Splash Wave
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You could totally be right about this, in which case that'd suck. I just want games to run more smoothly!
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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You could totally be right about this, in which case that'd suck. I just want games to run more smoothly!
I feel so conflicted right now. As it stands the reg ps4 is half a grand. This upgrade is likely to be more.
We need trade in values for this thing and best believe EB Games is gonna milk the trade-in promos hard.
CrispyBoar
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LOL. If you honestly believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
chromatic9
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Kazunori Yamauchi was probably like, what the hell is this CPU. Try again.
Wishmaster92
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So true
rokkerkory
Member
So PS5.5?
The way I see this, the 4.5 guarantees you get the best out of the 4, even faster.
No way that SCE will just push away almost 40 millions of its install base for their new PS4! Sure the transition will be easier as devs and console makers get closer to the next gen of "platforms", but the publishers/indies will fully take advantage of the install base current numbers (PS4+XB1) to maximize its profitability on a longer term... or until the systems are maxed out to the brim. We are not witnessing a transition of something on the level of PS3 to PS4 (2013). We are going from PS4/XB1 to PS4K/XB1.5. SCE/MS will not ditch out their current fan/user base for the sake of devs asking for more power.
wonderful103
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No. 14nm wafers are still more expensive than the more mature and available process of 28nm
Yeah, this really doesn't sit well with me. Really hoping this doesn't become a trend.
bitbydeath
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PSNever.
Most devs don't care about that.
Graphics and features everytime.
SanguineShark
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Its not like buying a gaming PC is so difficult. Pretty easy and worthwhile investment.
Upscaling... OMG so next gen!1!!11 /s
Lion Heart
Banned
LOL! Love you.
CrispyBoar
Banned
I'm saying: Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, & 3rd party publishers aren't going to lower the prices just because physical media "may be gone." They're going to want to make as much money off of people as possible. PC gaming can get away with lower prices of digital games because it's an open platform with many stores & because that no one truly owns the platform. With consoles, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer.
If anything, physical media provides competition on consoles. Why do you think 3rd party publishers want that out of the way? For complete control.
Yup. I doubt 60 fps will ever become standard.
Abstrusity
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Having two machines with the same game will incentivize developers to make them work well on the worse one. Just like PCs, guys! This won't hold back anything at all!
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Hari Seldon
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Honestly with this new cycle I could see myself simply alternating between Sony and MS every 3 years, thereby never missing an exclusive.
Wait a minute, didn't notice it before, according to the OP some games will target the PS4K and than will get downported to PS4? that's horrible and unfair toward early buyers and consumers in general, I thought all games will target PS4 till the PS5 and they will only get higher settings on PS4K.
OP implies some bad cross gen titles (toward the weaker hardware) like SOM, Forza and other late cross gen games that targeted the higher end hardware and got downported with mediocre to horrible results.
OP implies some bad cross gen titles (toward the weaker hardware) like SOM, Forza and other late cross gen games that targeted the higher end hardware and got downported with mediocre to horrible results.
ShadowkillXNA
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Nope. A Sony exec talked about the possibility of an upgraded ps4 last fall. There was a link to it in one of the previous ps4k threads.
CyberPunked
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I wouldn't worry, there won't be 4k content other than movies anyway.
I fear this may be true. I will likely cancel my PSVR preorder and wait things out now.
It isn't empty talk in my case. If any of this is true, consoles as we know them are dead, and I want no place in a faux-PC market. I'll just buy into the real thing. I mean, why not? Consoles won't have much value anymore.
qa_engineer
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HA. This is too funny. Probably the last time we'll see Etta in this thread.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
PC, here I come.
Not empty bluster. If this sort of thing is what consoles are about now, I'm out.
Not empty bluster. If this sort of thing is what consoles are about now, I'm out.
Yes, this is why the PS4K is terrible, and if real, quite possibly the worst thing to ever happen to the console market. If Xbox follows suit, it could even be the end of the console market, I think.
What's your point exactly?
Xbox One needs the upgrade, the PS4 does not. Have you seen Uncharted 4?
A+ for effort, though. What did I do to you to instigate such dedication?
Consoles won't be far removed from PC's anymore, if any of this turns out to be true.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I would have been on board day one, but no improvements to performance in existing games?! Downgrading PS4 games instead of improving them on the new hardware?! Fuck this. Fuck PS4. Fuck Sony. Fuck everything.
SneakyStephan
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But as die size increases cost goes up more than linearly.
die size cost scales twice :
much more dies out of a wafer if they're smaller
much better yields as you have to toss or bin less dies (nr of faults per wafer stays the same, you have to toss or bin a much smaller percentage of dies)
This is how you justify paying silly prices like 700 euros for a 500mm^2 gpu , but it goes both ways.
Also you always hear that mature process line to justify high costs for gpus on new node shrinks, but then when prices don't actually drop when the new node matures *crickets*
Fresh 28nm 294mm^2 gtx 670: 300 dollar launch price
mature 28nm 294mm^2 gtx 970: 329 dollar launch price
not impressed by the mature process node argument anymore
wonderful103
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Nintendo spoke about this device platform model first, then Sony, then Microsoft. Yes consoles are evolving. No there will not be traditional generations any longer. The 8th one (wii u, ps4, xb1) is technically the last
If you want that, you should be in the PC gaming market, where you control your own upgrades and general destiny
Beerman462
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Got any evidence to back any of this up?
Does the current PS4 operate at a higher level than the 1.8TF would indicate? No.
Why does the 750Ti at 1.3TF match the PS4 in most games?
Why does one of the newest games we can compare(The Division) show like for like GPUs matching the PS4?
The R7 370 a 1.9 TF GPU gets an average of 36 and a minimum of 29 in The Division.
This is from Techspots 1080p High Benchmark
This does not support your theory that the PS4 or PS4K will out perform equivalent PC hardware.
SolarMystic
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The panic is probably due to the fact current games can barely run on current hardware as it is. I could see this going a couple ways. On the one hand, the Ps4k takes off and alienates everybody who bought a regular Ps4, or it becomes somewhat of a pointless upgrade and hardly any developers take real advantage of it.
Nobody can know for sure at this point, as this is a new move in the console space. I would say it is more worrisome than hopeful with the current information though. Will have to wait and see.
Same. Eventually, the PS4 would get replaced by a PS5 and be rendered obsolete after 5-10 years. But outright replacing the PS4 after only 3 years, and screwing over 40+ PS4 owners with horrible versions of games built for the "PS4K". That's awful. Absolutely unbelievable, honestly.
4K is just the resolution the game is rendered at. Makes no difference on the file size, although I have no idea if there will be extra assets for 4K enabled games.
You can go load up Half Life on a PC and kick it up for 4K resolution if you want is all I'm saying.
wonderful103
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Got any evidence to back any of this up?
Does the current PS4 operate at a higher level than the 1.8TF would indicate? No.
Why does the 750Ti at 1.3TF match the PS4 in most games?
Why does one of the newest games we can compare(The Division) show like for like GPUs matching the PS4?
The R7 370 a 1.9 TF GPU gets an average of 36 and a minimum of 29 in The Division.
This is from Techspots 1080p High Benchmark
This does not support your theory that the PS4 or PS4K will out perform equivalent PC hardware.
Unfortunately people are still under the false belief that consoles have magic hardware with strange metal inside that's made of unicorn testicles and carmack's misunderstood pixie dust.
Guardian Monkey
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Because that is what they trade in for now?
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chromatic9
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So many posts of this nature.
Not directly to you but if you say Sony has switched to some upgrade cycle, wouldn't you or others be better staying on Playstation? Some have said "I'm a loyal PS gamer but I'm jumping to PC", If you're a console gamer or someone who like the Sony games or just the console ease of use, why would you swap that for a PC upgrade cycle? You'd be better under Sony's wing still, at least in general to most of these type of comments.
Also I doubt this will be every 2-3 years. They got caught short on old 28nm. Sony has VR as well. MS can't be doing 720p and 900p in 2017 beyond. They will take advantage of a new GPU and much improved CPU this time but that might not be worth it next time like Phil says.
Prototype Viktor
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This gen doesn't start til 8K happens
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I very much doubt that. My PC builds have always lasted longer than 3 years. I'm willing to drop the quality of effects to get a better frame rate, and I can tinker with the game to make it work. Plus all of the games I already own and will continue to own can all be "upgraded" automatically.
On PC, I decide when it's time to upgrade, I decide what performance will be like. I simply don't trust Sony for this particular kind of task.
Wishmaster92
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So what pc gpu does x2 ps4 compares to????? There's a lot of back and forth.....
When did either Sony or Nintendo say anything about upgraded consoles? When did any of the "big three" say this console generation would be cut short, or would be the "last"!? If you're referring to the NX, that's an entirely new console, and we don't know when it's coming out, or what it even is.
Posted dozens of pages back, but there were a number of us thinking that PS4 games after PS4K would essentially be what they are right now while PS4K would be closer to how they would look/run on PC.
Is that really such a bad thing? Multiplats on PS4 and Xbox One are already sacrificing performance to run properly compared to their PC versions. This would just be an opportunity for those interested to run games closer to what we see on solid gaming rigs. That line about how software would still run on original PS4s but with considerable sacrifices is essentially what's already going on with consoles and PC.
Is that really such a bad thing? Multiplats on PS4 and Xbox One are already sacrificing performance to run properly compared to their PC versions. This would just be an opportunity for those interested to run games closer to what we see on solid gaming rigs. That line about how software would still run on original PS4s but with considerable sacrifices is essentially what's already going on with consoles and PC.
Guardian Monkey
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r290 or 970 roughly.. comparing to 8750 benchmarks that you find on toms hardware this is about where it falls.