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[DavidDesu]

AAA was always console dominant. This "limiting the PCs" bullshit or "if consoles weren't around we'd had high end AAA titles ALL THE TIME" narrative is still strong after many years.

Yep, I mean if the market was worth pursuing then it would have been pursued... If it was that much better than console then people would flock to PC gaming but that just never really happened outside of enthusiast circles.

As it is we get one or two tent pole PC games every few years from someone like Crytek that's mostly showing off their engine as a glorified tech demo, everyone else targets where the real market is, which is the much more popular console platform and lower end PCs that are in much more abundance. PS4K basically is the high end PC option for console lovers, which I think could be pretty great. If it helps PSVR compete as well then all the better.

 

[Donnie]

Nobody says it will.

That's why its a strange one IMO, they call a console PS4k but don't really make it about 4k outside of a 4k blu-ray players. Not sure I really see the point of the system.

 

[jroc74]

Hyrule Warriors Legend perform as bad as MGS3DS. And even then, its probably the only game (since new 3ds release) that didnt run really well on the old 3DS, and it is out on 3DS's final year.

Its fear-mongering when people keep using this exception as example. There are many other 3DS games which suggest otherwise. Nobody force you to buy at every revision too. Perhaps you should blame your spending habit rather than Sony.

I've thought about this too lately.

Its one example. 2 if you count Xenoblade Chronicles being n3DS only.

But ....why are the SNES games only available for n3DS? (I guess this makes 3 examples...lol) I think this overall is what some fear. I honestly think Sony wouldnt make the same decisions as Nintendo.

We shall see tho. And thats handheld vs console anyway. PS4 and PS4K is console vs console. Its not really an apples to apples comparison bringing up the n3DS. The 3DS also used really old tech.

 

[Corto]

Q1 2017 seems crazy. Everyone knows this thing is happening now, so sales will start to dry up. Already seeing it on deal discussion websites, people saying not to buy a PS4 because there's a new one coming. Surely having it ready in time for Xmas 2016 is pretty important to them.

Depends how much Sony is prepared to rebate the OG PS4. The official announcement of a new PS4K will be immediately followed by the announcement of that rebate. A substantial lower price could entice the price sensitive crowd to finally jump in.

 

[jeff_rigby]

Huh. Well, I like their 'holiday 2016' info more than 'q1 2017'.

I could be wrong but I took that as the OP is from the video and we may have one source that has been distorted. Smaller yet 2 times as powerful with a higher clock for a living room game console is kinda hard to do. Higher clock RAPIDLY increases TDP so it has to start off being more efficient but at 2X the power that efficiency is eaten up.

Also there is a direct conflict with the first leak which says the PS4K is not much more powerful and most of the performance increase is in System + Media + VR which is mostly the Southbridge chip not the GPU. Southbridge has to be firmware updated to support HDMI2 and I believe video at 60 Hz for a HDMI 1.4 TV (optionally frame packed 3D side by side) and video at 120HZ (HDMI 2 standard) side by side not frame packed 3D distorted for the goggles is output at the same time (HDMI 2 standard) . The breakout box primarily acts like a AMD DP breakout box to support multiple monitors.

The Sony VR Goggles plug into a HDMI 2 port and plans are to use them on a PC and possibly other platforms..

 

[GlamFM]

That's why its a strange one IMO, they call a console PS4k but don't really make it about 4k outside of a 4k blu-ray players. Not sure I really see the point of the system.

The OP will give you a good idea of what this system is all about.

 

[Pjsprojects]

This April fool joke was started way to early. Not one report on this rubbish from the press.

Just give it up now guys

 

[gofreak]

I could be wrong but I took that as the OP is from the video and we may have one source that has been distorted. Smaller yet 2 times as powerful with a higher clock for a living room game console is kinda hard to do. Higher clock RAPIDLY increases TDP so it has to start off being more efficient but at 2X the power that efficiency is eaten up.

Also there is a direct conflict with the first leak which says the PS4K is not much more powerful and most of the performance increase is in System + Media + VR which is mostly the Southbridge chip not the GPU. Southbridge has to be firmware updated to support HDMI2 and I believe video at 60 Hz for a HDMI 1.4 TV and video at 120HZ distorted for the goggles is output at the same time. The breakout box primarily acts like a AMD DP breakout box to support multiple monitors.

The video is a wee bit all over the place wrt spec info, but does mention the same '2x GPU power' part, eventually.

 

[GlamFM]

This April fool joke was started way to early. Not one report on this rubbish from the press.

Just give it up now guys

It´s actually everywhere.

 

[Mascot]

Q1 2017 seems crazy. Everyone knows this thing is happening now, so sales will start to dry up. Already seeing it on deal discussion websites, people saying not to buy a PS4 because there's a new one coming. Surely having it ready in time for Xmas 2016 is pretty important to them.

Simultaneous launch with PSVR seems likely.

 

[Pjsprojects]

It´s actually everywhere.

I normally see Facebook posts from the bigger press outlets and not seen any yet.

 

[leeh]

And they will say "WE GOT YOU!! There won't be any PS4K, instead there will be an update that will unlock twice more power for your PS4 so you can get a VR experience as good as with the other devices!!!!"

It's actually the PS4 with the hidden dGPU. It was under our noises all this time.

 

[GlamFM]

I normally see Facebook posts from the bigger press outlets and not seen any yet.

It started almost 2 weeks ago with a report by Kotaku that has since been confirmed by numerous sources:

http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053

Just google "PlayStation 4.5"

 

[geordiemp]

So glad I've started buying the components for a high end pc. I'll sell my ps4 for some decent pc games and the NX.

PC or Nintendo centric gamers would be moving to their platforms of choice anyway with or without ps4K.

For me I want 3rd party games such as Witcher 4 or Battlefield 5 at 1080p60 with lots of nice effects that I can play using a controller in the living room and not mixed with 3 ms monitor, 150 deg FOV macro using mouse players clicking on my head in PVP running at 144 FPS using sli Titan pascal lol.

So its sony Ps4k maybe if its good enough, or I am unsure about teh other options if xb 1.5 mixes PC + console.

PC UWP might work if MS can fight the we must mod PC community, which I doubt, and Nintendo is Nintendo and will chase their 60 million handheld fans and toys to life imo.

Calling it a PS4K would be a mistake IMO. Conveniently it works as a name, but it'll just be derided for not being able to actually achieve 4K in games.

Its will be one of the new 4K blu ray players, so it makes sense. Not everybody reads Neogaf or is thinking about 4K native gaming.....

 

[Melchiah]

I guess the difference is the promise of longer (and meaningful) support, which is in jeopardy now, potentially. But yeah, the investment was worth it nonetheless - not sure I'm interested going forward, however.

I don't see how it's in jeopardy, as it's not like the original PS4 won't be supported, or that games would perform worse on it than they did. I'm sure, that any game which fails to stay at 1080/30fps will be blamed on the PS4K in the future though.

I'm definitely going to buy a PS4K, if it offers a noticeable improvement on 1080p TV, but I'm not really looking forward to buy a system on three-year intervals. It's not going to stop me from buying system at the start of the new generation either, as the alternative would be to not being able play new games at all. I feel a bit mixed about what it means in the longer run, but it's not like I have to upgrade every time something new is in the horizon.

 

[nekkid]

Calling it a PS4K would be a mistake IMO. Conveniently it works as a name, but it'll just be derided for not being able to actually achieve 4K in games.

 

[Pjsprojects]

It started almost 2 weeks ago with a report by Kotaku that has since been confirmed by numerous sources:

http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053

Just google "PlayStation 4.5"

Yeah I saw that but this seems to move details a step to near. Guess we will all find out later on.

 

[GlamFM]

Yeah I saw that but this seems to move details a step to near. Guess we will all find out later on.

OP is Bish verified.

There is also this 4 day old video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1xmoz99tU

Calling it a PS4K would be a mistake IMO. Conveniently it works as a name, but it'll just be derided for not being able to actually achieve 4K in games.

It achieves 4K in video and upscales games to 4K. It´s clever, it´s catchy, it´s marketable.

It´s the name.

 

[Melchiah]

The ps3 didn't get abandoned either, it just all priority for the new console and if you think the same won't happen here you are deluding yourself.

That's hardly the same thing, considering there was a generational shift, not to mention a fundamental change in hardware, unlike now.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

The video is a wee bit all over the place wrt spec info, but does mention the same '2x GPU power' part, eventually.

I just want the 2X GPU part to be clarified. None of these insiders have replied to questions and it is a bit frustrating.

I can't see it being 2 GPUs as that is the most inefficient way you can do that (especially in a console). It would either be a doubling of the CUs from 20(18) to 40(36) for the current 7870 like GPU or a Polaris based equivalent. Both on 14nm.

I lean toward Polaris because I can't see Sony paying AMD to do a custom unique GPU just for them when there is a brand new efficient GPU right there.

 

[geordiemp]

I just want the 2X GPU part to be clarified. None of these insiders have replied to questions and it is a bit frustrating.

I can't see it being 2 GPUs as that is the most inefficient way you can do that (especially in a console). It would either be a doubling of the CUs from 20(18) to 40(36) for the current 7870 like GPU or a Polaris based equivalent. Both on 14nm.

I lean toward Polaris because I can't see Sony paying AMD to do a custom unique GPU just for them when there is a brand new efficient GPU right there.

Agree, 2 GPU, especially that guy who said SLI, would be a disaster as SLI does not go anywhere near doubling the performance, especially for a Ps4 which is bandwidth starved with a weak CPU.

Hard drive access needs improving as well, and give us > 2 TB hard drives possibility without having to cut up the ps4 case,

Custom Polaris & Zen APU, 8 GB Gdrr5X and a Sata 3 with more room for nice drives would be the best, and chuck another USB on the back. If they gimp then its not worth the effort and they may as well wait until Ps5 and give it until Xmas 2017.

 

[GlamFM]

I just want the 2X GPU part to be clarified. None of these insiders have replied to questions and it is a bit frustrating.

I can't see it being 2 GPUs as that is the most inefficient way you can do that (especially in a console). It would either be a doubling of the CUs from 20(18) to 40(36) for the current 7870 like GPU or a Polaris based equivalent. Both on 14nm.

I lean toward Polaris because I can't see Sony paying AMD to do a custom unique GPU just for them when there is a brand new efficient GPU right there.

Where does this 2 GPUs thing even come from?

OP says "2x GPU power" and that´s all I ever heard.

 

[Heebie Jeebies]

I'm really confused by the price. Does the OP mean the new version will be $499 before a 4k bluray player is taken into consideration? Because if it's $499 all included, that is nothing short of a daft price.

 

[gofreak]

I just want the 2X GPU part to be clarified. None of these insiders have replied to questions and it is a bit frustrating.

I can't see it being 2 GPUs as that is the most inefficient way you can do that (especially in a console). It would either be a doubling of the CUs from 20(18) to 40(36) for the current 7870 like GPU or a Polaris based equivalent. Both on 14nm.

I lean toward Polaris because I can't see Sony paying AMD to do a custom unique GPU just for them when there is a brand new efficient GPU right there.

It's one GPU with twice the power as far as I've read here... not really sure where the two GPU thing came from. Polaris vs Liverpool scaled up? Not sure... the latter could be attractive from the point of view of watertight compatibility for low lever software interactions, if there are any notable architectural or behavioural differences between Polaris and the original Liverpool architecture.

I think whatever it is will again be a custom chip though, be it Polaris based or not.

 

[Melchiah]

I'm really confused by the price. Does the OP mean the new version will be $499 before a 4k bluray player is taken into consideration? Because if it's $499 all included, that is nothing short of a daft price.

Considering, that dedicated 4K players cost 399$ now, it sounds like a good deal.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Where does this 2 GPUs thing even come from?

OP says "2x GPU power" and that´s all I ever heard.

Originally the OP title said 2X power plus higher clocks, but that was amended. Zoetis then came in and mentioned SLI. Questions asked to clarify haven't been answered AFAIK?

Edit: I should state that I'm not having a go at the OP or Zoetis. Reading between the lines (probably wrong!) the info is coming from the marketing side rather than the tech side?

 

[Heebie Jeebies]

Considering, that dedicated 4K players cost 399$ now, it sounds like a good deal.

It's an amazing deal, by 'daft price' I mean on Sony's part. As someone who hasn't owned a console in almost a decade, I would buy this in a heartbeat if it's true.

 

[jeff_rigby]

I'm really confused by the price. Does the OP mean the new version will be $499 before a 4k bluray player is taken into consideration? Because if it's $499 all included, that is nothing short of a daft price.

UHD blu-ray uses a modern blu-ray drive and firmware updates it to read version 2 disks. All blu-ray drives can read 3 layers and some more but the 2010 Sony-Panasonic tweak to increase a layer storage size to 33 GB requires a firmware update (Launch PS4 and XB1). In the PS4 all the other components to support UHD including most of the HDMI features have to be in the Southbridge SoC as the Media TEE. UI in the XB1 and PS4 is supported by the Web browser with full screen video the GPU is turned off additionally GDDR5 can be in self refresh on the PS4.

A Microsoft VP said in 2013 that the XB1 has the hardware to support UHD Blu-ray. I believe the same is true for the PS4

 

[Brewster's Wallet]

This will end the "PC is more expensive" argument for sure.

I'm done with consoles if this is all true.

I spent a long time trying to justify spending on the console over a better GPU.
Well, won't make that mistake again.

 

[Melchiah]

It's an amazing deal, by 'daft price' I mean on Sony's part. As someone who hasn't owned a console in almost a decade, I would buy this in a heartbeat if it's true.

Ah, my bad. =) A 4K player in itself isn't that exciting to me, as I haven't bought movies in a long while due to streaming services. It's a nice bonus though, especially if Netflix and the rest start to offer 4K content with a reasonable price.

 

[grumble]

As a current owner, I'm very pissed about this. Pretty much a guarantee that as I thought earlier the ps4 will get clunkier versions of many games going forward.

 

[RipperGrim]

That's hardly the same thing, considering there was a generational shift, not to mention a fundamental change in hardware, unlike now.

Double the gpu power and a new CPU isn't a fundamental hardware change? It's an upgrade and the Sony will focus all of it's efforts on getting you to buy it, they wouldn't do this if they thought it was fine for everyone to not get this and just stick with the PS4.

I can't believe people are actually even in support of making consoles like cellphones.

 

[GlamFM]

As a current owner, I'm very pissed about this. Pretty much a guarantee that as I thought earlier the ps4 will get clunkier versions of many games going forward.

You will get the versions you would have gotten regardless.

It´s not like they are going to make the PS4 versions somehow run worse just to fuck with you.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Double the gpu power and a new CPU isn't a fundamental hardware change? I

Nope, it's not. Is significant, yes, but not fundamental. Those familiar with the effect of diminishing returns will tell you, that a twice as powerful system doesn't mean games will look twice as good. Not even close...

 

[Springfoot]

This is just blantantly false. The amount of games over just the last few years that have been reduced in scale and graphic fidelity because of the console platform is huge.

I'm still sad Unreal Engine 4 had to drop SVOGI due to the limitations of console hardware

Detailed realtime global illumination is a major milestone that we just barely missed hitting because the hardware turned out to be under powered compared to what Epic (and several other engine developers) expected from this generation. Other things like order-independent transparency, or simply having stable 1080p/60fps without having to step down to last-gen lighting and shaders are also largely unachievable on the hardware in PS4/XBO. Devs are still able to get quite a bit out of what we have, but it's not the jump everyone was hoping for.

 

[nekkid]

Maybe PS4K just supports DirectX12.

Spoiler

No I'm not being serious.

 

[valkyre]

Scumbag Sony wont announce shit about PS4K until Uncharted 4 releases for a good window of time my guess is.

Lots of potential owners could go for it.

And then, they will just tell them that they can upgrade their hardware... fun times.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Edited to add:

I got a bit more information today but I am trying to find out who all knows about it before posting.

So, anything new?

 

[Melchiah]

Double the gpu power and a new CPU isn't a fundamental hardware change? It's an upgrade and the Sony will focus all of it's efforts on getting you to buy it, they wouldn't do this if they thought it was fine for everyone to not get this and just stick with the PS4.

I can't believe people are actually even in support of making consoles like cellphones.

What I meant, was that the hardware is still based on x86 architecture, that ensures the same games run on both systems. It's also only 2x jump in performance, not 8-10x jump. The same can't be said about PS3 and PS4. Let alone, that many current gen games aren't even available on the PS3. It's nothing but hyperbole to think the original PS4 will be neglected or abandoned.

An upgrade in the middle of the generation doesn't sound that bad to me. It's far from getting annual cellphone upgrades.

 

[Bowler]

As a current owner, I'm very pissed about this. Pretty much a guarantee that as I thought earlier the ps4 will get clunkier versions of many games going forward.

How do you know your not getting the same version you would have gotten if there was no ps4k? The version still better then the x1?

People still using the same words. Inferior, clunkier.

That's completely nonsense, the only difference will be one will have ultra/max settings, the other high/ medium settings, and x1 medium/ low setting.

 

[SpideySenses]

People who are ready to swear off consoles really need to wait to see what Nintendo have up their sleeve, they could absolutely disappoint but even if the NX is likely to have incremental console updates too, at least we should have an idea on day 1 so can weigh up the options accordingly. Sony and Microsoft didn't give us that option.

 

[woen]

OP is Bish verified.

There is also this 4 day old video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1xmoz99tU



It achieves 4K in video and upscales games to 4K. It´s clever, it´s catchy, it´s marketable.

It´s the name.

So cute to see that much Sony insiders here, while the sources of the articles say that we may never see the "PS4K" because it is still experimental.

Also, yeah, it's confusing, just look at the people on this thread who say "oh non I bought a 1080p TV recently, it's already obsolete!!".

 

[GlamFM]

So cute to see that much Sony insiders here, while the sources of the articles say that we may never see the "PS4K" because it is still experimental.

Also, yeah, it's confusing, just look at the people on this thread who say "oh non I bought a 1080p TV recently, it's already obsolete!!".

You'd be surprised how many industry insiders roam GAF.

 

[omonimo]

I'm still sad Unreal Engine 4 had to drop SVOGI due to the limitations of console hardware

Detailed realtime global illumination is a major milestone that we just barely missed hitting because the hardware turned out to be under powered compared to what Epic (and several other engine developers) expected from this generation. Other things like order-independent transparency, or simply having stable 1080p/60fps without having to step down to last-gen lighting and shaders are also largely unachievable on the hardware in PS4/XBO. Devs are still able to get quite a bit out of what we have, but it's not the jump everyone was hoping for.

I'm not that sure it's only for console limitations. SVOGI it's extremely expensive on PC too.

 

[xamidoxhua]

So does anyone think this could be part of a strategy to drive 4K TV adoption given Sony's place in that market? I think its often ignored just how much PS3 and 360 did to drive flatscreen HDTV sales in the mid 2000's. My former Boss was the CFO of a large Australian electronics retailer in that era, and he once told me that while it wasn't the only factor, he credited PS3 and 360 for kickstarting the consumer upgrade push from the old CRT sets to flat panel HD.

Maybe they're trying to do that same for 4K? Give consumers a reason to upgrade by giving them a content source.

 

[Lt.Chips]

Somebody please tell me this is one big April fool's joke. Will switch to NX and PC if this is true

 

[qa_engineer]

Somebody please tell me this is one big April fool's joke. Will switch to NX and PC if this is true

Bye, Felicia

 

[wapplew]

So does anyone think this could be part of a strategy to drive 4K TV adoption given Sony's place in that market? I think its often ignored just how much PS3 and 360 did to drive flatscreen HDTV sales in the mid 2000's. My former Boss was the CFO of a large Australian electronics retailer in that era, and he once told me that while it wasn't the only factor, he credited PS3 and 360 for kickstarting the consumer upgrade push from the old CRT sets to flat panel HD.

Maybe they're trying to do that same for 4K? Give consumers a reason to upgrade by giving them a content source.

Sure many will upgrade 4K tv, Samsung or LG mostly.

 

[exmachina64]

"2X GPU power" could easily be based on games run at 1080p60 rather than 1080p30 and gotten lost in translation somewhere.

FWIW, I think it will be based on the 200/300 series.

Somebody please tell me this is one big April fool's joke. Will switch to NX and PC if this is true

Were you buying a PS4 for multiplatform games instead of exclusives?

 

[Impeccable]

It´s not like they are going to make the PS4 versions somehow run worse just to fuck with you.

No, but they won't put the best effort in ensuring they run as good as they would have had it been a single console platform launch. We've already seen it a bunch this generation.

I'm firmly in the, "going to PC" crowd or waiting for the first time in my life for a console for several years.

Logically it just doesn't make sense for me to stay a primary "console" gamer when the exclusives this generation have been absolutely lacklustre so far and I can get a way better experience for the same amount of money out of a PC.