ninjablade
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GTAV and last of us had bad frame rates, unless you think sub 30fps occasionally is good, these are facts, there are DF articles about these games, but many games pushing the hardware ran bad on ps3.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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GTAV and last of us had bad frame rates, unless you think sub 30fps occasionally is good, these are facts, there are DF articles about these games, but many games pushing the hardware ran bad on ps3.
I doubt ps5 will have 18 tf or 14.4 tf.
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I wouldn't mind if the PS4K had better graphics than the OG PS4 for VR, but better performance is something that concerns me. VR is very strict with framerates, so they can't mess that up.
AbandonedTrolley
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Looks like I might just have to trade in my 20th Anniversary machine, at least it should have held its value right?
After playing the FF XV Platinum Demo released a few hours ago,
I began to feel that FFXV needs a PS4k version. A game which was aimed for the original PS4 is making me feel this way.
Its already starting to happen.. (at least to my eyes)
Aztechnology
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It would be consistent with almost all past generational leaps though.
Lionel Richie
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I can't think rationally about this. I do feel very fucked for being an early adopter and I'm not buying the new model.
ninjablade
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Is this real. That would be awesome.
well nx is probably incrementally upgraded by its nature. this is more of a general direction that dedicated hardware is moving in in order to stay relevant.
the wii u -> nx is nothing like what ps4 -> ps4k is though. it's more like 3ds -> new 3ds.
kungfuian
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Without VR entered into the picture I agree with much of the sentiment of this thread. The idea of iterative console releases just feels wrong to me; if it means just better performance, graphics or whatever on a regular screen.
But with VR entering the picture my view point is a bit different. My suspicion is the PSVR, and VR in general, while workable with the current PS4, just requires some extra muscle to really get it where they want it. If they want to release an upgraded PS4 so VR can be more immersive, fully featured, etc., I'm all for it. I don't really want a gaming PC (basically the same or similar situation) so a PS4K that pushes a higher quality VR experience is welcome in my book. The 4K part is just a bonus IMO.
Aside from that I feel like an iterative console structure could work or it could tank. It's all in the details, delivery, timing, price, and software; all have to be just right and there are way too many unanswered questions.
Will the new system offer a substantial increase and enticing enough price to warrant purchase?
Will future software be created across the PS4 branded devices so prior PS4s are supported adequately and new versions of software not gimped by old hardware?
Will PS4s continue to be made and supported or dropped in favor of the new model?
Will Sony try to iterate too often (like every year or two) or just enough (like say every 4 years)?
Will they message and market this new business model to customers well?
etc.etc.etc.
But with VR entering the picture my view point is a bit different. My suspicion is the PSVR, and VR in general, while workable with the current PS4, just requires some extra muscle to really get it where they want it. If they want to release an upgraded PS4 so VR can be more immersive, fully featured, etc., I'm all for it. I don't really want a gaming PC (basically the same or similar situation) so a PS4K that pushes a higher quality VR experience is welcome in my book. The 4K part is just a bonus IMO.
Aside from that I feel like an iterative console structure could work or it could tank. It's all in the details, delivery, timing, price, and software; all have to be just right and there are way too many unanswered questions.
Will the new system offer a substantial increase and enticing enough price to warrant purchase?
Will future software be created across the PS4 branded devices so prior PS4s are supported adequately and new versions of software not gimped by old hardware?
Will PS4s continue to be made and supported or dropped in favor of the new model?
Will Sony try to iterate too often (like every year or two) or just enough (like say every 4 years)?
Will they message and market this new business model to customers well?
etc.etc.etc.
Where did I call Sony evil exactly? Calm yourself.
gundamkyoukai
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So like other consumer electronics ?
Plus if they wait a year PS4 going to be even cheaper .
Just because someone spend $300( PS4 price during xmas) on a system don't mean they willing to spend $500 on one.
Aztechnology
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No I made it as just a generic representation. I'm just pointing out that the only difference would basically just be presets. People are freaking out over this way too much over the last few days. Sony can more than handle two different presets for their titles, as can third party devs (As they have for years). Not a big deal.
ninjablade
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If they handle it this way that would be perfect.
joecanada
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Well it would have to go clear to fall to be full four years wouldn't it? Anyway my point is Nintendo is doing the exact same thing and already did with handheld too. All electronics are like this you can wait forever for a better deal. Just get what you want. Nintendo can't wait to drop they're latest system but apparently because it's called the next gen they are the good guys lol. Ms is already migrating to Windows anyway so doesn't really affect them
I'm thinking sony really really feels vr is going to be big so they need some new hardware basically. They need options for people who want it all, 4K TV the whole lot
You're talking about an extreme tech enthusiast community. Most people don't actually upgrade their PC's and tablets every few years, nor do they prefer to feel inclined to, and even then the real world performance differences between tablets etc aren't so massive, not for ordinary day to day use anyway. Phones are also a different kettle of fish because they work mostly on the basis of mobile phone contracts, which enable upgrades periodically and are subsided, so not at all comparable.
The beauty of console gaming was always that you buy hardware that is exceptionally good value for money early on in the life cycle, and dirt cheap towards the end of the cycle before any new hardware version is released. Sony's move here eradicates that, and sets a somewhat dangerous precedent not only offering less value proposition to console buyers going forward, but breaking up the closed platform optimisation fundamental, essentially asking developers to split development and optimisation between two different hardware platforms, where one might suffer in the process.
Buba Big Guns
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How else would they handle it? Seems pretty obvious.
Generalpsyduck
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Is Sony pulling an apple?
Glorified G
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You're nonsensical post still doesn't make any more sense regardless if the word "evil" was used in a reply.
joecanada
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Your right you said second PS4, I was thinking of an earlier post that was calling for everyone to switch
gundamkyoukai
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Nah consoles just catching up to most other consumer electronics .
I don't know if you actually have a point. Beyond indignant rage, that is...
Hawk269
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WTF??? Is this a joke post? How are you being punished? Do you think the day the PS4K comes out, Sony will send a patch to disable your PS4? I don't get comments like yours. It really is shocking to read something like that.
scoobs
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PC is an option the hardcore should consider, its much more flexible (its what I play on mostly). However, not everyone has the know-how to build a comparable PC. Also, the low entry price of $400 every 2 years is still cheaper for most people. It's also completely optional (as far as we know), keep your old one as long as you want! The carrot on the stick that is the new/better PS4 will eventually be there for you to upgrade to when the time comes that you must have it, or can afford it. Consoles will still have a place.
At the end of the day they're giving us more options, which to me seems like nothing but a positive. This all depends on whether or not new games will continue to work (and work well) on old PS4s.
I think the most exciting part of all of this as a PC gamer mostly, is that this will undoubtedly push technology further, faster than we currently are. Games will look better across the board, and if they continue releasing new hardware at a semi-annual basis, we'll be looking at currently unobtainable in-game graphics in no time. Yay for progress!
If devs mostly target their games at 1080/60 on PS4K and 1080/30 on PS4 then we will have a happy medium I think.
If they start maxing out games in 1080/30 on PS4K then we're going to have issues with original PS4 performance.
ninjablade
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You could say for just about every electronic, if you waited a year after release you the ps4 for 329 on ebay with gtav and last of us on black Friday samething with every phone they buy it for 700$ day one a year later you can get on ebay 400$ new, I think with the ps4 you take very little loss if you sell yourself and buy at the right time.
Wind's Howling
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The thing is. This comes too soon for most people and that is why the backfire in this thread is horrendous. 2 more years added after this "rumor" and people will be cheering when it releases in 2018.
Captain Smirk
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Awesome news, hopefully I have enough money saved up by time it releases. Upgrade program would be immense, Sony are wise to upgrade early with all the looming competition in the console and VR markets
We have spring consumer electronics show going on called GITEX. For the most part there is very little discount and retailers just tag on some random bullshit and call the items on "sale". The only real sale happens for old stock which are marked down by 10-20% to make way for newer stock coming up.
The PS4 (500GB) is being sold for $275 at GITEX right now. With an extra controller, Uncharted Collection and SF V (1TB version) is for $400. These offers stand with all retailers. Usually if a product is this far discounted, chances are prices will remain that way even post GITEX (mostly to get rid of old stock).
Now the PS4 isn't being phased out because that'd be impossible this early in the year, but I genuinely believe the PS4K will be hitting this holiday season.
For comparison the Xbox One deals still start from $400, and Wii U from $350. Also, the UAE, and pretty much the entire Middle Eastern region is dominated by PlayStation. Just like much of Asia. Microsoft didn't take these countries seriously (or rather most countries outside of North America and Western Europe) so Sony has a very strong foothold in these markets since the mid-90s.
The PS4 (500GB) is being sold for $275 at GITEX right now. With an extra controller, Uncharted Collection and SF V (1TB version) is for $400. These offers stand with all retailers. Usually if a product is this far discounted, chances are prices will remain that way even post GITEX (mostly to get rid of old stock).
Now the PS4 isn't being phased out because that'd be impossible this early in the year, but I genuinely believe the PS4K will be hitting this holiday season.
For comparison the Xbox One deals still start from $400, and Wii U from $350. Also, the UAE, and pretty much the entire Middle Eastern region is dominated by PlayStation. Just like much of Asia. Microsoft didn't take these countries seriously (or rather most countries outside of North America and Western Europe) so Sony has a very strong foothold in these markets since the mid-90s.
flipswitch
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So if Sony announce PS4K at E3, how would the crowd react?
Hawk269
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lmao. In all joking aside, I do think it will come down to something simple like this. PS4 games will be 900p or 1080p with 30fps. PS4K games will be 1080p/60fps with more things set to a high preset. I said it before and I will say it again, Sony is not stupid, they are not going to have 40million+ PS4 owners getting shitty hand me down games that are gimped and run at 20fps. They will mandate at minimum 900p/30fps depending on the game.
Hostile_18
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So how much difference are we talking between a top of the line 1080p TV and a upscaled game on a 4k TV?
I really don't want to have to buy a new TV on top of psvr, ps4k etc... but will look into it if the visual upgrade is significant.
I really don't want to have to buy a new TV on top of psvr, ps4k etc... but will look into it if the visual upgrade is significant.
ninjablade
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I heard from insider here that it will only be 4k, same game on ps4 which doesn't make any sense considering the specs.
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E3 is a closed event, isn't it? Common people can't go there anymore since ages ago.
I would boo, obviously, but we're talking about game journalists here.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
You're not making any sense. 900p is gimped. It's unacceptable.
bitbydeath
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You must be new to Sony.
They've only done that with CD, DVD, Blu-ray, HD and soon UHD.
ninjablade
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Keep your ps4 and enjoy it, or sell on Craigslist for 250, 2 weeks before new ps4 comes out.
Hawk269
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Depends on how they announce it. For something like this (as you can tell from the various reactions in this thread) it would have to be something they give enough time to explain what it is, what it does and what it means for both PS4 and PS4K owners. It wont be a simple slide on the screen saying PS4K out this November and then move on to something else. If it is at E3, I suspect a pretty good segment devoted to it during the presser so they can speak clearly and ensure that PS4 owners won't be feeling fucked over. It will have to be well planned out and they cannot have any type of MS fuckups in presenting it.
this wasn't a truth of video game consoles though. sure you could maybe get some with more storage or a different design, but that didn't really impact the final product of the games. and console gaming enthusiasts shouldn't be expected to guess that hardware manufacturers are going to make that switch of what their platform fundamentally is in the middle (or really twilight years) of a generation.
Lionel Richie
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Yes, this is how I feel. This just sends a bad message from the start, even if a lot of people like the idea, a lot of them don't. Why split the fanbase? They could have waited another year, launch this motherfucker in 2018 and call it the PS5. A lot less people would be getting angry.
It just doesn't hit the sweet spot.
PuppetMaster
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Does Playstation Now even have competition at the moment?
OnLive went bankrupt and shut down. Sony bought all thier worthwhile patents.