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[shadowsdarknes]

It isn't empty talk in my case. If any of this is true, consoles as we know them are dead, and I want no place in a faux-PC market. I'll just buy into the real thing. I mean, why not? Consoles won't have much value anymore.

If this PS4K were to release in 2017, that'd be 4 useful years on the market. And at worst, the PS4 would still get major support (with an emphasis that the games work as expected) for another year.
That's 5 useful years. That's a relatively normal console generation.

Building a nice PC is always a nice alternative to consoles. I just don't see why this would be the deal breaker. If you got 200 bucks for your PS4 and put it towards a PS4k, that 200 dollars you spent isn't all that major of an expense for what you might get. Just my thoughts.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Anyone able to fill me in on why we should trust this rumor? I haven't seen anything and im like 5 pages in.

It's mod approved, so at the very least sources checked and it's not a guy just making a thread because why not.

 

[Beerman462]

You've completely missed what I was posting. Which has lead to this stupid reply below.



My post has 100% completely nothing to do with coding to the metal etc. I'm one of the few people who actually try to debunk this myth on this forum. You couldn't be more wrong.

Please both of you please read my post again. I mention nothing of magic console crap. I mention nothing of console hardware out performing PC hardware.

My post relates to getting GTX 970/290 performance down to around a 100W. NVidia already have a GPU in 2014 doing what I posted at 150W on old 28nm. NVidia have the perf per watt. The next cards from NVidia should have 970 perf down to 100W. 970 is only mid range as it.

If AMD have caught up then 4k around 30fps is technically feasible or at least 2880x1620 or 3200. Again please read my post properly.

My post is how on paper you can achieve 4k 30fps on something like a 290/970 in modern games, at console settings even using better than console settings and close to 4k form a GPU from 2014 on old 28nm and certainly existing console settings and the corners they cut.

Well you said

Twice the spec means around 280X

Twice the performance of the PS4 GPU means more like a Radeon 290/390 or GTX 970

What do you mean by this then?

 

[SneakyStephan]

My post relates to getting GTX 970/290 performance down to around a 100W. NVidia already have a GPU in 2014 doing what I posted at 150W on old 28nm. NVidia have the perf per watt. The next cards from NVidia should have 970 perf down to 100W. 970 is only mid range as it.

If AMD have caught up then 4k is technically feasible or at least 2880x1620 or 3200. Again please read my post properly.

My post is how on paper you can achieve 4k on something like a 290/970 in modern games, even using better than console settings and close to 4k form a GPU from 2014 on old 28nm and certainly exiting console settings and the corners they cut.

I have a gtx 970 and it's definitely not suited for 4k ( even at 30 fps) in all current games.

In a majority it's fine if you settle for 30 fps and turning a few things down, in some you can even comfortably do 60 fps at 4k, but most of the ubisoft stuff or witcher 3 etc is a no go unless you put settings way way down (like below ps4 settings, do you see a developer put the settings below those of the 1080p ps4 version to get to 4K?)

OP's rumor doesn't put it at gtx 970 performance either (would need to be a 2.5x bump for that not 2x

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Oficially glad I was holding off on a PS4 till Persona 5. I'll get this more powerful one instead.

 

[bitbydeath]

Anyone able to fill me in on why we should trust this rumor? I haven't seen anything and im like 5 pages in.

If you look under his/her name you will see they are bish checked.

Meaning Bishop has confirmed he works somewhere in the gaming industry.

 

[BRocknRolla]

Anyone able to fill me in on why we should trust this rumor? I haven't seen anything and im like 5 pages in.

Look at his/her tag. Whoever he/she is, they've been vetted by the mods.

 

[Gurish]

390 and 970 are similar and both quite above 2x PS4 level of performance so no. Why do people keep comparing Nvidia Tflops with AMD ones?

It's still a closed console environment.

Besides exclusive games that will target the hardware specifically will look better than any PC game, PC games are still "XB1" games running at higher settings, some PS4K games according to the OP will target the PS4K as the main hardware, something that didn't happen on PC with AAA gaming since Crysis, so it's pretty obvious nothing will touch those exclusives's visuals.

 

[etta]

You didn't do anything per se, other than being fake.

Well then you did a poor job explaining how in your attempt to take a stab, and in fact you didn't even think it thoroughly.
Sony doing it on top of Microsoft doing it is what changes everything. When only Microsoft was doing it, my issue regarding how developers would make games wouldn't exist since the PlayStation would still follow a traditional generation. Devs would then use the PS console as a baseline and port to whatever XBO refresh existed at the time. That's why I wasn't worried about this back then.
A little shortsighted there in your attack, soldier.

 

[hlhbk]

Unless there is a super cheap (like $100) price with a trade in of a current PS4 Sony can fuck off.

 

[sun-drop]

yeh ..no.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

Can $1,500 get me a PC that's Rift/Vive ready and game at 4K for years? Only need the PC.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Anyone able to fill me in on why we should trust this rumor? I haven't seen anything and im like 5 pages in.

OP is verified through the mods. It's also a more detailed account of what we've been hearing through Kotaku, eurogamer, Wallstreet Journal, etc.

Netflix was also dropping hints awhile ago for a 4k capable console upgrade.

 

[TK-421]

Which leak is bigger.. this one, or the Xbone ones back in 2014? https://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=760013

 

[kabel]

390 and 970 are similar and both quite above 2x PS4 level of performance so no. Why do people keep comparing Nvidia Tflops with AMD ones?

Nvidia Tflops and AMD Tflops? wtf?

The 390 renders the same FPS while needing more Tflops is only because of the DX11 overhead.

Look at DX12 benchmarks!
PS4 devs also have a Low Level API on the PS4 -> GNM
So I could see a PS4K performing on a 390/970 level.

 

[Andodalf]

Oficially glad I was holding off on a PS4 till Persona 5. I'll get this more powerful one instead.

Same here! although I doubt Persona will use the ps4k abilities.

 

[Peltz]

helpful.

Spoiler

sorry

The OP just sounds very realistic and detailed. This one doesn't sound fake.

I can usually spot a fake leaks a mile away. This one, however, just makes sense, for better or worse. He's also been verified.

 

[AmyS]

So in essence the ps4k:

- can run star wars 1313 level of visuals easily
- can run the teaser version of deep down easily
- can run watch_dogs 2012 pre-downgrade

They all ran on a gtx 680

Basically the few games in 2012-2013 that looked truly next-gen and a cut above everything else at the time. Amazing

Yeah, and don't forget Samaritan Demo, and 2012 UE4 Elemental Demo w/ SVOGI (global illumination). The PS4 version of Elemental Demo was significantly downgraded, no GI, fewer things breaking / particles, etc..

 

[Gurish]

Which leak is bigger.. this one, or the Xbone ones back in 2014? https://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=760013

By leak you are talking about the OP or the whole story that started with Kotaku's reveal? if all story than this, definitely more dramatic, if just the OP than not, he added some technical details on a well established rumor (which is a fact by now) so it's not bigger than revealing a line up of games.

 

[CrispyBoar]

From what I've heard, PC gaming is easier to get into than ever, and I'm willing to learn. On PC, I'd have options and more control over my experience, plus mods, access to older games and so on. I've given up these things and dealt with consoles and their weaknesses because of the value they provide. I don't care about Sony or their games, and I suspect many console owners feel the same. The reason I've remained a console gamer is because of the value that consoles provide. If they no longer provide the value I expect, I see no reason to stick with them at all.

I'll have to agree. I've been with consoles since the NES back when I was a small kid in the mid 80's, & now I'll have to say that the PS4 might be my last home gaming console if this is how things are going to go.

I'm even thinking about hopping onto PC gaming afterwards. The only future consoles that I'll be getting are Nintendo's, just because I have always been a big fan of their games.

Edit: Hooray, I'm a member now!

 

[Beerman462]

Unless there is a super cheap (like $100) price with a trade in of a current PS4 Sony can fuck off.

This is the most entitled post I have seen. Game Stop offers $200 credit or $160 cash right now. That is the maximum you will get outside of personal sales or trade in specials.

 

[pupcoffee]

E3 is going to be so cynical. Read Dead 2 will get announced. It will look beautiful. People will ask, "How will it look on the PS4.0?"

 

[Xiaoki]

If this is true Sony can fuck right off. The PS4 isn't even 3 years old yet. Fuck this shit.

Before PS4K

"Stupid weak ass consoles and their garbage netbook CPUs, can this gen be over yet?"

After PS4K

"Sony can fuck right off"

I hope Sony didn't make the mistake of reading message boards and take them seriously.

 

[timmyp53]

Well does it (give or take) at least match a Gtx 680?

Original PS4 has similar performance capabilites of an 7870 from what I've seen. So thats a low estimate. Stock 970. But it'll have lost its performance boost due to losing high optimization and not being 1 sku ps4 anymore. So basically underclocked 970.

 

[Protann]

Real question to current PS4 owners: would you guys have not bought your console if you knew about the PS4K when you bought it?

 

[pupcoffee]

Real question to current PS4 owners: would you guys have not bought your console if you knew about the PS4K when you bought it?

I wouldn't buy both, that's for sure.

I'd probably wait for the PS4.5, and then wait for the PS5.5

 

[Matt]

There isn't going to be any sort of official Sony trade in program.

 

[qa_engineer]

390 and 970 are similar and both quite above 2x PS4 level of performance so no. Why do people keep comparing Nvidia Tflops with AMD ones?

Because a teraflop is a teraflop. Why do people keep thinking there are variants of a teraflop? Also if you read my post I also mentioned the scenario where ps4k is > 2x the PS4 (highly unlikely)

 

[Beerman462]

Original PS4 has similar performance capabilites of an 7870 from what I've seen. So thats a low estimate. Stock 970. But it'll have lost its performance boost due to losing high optimization and not being 1 sku ps4 anymore. So basically underclocked 970.

No it doesn't

Because a teraflop is a teraflop. Why do people keep thinking there are variants of a teraflop? Also if you read my post I also mentioned the scenario where ps4k is > 2x the PS4.

Except it's not. The 970 is listed as 3.5Gflops and the 390 is listed at 5.1Gflops, yet they perform similarly in games.

 

[anothertech]

This was unavoidable when they realized the requirements for cyberpunk 2077 and Detroit AI.

Needless to say the difinitive versions of games will need this kind of horse power.

That said, ps5 will be around when hbm2 quantum systems become available, so will be a different kind of beast altogether.

Kinda excited for this tbh. More power while still compatible with my entire library. That will be nice,

 

[Peltz]

Before PS4K

"Stupid weak ass consoles and their garbage netbook CPUs, can this gen be over yet?"

After PS4K

"Sony can fuck right off"

I hope Sony didn't make the mistake of reading message boards and take them seriously.

I think they are absolutely preparing their reveal in response to feedback from this thread.

 

[Gurish]

Real question to current PS4 owners: would you guys have not bought your console if you knew about the PS4K when you bought it?

No way I could wait 3 years for PS4K.

If I was a recent buyer than I'd feel disappointed, luckily I bought mine around launch.

 

[timmyp53]

No it doesn't

Visual capability*

 

[Orin GA]

Look at his/her tag. Whoever he/she is, they've been vetted by the mods.

So you are saying the mods are in on it too?

......How deep does this thing go...

 

[AllenShrz]

Twice as powerful?

So 1080/60fps finally?

 

[b3b0p]

Instead of faster PS4 I would rather have had a Playstation that can play all past and present Playstation games I currently own and are in the wild, a la Fat PS3.

 

[RowdyReverb]

It's interesting how Sony won lots of good will this gen by selling the PS4 as a traditional game console, and now they are eschewing traditional game console cycle.

 

[pupcoffee]

I hope we see some cross PS3/PS4.0/PS4.5 releases.

 

[kc44135]

If this PS4K were to release in 2017, that'd be 4 useful years on the market. And at worst, the PS4 would still get major support (with an emphasis that the games work as expected) for another year.
That's 5 useful years. That's a relatively normal console generation.

Building a nice PC is always a nice alternative to consoles. I just don't see why this would be the deal breaker. If you got 200 bucks for your PS4 and put it towards a PS4k, that 200 dollars you spent isn't all that major of an expense for what you might get. Just my thoughts.

No, it would be just over 3 years on the market. OP is saying Q1 2017. I could even see it launching this year alongside PS VR. Doesn't seem like much of a stretch. Also, sure, I could get a PS4K for $200, maybe, but I shouldn't have to. I bought a PS4 with the expectation I would get at least 5 years out of it. This goes against the idea of consoles, and doesn't sit well with me at all. I'd rather buy a PC and choose when to upgrade rather than buy Sony consoles and then have them tell me "time to upgrade to the 4K version, or play games at 15FPS".

 

[Glorified G]

Twice as powerful?

So 1080/60fps finally?

PS3 had this 10 years ago. Framerate has nothing to do with console hardware.

 

[Gurish]

There isn't going to be any sort of official Sony trade in program.

Will there be some games (exclusives) that will target the PS4K like the OP suggest, means, PS4 will get a downport?

Btw guys in case you didn't know Matt is a developer, so he probably speaks from knowledge.

 

[bitbydeath]

Because a teraflop is a teraflop. Why do people keep thinking there are variants of a teraflop? Also if you read my post I also mentioned the scenario where ps4k is > 2x the PS4 (highly unlikely)

Heat dissipation.

 

[Protann]

So what's next after the PS4K? Does Sony release a proper 'PS5' after a while, or do we keep getting a more powerful PS4 every 3 years? I really hope they make the life cycle of this thing clear when they announce it. It's the least they could do, IMO.

 

[David Ricardo]

I think they are absolutely preparing their reveal in response to feedback from this thread.

I wish them luck. It's going to be a very tough sell.

 

[RowdyReverb]

PS3 had this 10 years ago. Framerate has nothing to do with console hardware.

A lot of people seem to miss this. 1080p60 is always a matter of whether or not the developer is willing to make graphical tradeoffs, and usually they opt for flashier effects

 

[kc44135]

Real question to current PS4 owners: would you guys have not bought your console if you knew about the PS4K when you bought it?

No, I wouldn't have bought any version of the PS4, period. This isn't what I want from consoles.

 

[small44]

Twice as powerful?

So 1080/60fps finally?

No devs will always prioritize graphics over fps

 

[AmyS]

Twice as powerful?

So 1080/60fps finally?

Doesn't work like that. There could be hardware 20 times as powerful as PS4, and if developers choose to push graphics high enough (even in 1080p) that only 30fps is possible, well there's the answer.

 

[Gurish]

I wish them luck. It's going to be a very tough sell.

*Showing GOW4 on PS4K*

Easy sell.

 

[chromatic9]

Well you said



What do you mean by this then?

In case you didn't follow the thread. People have read the OP and ran with looking at PS4 1.84tflops and adding that to 3.6tflops and stating somewhere around a 280x like Durante said. This is comparing the same GCN family. This is twice the spec which others have said not me.

Twice the performance. If you want that then comparing something between a 7850/7870 to a 280/280x doesn't get you 2x the performance even though it's double the tflops (OP says 2x performance and I replied to a guy with a good question). If you want double the performance in games you need to go to something like a 290. it's clear as day in my post. I mention fuck all of coding to the metal. 280x over a 7850/7870 gets you around 70% as stated in my post, clear as day.

I have a gtx 970 and it's definitely not suited for 4k ( even at 30 fps) in all current games.

In a majority it's fine if you settle for 30 fps and turning a few things down, in some you can even comfortably do 60 fps at 4k, but most of the ubisoft stuff or witcher 3 etc is a no go unless you put settings way way down (like below ps4 settings, do you see a developer put the settings below those of the 1080p ps4 version to get to 4K?)

OP's rumor doesn't put it at gtx 970 performance either (would need to be a 2.5x bump for that not 2x

You've just repeated what I posted. My post is settling for around 30fps, it's right there in the post. I even mention the games, Shadow of Mordor, COD AW and these are running higher than console and get 30fps or more at 4k. I own a 970 and play these resolutions every week. In AC Unity I drop down to something like 2880x1620/3200x1800 and have way higher settings than console.

You should check out some benches of 290/970 compared to 7850/7870, it's 2x-2.25x the PS4. Keep in mind PS4 is not a 7850 nor a 7870 but something in between.

Take a peak
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1076?vs=1068

I have to go now. I don't have time to update you on more benches. My post is about getting 290/970 perf in a console type box with typical power requirements which many believe you need some $1000 PS4 or it's impssoible. 4k is not some way out there thing. Nvidia already have this down to 150W in 2014.

Just to help you some more
Nvidia dropped a Titan performance using keplar at 250-300W down to Maxwell 970 150W in two years on the same 28nm. getting 970 at 150w down to 100W is feasible and this if AMD has caught up could see something good. I'm not saying AMD has done this. PS4k could be like a 280. Nobody knows. I'm just saying it can be done and you guys have some way out there thoughts on 4k just like many in this thread or here

Last weeks thread of 4k needs alien tech, 980ti out the ass. No please look at the benches.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1198430