PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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People didn't agree with PS3. If they cram all they can get in at launch the broke whine. If they fragment the broke whine. Not saying anything about you I mean general terms.
katsubento
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I will say one thing about PS4K..whatever it is, whether true or not...
PS4K is a bad ass sounding name for a console.
PS4K is a bad ass sounding name for a console.
SneakyStephan
Banned
That would be the hope yes, since it's all just x86 hardware now there's no reason why it would work any other way (you never know with these companies though, if they see a buck to be made doing it any other way they will)
Btw check the previous page I quoted you in an edit to reply to you
Swass
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I also hope they improve the wifi in the PS4K, up it to dual band AC..
Microsoft should use it for their refresh if Sony doesn't, it will technically be their 4th console and will get them back on proper numbering.. Xbox 4k.
Microsoft should use it for their refresh if Sony doesn't, it will technically be their 4th console and will get them back on proper numbering.. Xbox 4k.
Ummm
It's not that. we could but why should we have to put up with the console space beginning to get more split than it is already between 3 companies?
Marty Chinn
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Or people could be worried about the idea of moving away from set generations and moving to purely an iterative model and it has nothing to do with not being able to afford it.
There will be two PS4s. And proper marketing and naming could curb confusion. Again two, not "a million", just two. And plenty of the tech market is over saturated with tiny upgrades at a yearly basis, pretty sure people are going to be able to fathom a stronger PS4.
Wishmaster92
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Exactly, might as well advertise it as a cheap 4k Blu-ray player and a current gen console that plays games at higher fidelity that it's weaker counterpart.
More than anything else, i would like to hear Sony's explanation as to why they decided to go this route, and what they will say to the consumer at large, and so i hope they don't beat around the bush too long on officially revealing whatever this thing is supposed to be.
I think their attitude on how they reveal this thing themselves to the Playstation community will have a big part in how this thing is received in the end. The PS4's reveal and how they treated it played a big part in the boost at the start Sony got with that platform.
I think their attitude on how they reveal this thing themselves to the Playstation community will have a big part in how this thing is received in the end. The PS4's reveal and how they treated it played a big part in the boost at the start Sony got with that platform.
texhnolyze
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It'll be revealed at the E3, I guess.
So we'll have to deal with this kind of 'based on rumors' discussions until then.
So by your definition the naming conventions of both Apple & Samsung for their phones must be confusing for consumers?
There are people who have griped at the concept of buying new hardware after thinking they only had to pay once for the generation.
Cost may not be an issue for you, but it most assuredly is for some.
They got less than or just about 1 year to market the hell out of this thing... I doubt general consumers will accept and listen correctly.
Also The only reason why phones are well known is because the 2 major competitors, Apple and Samsung have conditioned people into yearly upgrades and so people are more in tune to that.
Consoles don't have that push.
Look at how many people still own an ancient PC outside of friends and GAF.
Marty Chinn
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I'm not saying cost isn't a factor to some; I'm saying it's not purely a cost issue. There are other reasons outside of cost to be concerned with this move.
Killroyskbg
Member
And what if they sell 200mil or become bigger the Google? This is just ridicolus since no one knows how it will sell.
One of the worst comparisons i have read in a while. Like you said there are serveral different steam machines that have different specs, brands etc that can confuse buyers. Sony will have 2 that plays the same games but one does it a little better and also offer 4k video. Is that confusing?
Price point will offcourse have an impact but people also often pay more for something better which every store employeer will tell them it is. It has 4k support for video which will attract some.
bitbydeath
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Updated:
Pros
Backwards and forwards compatibility;
No more restarting OS from scratch;
Less risk with introducing new (costly) tech;
Less chance of PS2/3 situations for devs having to learn alien tech;
Closer to the bleeding edge (for those that want it);
Consumer choice regarding how much to spend;
No/less need for remasters.
4K player (Affordable/Updated/Less devices near TV)
Controller BC due to same architecture (potentially)
Longer overall console lifetime/support
Cons
Faster transitions.
Exclusives on PS4K due to not being possible on PS4.
Pros
Backwards and forwards compatibility;
No more restarting OS from scratch;
Less risk with introducing new (costly) tech;
Less chance of PS2/3 situations for devs having to learn alien tech;
Closer to the bleeding edge (for those that want it);
Consumer choice regarding how much to spend;
No/less need for remasters.
4K player (Affordable/Updated/Less devices near TV)
Controller BC due to same architecture (potentially)
Longer overall console lifetime/support
Cons
Faster transitions.
Exclusives on PS4K due to not being possible on PS4.
SmiteOfHand
Member
Apple and Samsung did this successfully, so there is no way Sony will be able to?
People are comfortable not upgrading their PC constantly despite there being loads of upgrade options, but 1 upgrade option is going to cause their mind to melt?
What are you even saying?
As long as the bolded is for PS VR titles, I honestly won't mind too much. The pros seem to be okay the more I think about it.
recklesscognition
Member
Roughly how much would a PC gamer have to shell out every 3/4 years to keep their system up-to-date?
texhnolyze
Banned
Just wondering, why do you put that bolded one on the pros?
Do you honestly want this gen to stay for much longer? Don't you want games to have another breakthrough(s) with next-gen capabilities as soon as they can?
I personally see longer console lifespan as an obstruction to video games development. The longer the PS4 alive, the longer we'll stay in this generation. But that's just me.
The problem is why pay more if the games will work for both? There's where the confusion for the mass majority will sit.
Also the fact that many people who are playing consoles are 1080p screen users. 4k isn't selling well due to people even looking at them cannot see the reason why to upgrade.
All around it's a bad move and is confusiong and shows they are completely out of touch with the silent majority and only listening to the vocal minority
The thing to fear is not those who speak out but those who are silent.
People learned to be conditioned in phones and tablets, I don't see why an even smaller subset of the same people can take that conditioning into other areas of tech.
bitbydeath
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Didn't add these 3 but feel free to contest.
1. Looks similar to BC.
2. Don't we get these now expect with just reduced res/fps?
3. Figured this was BC related as well.
True...so they have a decent amount of time to think about how they will reveal it...but the speculation and talk in the industry isn't going to abate at all, so they need to think hard.
Also, for that list of 'positives' and 'negatives', i have to say that basically a majority of that positive stuff would be the exact same if they had stuck with the generational divides we always have had. The architecture just makes things easier by default at the current point in time.
But that has no bearing on introducing new updated hardware every 2 years, which just thinking about it makes me see red. But again, i want to wait and see for myself what Sony has to say.
No one is forcing you to buy it.... It's a free market, if you don't like the idea of a new PS4 don't buy it... If you don't like iterative upgrades then stick to Nintendo (err 3DS/N3DS) well I guess you are screwed give up playing games and go read books.
SmiteOfHand
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I don't see the problem here as a pro. What if you are the sort of person who mostly likes games that don't push hardware. Smaller scale indie games, puzzle games, etc..
If you are still able to play the games you like 10 years from now and devs know their games will run well, win/win. No reason to cut off old hardware. What is the problem?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Yeah I'm not gonna take your word for it. You seem to be one of those that are butthurt about being left behind with an inferior model and pretty biased.
Try convincing people are pay as often an upfront price of $400-$500 Also even with this I rarely see people with the latest iphone or Samsung, it's always lasy year's or 2 or more years older.
You also add on needing $50 a year for online play a total of $550-$600 or if starting at $500 then it's $650-$700 for the iterations.
Microsoft is doing a mid-cycle refresh. Nintendo is as well (even though it's actually a successor I fully anticipate wii u compatibility of some form). The affordability of mid range cards on pc delivering closer to high end performance now coupled with the decrease in prices of components overall make this a bit easier for these console companies to make substantial changes to their hardware at a general consumer price.
Personally I'm not investing on mid cycle refreshes. I might pick up the NX bc I love Nintendo first party games. MS already has stated that Xbox first party games more often than not will be released on Pc as well. As much as I love my ps4, the software library quite frankly is shit compared to the competition from a first party perspective. As much as I'd love bloodbourne at 60fps, I'm not paying 400 to do so.
The best comparison I can come up with for the new direction of consoles is steambox. Sure all of them will run Witcher 3, but if you want that sweet lookin geralt hair you better pony up the extra 100 or whatever. At least when companies like Alienware rolled out their boxes with tiered performance (i3, i5 etc) released at the same time though and didn't piss off their consumer base (all 8 of those who bought one)
Oh and if these new batch of consoles are indeed supporting 4k, even in limited fashion, the real name of the NX is easy:
Personally I'm not investing on mid cycle refreshes. I might pick up the NX bc I love Nintendo first party games. MS already has stated that Xbox first party games more often than not will be released on Pc as well. As much as I love my ps4, the software library quite frankly is shit compared to the competition from a first party perspective. As much as I'd love bloodbourne at 60fps, I'm not paying 400 to do so.
The best comparison I can come up with for the new direction of consoles is steambox. Sure all of them will run Witcher 3, but if you want that sweet lookin geralt hair you better pony up the extra 100 or whatever. At least when companies like Alienware rolled out their boxes with tiered performance (i3, i5 etc) released at the same time though and didn't piss off their consumer base (all 8 of those who bought one)
Oh and if these new batch of consoles are indeed supporting 4k, even in limited fashion, the real name of the NX is easy:
Wii UHD
Microsoft is doing a mid-cycle refresh. Nintendo is as well (even though it's actually a successor I fully anticipate wii u compatibility of some form). The affordability of mid range cards on pc delivering closer to high end performance now coupled with the decrease in prices of components overall make this a bit easier for these console companies to make substantial changes to their hardware at a general consumer price.
Personally I'm not investing on mid cycle refreshes. I might pick up the NX bc I love Nintendo first party games. MS already has stated that Xbox first party games more often than not will be released on Pc as well. As much as I love my ps4, the software library quite frankly is shit compared to the competition from a first party perspective. As much as I'd love bloodbourne at 60fps, I'm not paying 400 to do so.
Oh and if these new batch of consoles are indeed supporting 4k, even in limited fashion, the real name of the NX is easy:
Wii UHD
At this point, will get a PS4 this year and a NX handheld early next year myself
. The one good thing about mid-console refreshes that I realized today is the original consoles will go down heavily in price, making more people get the OG units. So, Sony/MS will still strongly support those while using the new tech to make the 'gimmicks' they have in mind (VR) work better.
Wishmaster92
Member
The problem is FF15. The IQ is pure ass which totally ruins the art direction and to top it off the framerate blows! It wasn't even made with ps4k in mind so that's no excuse to ps4k haters. I just want to experience the game at native 1080p 60fps and the ps4k brings me one step closer to that. I don't want any downgrades
At this point, will get a PS4 this year and a NX handheld early next year myself
The one good thing about mid-console refreshes that I realized today is the original consoles will go down heavily in price, making more people get the OG units. So, Sony/MS will still strongly support those while using the new tech to make the 'gimmicks' they have in mind (VR) work better.
Then this is pretty pointless since they have all the say in their pricing. They could just pricecut and sell very well still.
They would lose money on every unsold 4k unit
Um......consoles have downgrades already. Every single console game (outside of first party games/exclusives) has that and while the PS4K might get rid of some of that for people, it won't completely get rid of that.
I wouldn't be shocked if FFXV is one of the early games that get patched to support PS4K/Xbox Elite. But from footage I saw of the game online, the game runs fine enough for me for whenever I get it
.Well currently it wouldn't be as often, the duration as it stands now is 3x that of the phone market.
It can't be that rare or the phones wouldn't be selling like hot cakes on a yearly basis. Sure some people don't upgrade and that is fine, but it is clear many do upgrade.
My phone bill is over double that in one month. And if people are upgrading from PS4 they will already be paying the yearly online fee, assuming they actually want it as it is not required.
I'll be honest it feels like your reaching a lot.
Even if they drop it to 300-250 for OG PS4, that isn't that bad honestly; around the price of a refurbished Wii U right now.
I'm not saying that PS4K is the reason why we would get a price cut, just trying to make lemons out of lemonade here.
Was bitter about this rumor for....a good two weeks now and today just came to terms with stuff around it (lowed price of OG PS4).
Its going to happen regardless if people like it or not, so rather then get worked up over it, let it happen and let the market decide what happens next.
bitbydeath
Member
I was taking it from the PC perspective where some games can still be supported but not all.
I can always add it to both though.
One version. Just like PC games work across N number of setups, except far less variation for the developers with only 2 SKU.
It's the unit cost though turning from a 6 year cycle to a 3-4 year cycle. it's essentially more money spent over time than a 6 year cycle.
At this point, will get a PS4 this year and a NX handheld early next year myself
The one good thing about mid-console refreshes that I realized today is the original consoles will go down heavily in price, making more people get the OG units. So, Sony/MS will still strongly support those while using the new tech to make the 'gimmicks' they have in mind (VR) work better.
Yes, expect a lot of sub 200 ps4s with worn out ds4s on Craigslist when the ps4k drops lol.
Now that I'm level headed about this whole thing, can comment on things fairly now
. I think it will work like this, games in released post Fall 2016 will support the PS4K. You have the option for more stable frame rates, higher res-textures and higher resolutions to play with. OG PS4 users will get he same game at the same frame rate but more eradic and lower resolution (900p OG PS4 vs. 1080p PS4K).
Only a handful of games will really push the tech, with most of them I assume being PS VR titles. That is why I honestly think Sony is making PS4K, so it would logically mean they would work better on this new thing.
Killroyskbg
Member
What? People buy new iteration of everything that does exactly the same thing as the previous one but a bit better at a higher price why would consoles be outside of this.
Not many had 1080p screens when the PS3 released but a few had and bought the PS3 only for the reason it was a bluray player cheaper then the competion and also played games. The same thing here and it is not a 600$ pricepoint this time. Also me and serveral of my friends own 4k television. Mine cost 4000k but many of my friends bought theirs for 1000-1500. They are becoming cheap. And if you or anyone else cant see the difference you should look into it.
And looking at this thread you guys against this are not exactly silent but the vocal ones. The silent ones probably like with almost everything is fine with it.
Sure for people who actually want the upgrade. It's not being forced on anyone, just like phones.
I want to get them at my local store (don't trust online shops man XD!) but I can see that happen to honestly
. ....Feels nice that I'm not upset anymore and can just talk about this with you guys
.I've been a console gamer my whole life. Building a gaming Pc two yrs ago was the best thing I ever did gaming-wise now that these console cycles are narrowing
Killroyskbg
Member
Yeah no one buys new iPhones that is the reason they break their record every time a new one releases.