geordiemp
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And lets not forget Nintendo who started the mid gen upgrades, and have said their are going the 'platform' route from now on.
Should sony be the only manufacturer NOT to do this/
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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And lets not forget Nintendo who started the mid gen upgrades, and have said their are going the 'platform' route from now on.
Should sony be the only manufacturer NOT to do this/
Chobel
Member
Well that's stupid decision from Sony.
Guys do you remember how Sony is always proud about being a company that supports their consoles longer than any other company, even after new iteration announced or released, we have several examples for such games that came out on a so called "dead system".
What are the chances that this Sony will dare to do anything that will damage PS4 users at mid gen?!
I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt for now, they earned it over the years.
What are the chances that this Sony will dare to do anything that will damage PS4 users at mid gen?!
I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt for now, they earned it over the years.
TheLegendOfMart
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Where's the "forced" part? Because it seems ps4.5 is meant more for late adapter than existing ps4 owners.
McHuj
Member
Probably not, but simply splicing another instance of the PS4 GPU on the APU would probably be the cheapest from a silicon development point of view and may be easiest to develop for as well.
Melchiah
Member
I consider my self a console gamer since Sega master system. I always got launch consoles and never lost a gen since then. I never felt that I made a wrong decision buying a console although I could have made better choices.
Concerning the upgrades, they'd rather make a PS5 and/or a new Xbox. Upgrading a 5+years old tech (this is what current gen is compered to PCs) with faster gpus but keeping the same old SATA2 is no good.
I strongly believe that there is a very good reason to boycott such decisions. I am fed up with gaming industry the last couple of years. What we get is game remasters, very few new IPs, consoles that are no good for what they promise (900p on X1, 30fps on both consoles etc.) In a couple of years gaming will be much worse than it is today.
I wouldn't stand against Sony and/or MS, if they would announce a PS5, 3 years after PS4/X1 launch. A PS5 with SSD, sata3, gpus and cpus equivalent of at least an Intel i5 and nvidia 970 is what I want. Mass sales will help sony/ms sell the new high end consoles at a very good price equivalent of X1+Kinect
I'm only fed up with the open world fad, as there's a lack of linear experiences in the AAA space, especially if you like to play 3rd person action-adventures and RPGs. Otherwise I've been more than satisfied, particularly with the amount of new IPs. Are you specifically excluding multiplatforms, indies, and/or games you don't care about, when you say there's been only few of them?
30fps is good enough for me, as I prefer better visuals over better performance, and if the PS4K offers more of that, or both, I'll definitely buy one. Where was 60fps promised for PS4, and 1080p for XBO?
RipperGrim
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There is most certainly a revision for the PS4 that is going to happen but whether it's going to be the complete game changer that this is or not?
Before this thread it was talked about as if it was going to allow 4k media to played on it but now it's going to be completely redone with a new cpu and gpu? It's such a stupid idea.
But aren't assets created in the highest possible quality first? And then create several other quality subsets to make them fit hardware with varying power levels.
The Last One
Member
Huh? Sli? It can't be.
The best developers don't develop for "appropriate configurations," though. From the stories you always hear from great devs, what happens is the director goes insane, declares, "fuck the appropriate configurations," and leads the team into pulling off amazing technical feats. Nobody will be pushing violently against the PS4's limitations thanks to the presence of the PS4.5, I mean what's the point? And nobody will be pushing violently against the PS4.5's limitations because they still have to tether it into the ballpark of the PS4.0.
wapplew
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I thought this gen has proved majority of people just want a traditional game console.
Aye.
I could even see a case where some modes become standard "targets" for PS4/ PS4K:
SP= 1080p30 / 1080p60 + higher AA
MP= 900p60/ 1080p60 standard / regular AA
GHG
Gold Member
Yeh well times appear to be changing. It's about time that these consoles become ecosystems rather than closed off individual boxes with no forward or backwards compatibility. The only thing you're crying about is the fact that you won't be able to play your games on the latest and greatest. What you have already bought doesn't change other than your own perceived value of it.
geordiemp
Member
Yeah this guy has been teasing allot and allowed to by Y2kev so he is checked, and everybody is not reading this at all.
If their are 2 GPU's then its purely for 4K and will not be any benefit for most Ps4 games.
Move along, there is nothing to see here.
Yeah I don't know how to feel about this..
I just got a PS4 for Christmas from the wife mainly for SF5/UC4 but was REALLY looking forward eventually to GT7 and I've got a sinking feeling that's gonna be a game utilizing PS4Ks added power..if not outright exclusive to it.
Unless we get some significant upgrade incentive there's no way I'm getting PS4K and TBH I think it might hurt my wife's feelings like she bought me the wrong thing, not knowing this new system was coming of course. So yeah probably gonna stick w my basic ps4 lol.
I just got a PS4 for Christmas from the wife mainly for SF5/UC4 but was REALLY looking forward eventually to GT7 and I've got a sinking feeling that's gonna be a game utilizing PS4Ks added power..if not outright exclusive to it.
Unless we get some significant upgrade incentive there's no way I'm getting PS4K and TBH I think it might hurt my wife's feelings like she bought me the wrong thing, not knowing this new system was coming of course. So yeah probably gonna stick w my basic ps4 lol.
PS4 (and xb1 for that matter) has still not peaked imo. All you get is how weak the hardware is and number numbers numbers. Yes its weak.
But the result matters.
I look at Uncharted 4 and I cant believe these visuals. I dont know if there are people out there that look at Uncharted 4 and the only reaction the have is "meh" or "weak", but if there are, they dont make sense to me.
But the result matters.
I look at Uncharted 4 and I cant believe these visuals. I dont know if there are people out there that look at Uncharted 4 and the only reaction the have is "meh" or "weak", but if there are, they dont make sense to me.
Bitch Pudding
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Because as we all know, consoles are not smartphones. Neither are they subsidised nor can you carry them around and smug-face them into your friends' ass.
Comparing them to tablets makes more sense. Apple introduced a new edition every ~12 month from the start. At the beginning, people blamed Apple for those short life-cycles, but at the end, people got used to it. They even expect new devices every year.
Thing is: The residual value of Apple products is quite high. You can still sell your 4 year old iPad 2 for a decent price these days. Still, we can already see some kind of tablet fatigue which is a direct result of those short life-cycles, combined with just incremental improvements compared to the respective predecessor.
So my point is:
a) Sony has to take care of the residual value of the original SKU. If they allow New-SKU exclusive games, it will go down the tube right away, otherwise it will be okay for what it is.
b) Sony can't update/upgrade the SKU every year. The improvements would be too incremental to justify spending another 400-500 bucks for the new one. Every 3 years / in the middle of a console's life-cycle is perfect for that approach, as they can provide a significant upgrade at a decent price.
GHG
Gold Member
If it looks the same or similar and you want it just trade it in and she will never know.
Dictator93
Member
Higher AA? Given the prevalence of deferred rendering and the lack of MSAA in nearly all titles, I am not sure one could expect something like a simple linear "better AA".
I wouldn't have bought it. The price for the full PSVR experience is now another 800 or so.
I already spent 400 when I first heard they were making a VR headset.
100% agree.
I think pushing God of War 4 as a "full PS4K" experience shortly after the PS4K releases is a bit messed up for people who bought an original PS4 anticipating the game but that still goes into what you've stated.
Devs and (some) gamers want progress but high costs and smaller overall user bases are holding things back. Essentially ending console gaming generations is a BIG risk but I feel that this move was bound to happen given how long the previous generation lasted.
Thinking about this, I think even a yearly or 2 year upgrade cycle could work for Sony, seeing as they don't want tech upgrades to leave them behind.
I see no issue as long as backwards compatibility is a thing and it seems console users are frothing at the mouth to have some form of new tech in their machine regularly.
There could be serious money to be made and ability to lock users in your ecosystem with that approach better than 5 year console gens.
Edit: what does Zoetis post about SLI mean for PS4K?
I see no issue as long as backwards compatibility is a thing and it seems console users are frothing at the mouth to have some form of new tech in their machine regularly.
There could be serious money to be made and ability to lock users in your ecosystem with that approach better than 5 year console gens.
Edit: what does Zoetis post about SLI mean for PS4K?
Sony isn't mandating shit when it comes to third party devs. It is up to the developer and will continue to be up to the developer (they can probably mandate minimum performance for the first party studios).
McHuj
Member
Still not enough power to push 4K. You'd need quad SLI.
If it's some sort of weird SLI setup, it's for VR (think a simplified Radeon Pro Duo concept)
Shit, this on point.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Theres nothing to stop PS5 being backwards compatible if they keep the x86 APU configuration.
This isn't a generational leap situation though, they've clearly been planning this from the start and it isn't anything reactionary to what Microsoft are doing. It's not as simple as just dropping in a more powerful APU onto the board.
Why wouldn't there be a benefit to games?
A second GPU (or APU) means a lot more power, unless it's some kind of onboard, integrated-type joke-gpu.
get2sammyb
Member
Sony hasn't been reactionary this gen at all. I don't see why they'd start now. I imagine this, if it's happening, was always part of the plan.
"Sorry the PS4 isn't powerful enough to run the FOLDERS feature"
Im not really understanding some of the complaints on here. You will still be playing the same games on your ps4 Even if the ps4k doesn't come out.
Regarding the fact that you invested $300-400 only 1-2 years ago, the same can be Said for just about anything else. People Buy a $50000 car and in 1 year, the new model comes out.
Regarding the fact that you invested $300-400 only 1-2 years ago, the same can be Said for just about anything else. People Buy a $50000 car and in 1 year, the new model comes out.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
they can make it where the same copy of game run at different performance depending on the ps4 it is run at.
several developers has did it across 3ds and new3ds.
I think you're missing the point here, which is consistency of fps in MP.
The boost in SP could be a host of things beside framerate, from AA to shadows or draw distance.
Disagree; This is more so a move in reaction to how long the previous gen lasted and how many people (gamers and devs) complained about it.
Hence why the PS4 (and Xbox One for that mater) was built with a PC like architecture. Easy to transfer games over to better hardware to make improvements.
I wonder if Sony is targetting PC/console enthusiast market with this *alleged* version? So if Sony does do it then maybe they are looking a future where they will launch new versions of the console every 3 years or so. And this latest version will basically match top of the line gaming PC performance wise.
This version will have BC with previous version atleast. Plus now a days there are hardly any AAA/AA PC exclusives. This machine could be attractive to both console and PC enthusiasts.
This version will have BC with previous version atleast. Plus now a days there are hardly any AAA/AA PC exclusives. This machine could be attractive to both console and PC enthusiasts.
Gumbie
Member
What the hell was he supposed to build that they could sell for $399 3 years ago?
After ~40 million consoles sold and profitable 6 months post-release? Yes. It's a complete failure. That's why he disappeared. He's burning with the shame.
No because what he said held true during the time that he said it.
It being 6 years instead of 3 wouldn't change it.
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Also this!
After a lot of consideration with myself, I think I have to agree to this statement
GHG
Gold Member
I actually think there will likely be just 1 or 2 flagship titles that will ship with each new iteration that will either be exclusive or be heavily upgraded over the version on the previous console. And it will not cause the whole thing to go down the tube either.
Why? Because everyone will know that if you buy a future updated console then that previous "new n shiny" game will also be playable on that in a year or twos time. Those who can't wait will upgrade every year, and those who can will simply upgrade whenever they feel the time is right and still enjoy anything they might have previously missed. This has been going on for ages on the PC and IOS.
GlamFM
Banned
No, it´s ok to say this is a bad post though.
GamerMax73
Member
Go for the $500 CPU option Sony.
Drop the PS4 to sub $250.
Gamestop can handle trade-in.
If Significant performance loss on PS4 translates as nothing less than 900p or 30fps then I don't see the problem.
Hopefully this signals forward compatibility with PS5. If that's the case I'll get one secondhand when PS5 drops.
Given faster hardware why wouldn't existing games already see better/more stable frames per second without any patching?
I remain a happy PS4 gamer for years to come.
Drop the PS4 to sub $250.
Gamestop can handle trade-in.
If Significant performance loss on PS4 translates as nothing less than 900p or 30fps then I don't see the problem.
Hopefully this signals forward compatibility with PS5. If that's the case I'll get one secondhand when PS5 drops.
Given faster hardware why wouldn't existing games already see better/more stable frames per second without any patching?
I remain a happy PS4 gamer for years to come.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
That also had a low failure rate.