was running at 1080p natively.
Maintenance
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Yep, I remember some threads and man it was rough.
But if a game takes advantage of the new model and so comes on a UHD, then the current PS4 wouldn't be able to read that would it? Meaning games would come on 2 discs.
I still think this is bullshit lol.
It has a more flexible upgrade system. If you feel have to upgrade either way some will think PC has the better upgrading model
lowhighkang_LHK
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I'd just like to jump in and say while you are right in some ways stop assuming people buy console games at 59.99 MSRP. In fact, with all the deals with Amazon and BestBuy, plus PSN sales I can't remember the last time I paid more than 43 dollars for a new release title.
43 dollars being the cost of getting The Division for PS4 is the most recent example for me personally. The other purchase was Street Fighter V at 39.99 and Salt and Sanctuary for 19.99. Ultimately I think things balance out at the end. The upfront hardware is cheaper on the console space, the fact that you can get a 4K player built in to a 2x more powerful PS4 at potentially 399? Shit, sign me the fuck up. (then again I own two 4K displays so you can see why I'm interested).,
i see, thanks
maybe i can give away my ps4 to my nephew and get this ps4k or something lol
XxRampage07xX
Member
I think so. New assets will be stored in the PS4 game disc and can only be used by PS4K, thus the PS4 game disc now becomes a PS4K game disc too.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Not BC with PS4 games. BC with PS3.Of course a PS4K would play PS4 games. Otherwise what would be the point, if only a handful of exclusive games get made.
An Ultra HD Blu-ray player with a few games?
Dude that's bad planning by you, not Sony's fault.
Besides your PS4 will be just fine for TLG, it's not GOW4, the game doesn't look too demanding and it's releasing before the PS4K, would you really wait the extra months after TLG released to play it on PS4K (with probably not too drastic improvements in this case)?
They're offering $200 right now.
bitbydeath
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Yea but once this becomes real that TIV will drop fast.
timmyp53
Member
Nah, downsampling is the best anti aliasing you can get.
PuppetMaster
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That has been slowly changing this gen with deeply discounted digital sales on console etc.
And for disc based console gamers there are always trade ins.
So I think the SW price advantage for PC is disappearing. Also Microsoft wanting to sell both the console ver and PC as the same unit just adds inertia to this.
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Deleted member 752119
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So you're going to take it and not have a ps4 until q1 2017?
Or wait until after the holidays so you can enjoy this year's games and then sell it when they're paying peanuts as everyone wants the new model?
Admiral Woofington
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deeply discounted digital sales on release date? You might get lucky with a few bucks off but on PC you have like GMG where you could get a new PC game for like 20% off easily.
onimushroom
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I have been upgrading my PC for the last 10-15 years and I feel like I'm always behind in some areas, be it the processor or video card. The 970 set me back 300-400 dollars and it's great, but now my processor is old etc... And it's way too expensive to upgrade everything all at once.
Beerman462
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Ha! I say Ha! I Bought DS2 on PS3, a month later on PC. I bought all three DLCs separately and then upgraded to SOTFS. Get on my level....
FF Seraphim
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Wait... How big of a download file would a 4K game be? I am mostly digital so that is somewhat important
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Actually the champ in that department is Atari.Sega from the 90s would like to have a word with you
Anyhow, my thoughts on this.....well, I was planning on getting a PS4 this year anyway, particularly for PSVR and particularly for Dreams, so for a person like myself the announcement of a PS4K isn't bad at all. But it does make me wonder if they could have done this in a different way. Certain PC motherboards are future-proof w/ other types of CPU processors. Since this PS4K seems to mainly be upgrading the GPU and CPU, why couldn't the PS4 had been designed w/ a similar setup?
Make it easy to access the innards (take a page from Lenovo on that front; accessing the innards of a Thinkcentre desktop is piss-easy), have some respect that your average owner is smart enough to NOT have the power on when they do so (or have it plugged in for that matter), and make the CPU/GPU replaceable. Hell, the hard drives already are, plus this saves owners of the older model money if they feel the need to upgrade. And since it would just be the CPU and GPU, it could probably be made available as replacements in a package for no more or even less than $100. I honestly don't think any early adopters would take issue w/ that.
Consoles are already highly PC-like and eventually the future these platforms are going to be defined more by their OS and marketplace than the hardware they run on. What I'm suggesting here is just an extra step in that inevitable direction that already has tangible, documented proof of concept in actual consumer electronics.
SmokedMeat
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Yup. I ditched my Xbox One when they were giving $200 cash, the same day the system dropped to $299. Anecdotal, but people were trading them in like crazy. The tiv will no doubt plummet.
timmyp53
Member
Don't you mean patches?
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shadowsdarknes
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I suspect it's mostly empty talk. This board makes for some fun drama.
PS4.5 will use the same disks as PS4.0. If they want to, they can patch in an upgrade. They might still sell "PS4.5" versions, though, because I don't imagine devs doing these upgrades for free.
Wouldn't be much of a difference if any. PC already has 4k games, and those are usually the same size if not smaller.
SneakyStephan
Banned
OP says the chip is smaller than ps4's
That means it uses polaris for sure, which is a 14nm new gen gpu (instead of ps4's gpu on 28nm)
A smaller chip means a lower cost, which means it'll be cheaper to make than the ps4
The cpu is unknown so there's no conclusions to be drawn for it
joecanada
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Actually now it's if trump is elected. But we building a wall first so too bad. They will move through the stages of grief soon don't worry
Admiral Woofington
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it'll depend for me. Now that I've calmed down with the news I'm willing to give it a chance IF I can get the new console through an upgrade system and maybe 200 out of pocket.
If I have to spend more I'll just build the PC I've been wanting to build.
Mr. Giggles
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We'll see.
KratosEnergyDrink
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The second statement you mentioned is simply dumb. The first statement makes sense. If upgrades get common for consoles some gamers will probably went (back) to the PC, would be cheaper in the long run and graphics are better on PC anyway.
By the way: Mixing politics with gaming is never a good idea.
EventHorizon
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Unlike the Wii U, the PS4 isn't going away and will still sell extremely well. The PS4 is simply going to be the sub $300 entry level console and its sales will spike every time its price crosses an even lower threshold. I wouldn't be surprised at all, and in fact would expect, that the PS4 gets an internal redesign lowering its price below $249. On top of that I can see special $199 deals being made for things like Black Friday. That's going to be huge and will open up the console to a whole new market.
This hysteria is baseless. The standard PS4 is going to be THE lead platform for quite some time. It'll take like 3 years or more for the PS4K to overtake it, and that would be the natural end of the generation anyway.
I have absolutely no problems with the PS4K and generally I am a tech geek, but after the technolust for the specs of the PS4K died down I am not even sure that it is an automatic buy for me. If it turns out that the PS4K gets about as much improvement in graphics quality that the PS4 gets over the XB1, then it really isn't worth an entirely new console to me. PSVR could change my mind because graphical differences should be more apparent there.
The point I'm trying to make is that the PS4K isn't going to be like a new console generation that obsoletes the one before it. After an initial spike it's going to be a slow sell that will gradually ramp up.
bitbydeath
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Well, it's kind of understandable.
If the main reason holding those people back from gaming on PC was the upgrade cycles, it would stand to reason that those people would abandon a console if it adopted that same cycle with hardly any of the benefits that PC gaming sees.
Not to say the only benefit of console over PCs is the lack of upgrade cycle, but it's not unreasonable for it to be the only reason holding someone back.
DragonOfWisdom
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It just sounds like they're just trying to extend the generation to match last gen. It's kind of disappointing that the upgrade is seemingly substantial because this could lead to poorly optimized games on the current model.