PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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The gen has just really started, with cross gen titles essentially all dying, and there's going to be a newer console next year from Sony? I still find it hard to believe.
Has OP been checked out?
That bish check could be for anything else.
Has anyone tried contacting Sony reps, shu etc..?
Any response from Sony AT all?
I would think this type of news would impact sales somewhat so I would imagine Sony would try and fix any damage made.
Has OP been checked out?
That bish check could be for anything else.
Has anyone tried contacting Sony reps, shu etc..?
Any response from Sony AT all?
I would think this type of news would impact sales somewhat so I would imagine Sony would try and fix any damage made.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I played primarily on PC for a few years recently but I'm over it again already.
katsubento
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I'll believe it when they announce it officially.
wonderful103
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Games as a service. Platform as a service. There are slides that Nintendo has shared showing that's what nx is - a new platform modelled after iOS/android. Microsoft has gone on record saying that's the plan. And Sony is the leakiest ship of them all, especially its western ring by the look of it. Everyone's moving in that direction, so if you're going to pull the plug you'd better start sooner than later
cheezcake
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An effective base spec of a 970 would be awesome, hopefully we can accelerate the adoption of GI solutions with that. I'll probably sell my PS4 if this is the case though, I only got it for exclusives and my PC would still be more powerful. Can't justify another $400-500 just for exclusives, especially as I've only enjoyed one exclusive so far, and I got no interest in keeping it around to play technically gimped games.
matrix-cat
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All too predictable. There's no good news here for anyone who isn't willing to buy a full new console every three years. You used to be able to expect a whole generation's worth of games developed for your console, now you get a few years before the devs move onto new hardware and you get whatever compromised down-port they offer you.
From what I've heard, PC gaming is easier to get into than ever, and I'm willing to learn. On PC, I'd have options and more control over my experience, plus mods, access to older games and so on. I've given up these things and dealt with consoles and their weaknesses because of the value they provide. I don't care about Sony or their games, and I suspect many console owners feel the same. The reason I've remained a console gamer is because of the value that consoles provide. If they no longer provide the value I expect, I see no reason to stick with them at all.
That's just a trade in.
Art Vandilay
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You're correct if you want to trade it in today. Between the announcement and release, the retail price of the OG PS4 will decrease. Retail price decrease = trade credit decrease. You could get more selling it yourself, but demand will be decreased since the market will likely be saturated as we near release. Also, everyone will know something newer and better is on the horizon.
qa_engineer
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if you're talking about theoretical computational power then we're looking at 3.64 teraflops, assuming it is 2x more powerful or slightly > 2x than the PS4. We're approaching 380x or 970 GTX level teraflops which is right around 3.8-4 teraflops.
390 is a 5 teraflop GPU, 390X is a 6 teraflop GPU
Games as a service. Platform as a service. There are slides that Nintendo has shared showing that's what nx is - a new platform modelled after iOS/android. Microsoft has gone on record saying that's the plan. And Sony is the leakiest ship of them all, especially its western ring by the look of it. Everyone's moving in that direction, so if you're going to pull the plug you'd better start sooner than later
I don't see how any of that correlates to consoles getting replaced every two years.
Yea didn't realize PS4 will get downgraded PS4K games, that's horrible! I thought the idea is to play PS4 games at higher settings for anyone interested, not developing games that will target the PS4K specifically and than throw a gimp PS4 port.
It's a dirty tactic, trying to force people to move to PS4K or else you'll play almost cross gen games quality compared to the PS4K, fuck that.
Beerman462
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Unless it is more than 2x a PS4 it won't be 970 levels. Remember AMD and Nvidia TFlops aren't comparable. 2x PS4 is closer to a 7970 non GHz/380 which falls well below a 970.
Admiral Woofington
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but we haven't had a trade in announcement yet.
And with Gamestop I gotta buy a hard drive and give one of my controllers, not sure what Sony might offer.
Exactly, and it's not something I will put up with. I expect the majority of Console owners will feel the same.
SneakyStephan
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Nah 2x hd7850 performance is not gtx 970/r9 290 performance
a gtx 970 is about 2.5x the performance of a hd7850 depending on the game or benchmark.
comparison
Hale-XF11
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More like PS4KVR, assuming the PSVR break out box is built into it.
addyb
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I dont even have a 4k tv so this is of no interest to me right now. I only play a handful of games each year on each console anyway so I'm more than happy to keep the ps4 for the forseeable future. If I want top notch gaming I'll just go back to pc gaming. Sony don't have that many exclusives I'd miss anymore.
Where do you get two years from?
OS4 is 3 years old in November, and no-one has even mentioned 2 year iterations,
But then you can wait another two years for the even more powerful version.
So as a developer what do you do?
Design for the lower spec console (and basically not take full advantage of squeezing every ounce out of the best console) then just add a few bells/whistles to make a higher spec build?
Or do you target the highest console spec, then downport with some framerate issues and other problems?
If feels like we are perpetually in cross gen territory now.
Design for the lower spec console (and basically not take full advantage of squeezing every ounce out of the best console) then just add a few bells/whistles to make a higher spec build?
Or do you target the highest console spec, then downport with some framerate issues and other problems?
If feels like we are perpetually in cross gen territory now.
ALLseeingEYE
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This is what I think people don't get. If this rumor is true, this could be the end of traditional 'console generations'. Taking a stance like this won't matter since a new system could potentially release every year or two ad nauseum. At least as far as Phil Spencer seems concerned, the idea was to make iterative consoles that are forwards and backwards compatible, so you never lose your game library.
Therefore, a PS5 probably won't be the herald of a new generation per-se. It will just be the next hardware revision. At some point, if you want to play PS games, you will have to make a choice on the right time to buy in, fully knowing a more powerful one is around the corner.
Probably both, depending on the developer and game.
You didn't do anything per se, other than being fake.
Yeah, I'm done with Sony if any of this is true. When you buy a console, there's an expectation that you'll get at least 5 or 6 years out of it. As far as I'm concerned, this is an outright betrayal of the 40+ million people that have already bought a PS4. It goes against the very idea of a console and the value it's supposed to provide. It's despicable.
chromatic9
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Got any evidence to back any of this up?
Does the current PS4 operate at a higher level than the 1.8TF would indicate? No.
Why does the 750Ti at 1.3TF match the PS4 in most games?
Why does one of the newest games we can compare(The Division) show like for like GPUs matching the PS4?
The R7 370 a 1.9 TF GPU gets an average of 36 and a minimum of 29 in The Division.
This is from Techspots 1080p High Benchmark
This does not support your theory that the PS4 or PS4K will out perform equivalent PC hardware.
You've completely missed what I was posting. Which has lead to this stupid reply below.
My post has 100% completely nothing to do with coding to the metal etc. I'm one of the few people who actually try to debunk this myth on this forum. You couldn't be more wrong.
Please both of you please read my post again. I mention nothing of magic console crap. I mention nothing of console hardware out performing PC hardware.
My post relates to getting GTX 970/290 performance down to around a 100W. NVidia already have a GPU in 2014 doing what I posted at 150W on old 28nm. NVidia have the perf per watt. The next cards from NVidia should have 970 perf down to 100W. 970 is only mid range as it.
If AMD have caught up then 4k around 30fps is technically feasible or at least 2880x1620 or 3200. Again please read my post properly.
My post is how on paper you can achieve 4k 30fps on something like a 290/970 in modern games, at console settings even using better than console settings and close to 4k form a GPU from 2014 on old 28nm and certainly existing console settings and the corners they cut.
BoxManLocke
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Jesus, the hyperbole.
I mean I understand where the worries come from, but this thread is just too much.
ItWillGetBetter
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DAY 1!
AndrewDean84xX
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I've got 9 months to save up for a top of the line PC. Fuck updating consoles. If I want the most out of gaming, PC gaming will cost less in the long run. MS is at least releasing their games on Windows 10. Not gonna miss the few PS exclusives.
Wishmaster92
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So in essence the ps4k:
- can run star wars 1313 level of visuals easily
- can run the teaser version of deep down easily
- can run watch_dogs 2012 pre-downgrade
They all ran on a gtx 680
Basically the few games in 2012-2013 that looked truly next-gen and a cut above everything else at the time. Amazing
Who says the PS4K doesn't come out before November? PS VR is September or October, isn't it? I'm thinking they'll launch it with that. Really though, 3 year iterations of hardware are just as bad, I think. Not much of a difference there, and it still falls far short of a standard consoles generation's length.
shadowsdarknes
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For sure. But if PS4 games were not performing to your standards, then you may have already been planning to purchase a gaming PC. At the end of the day, the launch PS4 model will likely still get 5 useful years of life.
scoobs
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helpful.
AndrewDean84xX
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I'm with ya. The entry price is the only downside.
roadrunn3r
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390 and 970 are similar and both quite above 2x PS4 level of performance so no. Why do people keep comparing Nvidia Tflops with AMD ones?
Shin Johnpv
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If this is true Sony can fuck right off. The PS4 isn't even 3 years old yet. Fuck this shit.
30yearsofhurt
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If Gran Turismo is in, I'm in.
Maybe man, maybe. I really don't like where consoles are going right now at all.
Omnii-chan
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We are three years in by the time PSVR comes out. That's half way through the cycle I'd assume.
Compare it to PS3's life cycle. At 4 years in we got motion controls to extend the life.
It's quite similar, only we are getting a year cut and VR and an upgraded console instead. In fact... it's way way better. We are getting better stuff earlier.
I really don't see the issue, I highly doubt Sony is going to cut 40 million current users.
It's probably an upgrade for the enthusiasts who want top of the line.
Wishmaster92
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Well does it (give or take) at least match a Gtx 680?
Took the words right out of my mouth.
DigitalScrap
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Yeah, they REALLY are just locked spec PCs at this point, especially with the move to x86 arch.
This new PS4K will be more powerful than the PS4, but will once again be behind PC power wise when it comes out.
I'll end up with one, but this new model it seems everyone (Sony, MS and probably Nintendo) is adopting will push me back into PC gaming (currently, the only gaming PC I have is a base Alpha with upgraded RAM). This is going to push me to build an up to date PC and ONLY use consoles for exclusives.
roadrunn3r
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Poor wording yes but we are talking about performance here and 2 x PS4 is not a 970.
Even better, should be around 380/380X.