PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

RK128 said:
Good point.....

Very interested with how everything is going to play out now with a leveled mind :l. This will be a tough thing to announce as people are already pissed off with the announcement. Hell, I was quite bitter for a two weeks over this XD!

If they nail the messaging and the price is right (with upgrade plans for OG owners), it should turn out okay.
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Thing is. They haven't really announced anything yet.
 
thuway said:
Those of you bringing up nomenclature confusion raise a good point. PS Vita all but failed and a lot of it has to do with the name of the machine. I don't know if PS4K is a good name after all, a PS4-S might be a better candidate seeing as how well the S monicker has worked for Apple in the past.
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I think the PS4k name is perfect if they market it more for 4k media.
 
StrongBlackVine said:
PS4K is a new console, not a peripheral device. This is a first and not comparable to anything they have done before.
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sony's experimented with hardware before. not exactly in this way, but the ps tv made a microconsole out of the ps vita, and psp go made the psp into a digital-only platform. neither were particularly well received or supported by sony. this thing might be unless it's so expensive that supporting it does more harm than good, like the $500 xbox one.
 
I see a lot of people disliking this idea, and then saying "especially because I bought one on day 1". If you bought one on day 1 aren't you in the best position? You've had more time with the console that the guy who dropped $350 last week. I don't get this argument.

I bought one on day 1 and have gotten hundreds of hours of gaming entertainment. Im totally cool with a new update. I don't have to buy it immediately and like having the option to upgrade after 3-4 years now.

I usually recommend my friends and family on when to buy phones, computers, etc. It's always to OK to buy early in the buying cycle. Day 1 is good.
 
thuway said:
Apple isn't the first company in the world to use an "S" branding for a premium model of something. Japan has used it for numerous electronics in the past. It would only be suable if Sony suddenly called it the iPlayStation .
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didn't MS use the S for the 360 slim?
 
CheDominik said:
People who had even the tiniest bit of interest would have known what the Wii U is. People weren't interested to begin with and the name didn't change that.
I am always surprised how people think the average buyer of consoles is a complete idiot who can't do a simple google search.
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Enthusiast yes. Average buyer? The mass market? They don't have a clue. Why would they? They don't go on gaming sites, they don't follow gaming news. Even if they Google something they are likely to read the first thing they see only. Researched shoppers aren't that common in most retail items.
 
People need to chill. This is just this gens version of the the slim. Except along with a better shape and hard drive, we also get 1080p and 60 frames.

Ps4 will get a price drop to 199$ and will continue to sell gangbusters. 399$ Ps4k will get bought up by enthusiasts and hardcore that need the bleeding edge for their psvr.

Everyone will be playing the same games. No one will be left out. The player base won't be split any more than when PS3 or ps2 slim came out.

This is nothing but good news.
 
I think people are just worried, Sony has not got a good track record of supporting their hardwares and peripherals over the past few years.

PS Move
Vita
Vita TV
Playstation camera
Wonderbook

Now we're going to have PS4k and PSVR coming during the same period of time. What will happen to the original PS4? Will Sony support the PS4, PS4k or PSVR more or less?
 
Jignx said:
I think people are just worried, Sony has not got a good track record of supporting their hardwares and peripherals over the past few years.

PS Move
Vita
Vita TV
Playstation camera
Wonderbook

Now we're going to have PS4k and PSVR coming during the same period of time. What will happen to the original PS4? Will Sony support the PS4, PS4k or PSVR more or less?
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I think the best way they could go about this is the following:
-PS4 is supported until PS5 launches in 2020 or something.
-PS4K is announced this E3 and releases sometime in November 2016 or Early 2017
-PS4K has no exclusive traditional games (outside of PS VR titles/VR Modes for specific games working only on PS4K)
-PS VR works for both OG PS4 and PS4K for the next three years with little issue outside of some exclusive VR games on PS4K
-Sony has special discount announced at E3; PS4K and PS VR bundle for 599$ (200$ less then both together) to make OG PS4 owners a bit better about the situation
-PS4 and PS4K Share core game library and the only difference is that PS4K has 'Enhanced' Mode that increases makes Frame Rates more stable and ups the resolution
-Some games push PS4K more but 90% of the PS4 library works 1-to-1 on OG PS4 for 2016 and 2017.
-2018-2019 games push PS4K more and the 'Enhanced' Mode is pushed for more games; 70% of PS4 library built in mind for OG PS4
-2020 has PS5 announced and stats that PS4 games are compatible with system
 
Drifters said:
They have to find a way. They cannot afford any confusion with PSVR coming out.
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Yeah, they definitely seem to be in a tight spot if PS4K launches this year. Maybe the best case would be to cut the price of the PS4, and move PS4K to holiday 2017? PS4, PS4k and PSVR all in the same holiday doesn't sound good imo.
 
The God said:
Yeah, they definitely seem to be in a tight spot if PS4K launches this year. Maybe the best case would be to cut the price of the PS4, and move PS4K to holiday 2017? PS4, PS4k and PSVR all in the same holiday doesn't sound good imo.
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I think what I mentioned in the other thread was Sony figuring a way to let developers use the base specs of the PS4 while using the increased gruff of the new model. This has to be 100% seamless to the end user or otherwise, Sony is screwed.
 
I honestly think the timing of this makes it a ploy to slow down PSVR pre-sales because Sony can't build enough PSVR units to satiate the demand for it. They already said they underestimated the demand and that's why they pushed the launch out further. I'm not getting a 4K set anytime soon since upressing HD to "4k" looks like shit on all of them, but I do want the extra horsepower.

I had a feeling they were going to do this though because of the demands of VR, the extra processing breakout box with that and the electronics market move to 4k (honestly I hope they go back to HD and introduce HDR for 1080 personally since I abhor the idea of watching artifact heavy upressed content)

PSVR pre-order wasn't made anticipating this news...and I'm not sure what I'm doing yet, but like most people I'm not dropping for both a new PS4k and a PSVR this year. There should be a trade-in program, but frankly PS4k shouldn't be released until 2017. The extra processors/processing for the breakout box are going to built into the PS4K meaning yet another PSVR sku/bundle without the extra processing box and a another dust binned item if I get PSVR now which will just add to my frustration.

I wanted PSVR for launch, but there are too many moving parts...updates to the PS camera and Move controllers can't be far off either. It sucks to not have Blockbuster..this would be a great time to be able to rent PSVR for the standard PS4 in the interim of getting a PS4K+PSVR combo.
 
AmyS said:
So, 2022 or later?

I really don't believe so. If this PS4K is not real, or never comes out, PS5 will most likely launch in 2020, not later.
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I give it 2019 at the latest, 2018 more likely. If last gen was an anomaly then why release a PS4K right at/around the release of a VR device instead of using the extra year or so for a PS5, that can sell to a greater net of enthusiasts who won't be so tapped out by not one but two not-exactly-cheap gaming hardware devices?
 
Inuhanyou said:
One of the biggest issues feels like they are immolating a huge draw of the console space for no reason at all(IE years of knowing developers will target a single box to draw out the power for years)
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You say that, but gamers seem to be the ones doing as much to immolate that draw these days, since they seem less and less impressed with what devs can eke out of hardware later in a generation and more often just seem to wish they had moved the game to next-gen hardware so it had a better framerate.
 
vonStirlitz said:
Just because you have less under the box, doesn't mean you cant enjoy what you already have.
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This is what XB1 owners have had to deal with since the start and I've seen many get annoyed at the constant mocking from PS4 owners how their version is better and annoyance if effects, resolution, framerate is inferior in the XB1 version of a game. Some have eventually jumped ship and bought a PS4 to get to be "king of the hill" so to speak.

This exact scenario will now move over to PS4 owners too.

We've already seen PS4 owners get annoyed when PC master race type of people enters a thread and start mocking the console versions, in some cases the mods have decided to step in and remind people that the discussion is about console version of a game but for the most part you've just had to endure the mocking.

This exact scenario will now exist within the PS4 community.

It might of course be some kind of inferiority complex, you simply don't like that someone else have better stuff than you so you get annoyed when someone reminds you about it. But whatever, what I don't understand is how ANYONE in these FaceOff-focused-frame-and-pixel-counting days can NOT understand how this sudden change in the console space gets people riled up.

It's true that you don't have to upgrade. But it's also true that you'll likely want to upgrade.

As a PC owner I feel the same way when a new GPU card is unveiled. I'm thinking, maybe I should upgrade. That's just the way it is. Inferiority complex or not. And console gamers now have to deal with that PS4 isn't the best console anymore, the definitive versions will go to another platform, and it's not like you can pretend to be okay with it and use the arguments that you like the controller, ecosystem or exclusive IPs better either. It'll be all salty mode on. It's obvious to me that many former happy PS4 owners will be annoyed at this.
 
RK128 said:
-Sony has special discount announced at E3; PS4K and PS VR bundle for 599$ (200$ less then both together) to make OG PS4 owners a bit better about the situation
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If they release a $499 PS4k+PSVR bundle with no controller, camera or move controllers for existing PS4 owners this would be a win for Sony. I would do that.
 
farisr said:
Prove yourself right.
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That's my point actually. At this stage. With what we know, my positive outlook is just as valid as all the negatives.

You can say 'no it's not' but your answer is only as valid as mine without anything concrete to back it up.

So my point stands. People need to chill.
 
kaching said:
You say that, but gamers seem to be the ones doing as much to immolate that draw these days, since they seem less and less impressed with what devs can eke out of hardware later in a generation and more often just seem to wish they had moved the game to next-gen hardware so it had a better framerate.
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BULL!
Look at last gen right at the end. amazing looking games were coming out that people thought were impossible to pull off.
 
Jignx said:
I think people are just worried, Sony has not got a good track record of supporting their hardwares and peripherals over the past few years.

PS Move
Vita
Vita TV
Playstation camera
Wonderbook

Now we're going to have PS4k and PSVR coming during the same period of time. What will happen to the original PS4? Will Sony support the PS4, PS4k or PSVR more or less?
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PS move had a ton of support and wonderbook and the camera was part of that.

Its getting even more support now,also this is a odd comparison.
 
bitbydeath said:
Updated:

Pros
• Backwards and forwards compatibility;
• No more restarting OS from scratch;
• Less risk with introducing new (costly) tech;
• Less chance of PS2/3 situations for devs having to learn alien tech;
• Closer to the bleeding edge (for those that want it);
• Consumer choice regarding how much to spend;
• No/less need for remasters.

Cons
• Faster transitions.
• Exclusives on PS4K due to not being possible on PS4.
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Forward compatibility is my only problem with this idea.

We can have all the pros you listed without risking any problem a quick iteration will bring if Sony just wait another 18 month, release PS5 instead, without forcing forward compatibility.
We really don't need a new hardware at year 3 to achieve all that.
 
Yeah this move isn't about the power the current boxes have. It's about trying to lock in at least some of these 40 million PS4 owners for the future.
 
RPGam3r said:
You could look at the start of this gen and see the outcry from people saying these machines were weak, and they are.
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By who though? PC crowd? yes
the many randoms I play with online? Nope.
GAF? You know it since people seem to never be happy on here about anything. Will call a game awesome and great and then 1-2 years later say it was bad really.
 
RK128 said:
-PS4 and PS4K Share core game library and the only difference is that PS4K has 'Enhanced' Mode that increases makes Frame Rates more stable and ups the resolution
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If this is going to be the case, then I will sell my PS4 and never touch console again until the end of its life when I'm sure no higher SKU will be released, then I might buy one. Not everyone have the luxury to buy multiple console.

Some will argue that the OG PS4 will play just fine, but when I buy console, I expect a same performance until the end of its life just like all of its predecessor. That being said, I'm cool with this idea if they have trade-in program.

This is coming from someone who have every Sony consoles except Vita.
 
Curious to see the specs of the machine. GPU sounds like Tonga with 28 CU (instead of 18 CU currently). 28 CU = 1792sp against 1154sp in the current PS4. The frequency will be 1Ghz instead of 800Mhz.
 
warheat said:
If this is going to be the case, then I will sell my PS4 and never touch console again until the end of its life when I'm sure no higher SKU will be released, then I might buy one. Not everyone have the luxury to buy multiple console.

Some will argue that the OG PS4 will play just fine, but when I buy console, I expect a same performance until the end of its life just like all of its predecessor. That being said, I'm cool with this idea if they have trade-in program.

This is coming from someone who have every Sony consoles except Vita.
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what does a more powerful ps4 coming out do with the performance of yours?
 
Muzicfreq said:
By who though? PC crowd? yes
the many randoms I play with online? Nope.
GAF? You know it since people seem to never be happy on here about anything. Will call a game awesome and great and then 1-2 years later say it was bad really.
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Still people complaining about visuals and/or performance regardless of being overly negative or wishy washy.

I can't credit or discredit what you hear with "many randoms" online. I can point you to a search here (e.g. Witcher 3) and show many people complaining about it from a tech point of view.
 
bitbydeath said:
Updated:

Pros
• Backwards and forwards compatibility;
• No more restarting OS from scratch;
• Less risk with introducing new (costly) tech;
• Less chance of PS2/3 situations for devs having to learn alien tech;
• Closer to the bleeding edge (for those that want it);
• Consumer choice regarding how much to spend;
• No/less need for remasters.

Cons
• Faster transitions.
• Exclusives on PS4K due to not being possible on PS4.
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Yeah this is pretty much it. I think the Pros outweigh the cons personally.
 
Muzicfreq said:
BULL!
Look at last gen right at the end. amazing looking games were coming out that people thought were impossible to pull off.
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Thought impossible to pull off on decrepit 10 year old hardware. Game graphics on PC were blowing that stuff away.
 
anothertech said:
That's my point actually. At this stage. With what we know, my positive outlook is just as valid as all the negatives.

You can say 'no it's not' but your answer is only as valid as mine without anything concrete to back it up.

So my point stands. People need to chill.
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Well no, not really. Your point wasn't simply "people need to chill". It was "it's gonna be a slim". Which makes it not as valid.

There have been no real leaks/rumors from credible sources pointing towards this being just a slim model, whereas multiple sources seem to indicate this not being a ps4 slim like model and exactly what this topic is discussing, which is what people are freaking out over.

I agree with the "people need to chill" part though. I don't see this situation being all that different from our current state of affairs as ps4 gamers are already playing multiplat games with "significant sacrifices" compared to the pc counterparts.
 
monegames said:
what does a more powerful ps4 coming out do with the performance of yours?
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This is the weirdest argument ever. Are we really asking that when we have DF articles for every game? Stop being weird. People asking this know exactly why the thought of a more powerful console so soon is a cause of concern.


Cynn said:
Thought impossible to pull off on decrepit 10 year old hardware. Game graphics on PC were blowing that stuff away.
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And that will continue to happen?
 
Dubz said:
Console lives last 5-7 years. That's the way it's been since the beginning of consoles. Why fuck with that?
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Yeah, what the fuck, Nintendo?! Announcing a successor 2 years after launch of a new generation...

Silent Hill said:
The thing is the PS4 is not even 3 years old lol.
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It will be before PS4k is available.

Vorg said:
I disagree. I think this move breaks consumer trust completely.
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They'll get used to it. Because they got used to it in any other area, including Smartphones, tablets, TVs, cars, dishwashers, you name it.

bitbydeath said:
Updated:

Pros
• Backwards and forwards compatibility;
• No more restarting OS from scratch;
• Less risk with introducing new (costly) tech;
• Less chance of PS2/3 situations for devs having to learn alien tech;
• Closer to the bleeding edge (for those that want it);
• Consumer choice regarding how much to spend.

Cons
• Faster transitions.
• Exclusives on PS4K due to not being possible on PS4.
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There won't be PS4K exclusives, 2x the power doesn't justitfy to jeopardize a 40mn install base. Maybe (!) some VR games just won't be playable on PS4, but don't worry about costly AAA productions. "Faster transitions" perfectly summarizes the problems with this new approach, incl. costs.


PSYGN said:
Maybe we can get Uncharted 4 remaster on PS4.5.
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Remaster? Lol, no. A PS4K patch making single player mode run 60fps? Yeah, that'd be nice.


Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
I didn't realize 4k TVs were selling like that.
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They've become cheap (German retailer Media Markt offered a 49" 4k for €444 recently) and one year from now they'll be everywhere. 4K will become the new standard, and PS4k will be the first device which acutally delivers some content for them.
 
RPGam3r said:
Still people complaining about visuals and/or performance regardless of being overly negative or wishy washy.

I can't credit or discredit what you hear with "many randoms" online. I can't point you to a search here (e.g. Witcher 3) and show many people complaining about it from a tech point of view.
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But that doesn't stop PS4 sales momentum, PS4 still on track to hit 100m with weak ass hardware.

Before we know about PS4.5, not many people asking for it, not many say "I'm done with console if PS4 can't be more powerful"
 
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