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[MicSte79]

People saying "I am done with consoles" - what will be your gaming platform? PC? Because it will be still be far more expensive in the long run to play on a updated, powerful PC. I have a friend who has had to upgrade his PC three times in the last 2 years.

This is huge news. Sony have woken up and are going to be offering consumers the chance to own a powerful piece of gaming kit at console prices.

 

[kyser73]

Also, I agree with whomever stated upthread that this is the start of PlayStation as a Platform - the next big mainline model may be called just 'Playstation' without a number.

 

[Planet]

This is just blantantly false. The amount of games over just the last few years that have been reduced in scale and graphic fidelity because of the console platform is huge.

The reason why game developers hardly ever exclusively target high end PCs, at a level far beyond consoles, is that there are very few of those and the piracy rate is very high. It simply wouldn't pay off the development costs.

So while your argument isn't wrong that games are made in scale to fit consoles, the consoles made those games possible in the first place. They are not holding you PC gamers back at all.

And at a point where the PS4 install base gets to comfortable levels, the user base is getting split and the number of target platforms (and thus development costs) is raised. Yeah, this sure we'll work out just fine.

This thread should have been done with the N3DS video of Hyrule Warriors. It sucks on the old platform and games will start to suck on regular Joe PS4 when this all comes true (I cling to a sliver off hope it doesn't). And multiplayer advantage will become a problem much sooner.

If the PS4K comes out as discussed, I will surely buy it but I will still hate it. I am too much invested in the eco system. But I might jump off at the next generation, don't know where to yet. I don't get why people applaud to the thought of spending $400 every 3 years while $600 for a 6 year period would surely have been named a catastrophic failure.

 

[kyser73]

Xbox was released in March 14, 2002 in Europe, and the 360 was released in December 2, 2005. That's less than four years. Wii U came out less than 3½ years ago, and the rumors are pointing the NX to be released within four years of its predecessor.

The console development never ceases, there's no difference in that regard with generational or iterative releases. When one product is launched, the next is in the planning stages.

Since the leap from PS4 to PS4K is much smaller than a generational one, it should be also easier to ignore for those who don't care about upgrading.


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I mean, I haven't seen upset people on the NX threads I've glanced through. I haven't browsed through all the pages, as I'm not that interested in the subject, but one would think if there was outrage it would show on the first pages.

That'll come after it launches strongly & peters out like a damp sparkler.

 

[GlamFM]

I don't get why people applaud to the thought of spending $400 every 3 years while $600 for a 6 year period would surely have been named a catastrophic failure.

Because it´s optional. People love having options.

 

[Razgreez]

Also, I agree with whomever stated upthread that this is the start of PlayStation as a Platform - the next big mainline model may be called just 'Playstation' without a number.

It's not even as though this is some sort of hidden or insidious fact/move. Sony have been quite clear/open about it

 

[Melchiah]

I'm sorry, but I don't regret buying the Wii U and frankly, I haven't met anyone with a Wii U who does. The games were well worth it!

The same applies to the PS4. Some people claim the PS4K somehow ruins their current system, but I don't see how it would retroactively make the past 28 months of gaming experiences not worth it. I've played over 20 games during that time, not counting remasters, and loved many of them. Some of them, like Bloodborne, Driveclub, and Resogun, are among my all-time favorites.

 

[MicSte79]

Because it´s optional. People love having options.

Indeed. People have no problem with spending £300-£600 on a new phone every year.

This is no different. No-one is forcing us to buy it. It's new tech for the people who own 4K TVs like myself and want to treat themselves.

 

[warheat]

I mean, I haven't seen upset people on the NX threads I've glanced through. I haven't browsed through all the pages, as I'm not that interested in the subject, but one would think if there was outrage it would show on the first pages.

Really? Check out /r/WiiU for example, this thread was made because many people are upset.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wiiu/comments/3a3zz5/psa_it_is_not_i_repeat_not_the_end_of_the_world/

 

[GlamFM]

I'm sorry, but I don't regret buying the Wii U and frankly, I haven't met anyone with a Wii U who does. The games were well worth it!

I do. I bought 2 games for my WiiU and have not finished them. That was a huge waste of cash. I´m still very excited for the NX (and the PS4K)

 

[cyberheater]

It's going to be quite a big console with 2 GPUS in it.

 

[GlamFM]

It's going to be quite a big console with 2 GPUS in it.

There wont be 2 GPUs in it.

 

[Melchiah]

Really? Check out /r/WiiU for example, this thread was made because many people are upset.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wiiu/comments/3a3zz5/psa_it_is_not_i_repeat_not_the_end_of_the_world/

Ah, I've missed that, as Reddit isn't among the websites I usually visit.

 

[Dahaka]

Because it´s optional. People love having options.

Dies.

Just a little anecdote but I remember the guy buying my Division PS4 copy from kleinanzeigen and when I told what I like or don't like he told me he played it his friend's house (who didn't stop reminding him to finally join party) and while he had tons of fun he wished the PS4 version would run better - if only there was a faster S version. He laughed. Well, he'll probably laugh harder now. Happily. If not for a better division then for the choice of being able to have it better in general soon enough.

 

[Hyun Sai]

Well, between paid online and 3 years cycle, the cost of playing on console (already high) is becoming ridiculous for the restriction they have, even for the exclusives.

If this is becoming a trend, PS4 will likely be my last console and I'll just upgrade my PC from now on.

 

[GlamFM]

Well, between paid online and 3 years cycle, the cost of playing on console (already high) is becoming ridiculous for the restriction they have, even for the exclusives.

If this is becoming a trend, PS4 will likely be my last console and I'll just upgrade my PC from now on.

I doubt this will be cheaper in the long run.

 

[Rinさとり]

If PS4K means 60fps jRPGs im all for it

 

[Chobel]

I think there will be at least one game which will be exclusive to PS4K, or should I say have a mode exclusive to PS4K: No Man's Sky VR will be exclusive to PS4K. The game is hardly 60fps on PS4 let alone have a VR mode on PS4.

 

[cyberheater]

There wont be 2 GPUs in it.

They also have to somehow fit in a clock.

 

[GlamFM]

They also have to somehow fit in a clock.

And a tent.

Hope it´s already set up.

 

[ArtHands]

The reason why game developers hardly ever exclusively target high end PCs, at a level far beyond consoles, is that there are very few of those and the piracy rate is very high. It simply wouldn't pay off the development costs.

So while your argument isn't wrong that games are made in scale to fit consoles, the consoles made those games possible in the first place. They are not holding you PC gamers back at all.

And at a point where the PS4 install base gets to comfortable levels, the user base is getting split and the number of target platforms (and thus development costs) is raised. Yeah, this sure we'll work out just fine.

This thread should have been done with the N3DS video of Hyrule Warriors. It sucks on the old platform and games will start to suck on regular Joe PS4 when this all comes true (I cling to a sliver off hope it doesn't). And multiplayer advantage will become a problem much sooner.

If the PS4K comes out as discussed, I will surely buy it but I will still hate it. I am too much invested in the eco system. But I might jump off at the next generation, don't know where to yet. I don't get why people applaud to the thought of spending $400 every 3 years while $600 for a 6 year period would surely have been named a catastrophic failure.

Hyrule Warriors Legend perform as bad as MGS3DS. And even then, its probably the only game (since new 3ds release) that didnt run really well on the old 3DS, and it is out on 3DS's final year.

Its fear-mongering when people keep using this exception as example. There are many other 3DS games which suggest otherwise. Nobody force you to buy at every revision too. Perhaps you should blame your spending habit rather than Sony.

 

[cyberheater]

And a tent.

Hope it´s already set up.

Indeed

 

[Markoman]

I'm sorry, but I don't regret buying the Wii U and frankly, I haven't met anyone with a Wii U who does. The games were well worth it!

As for the bolded part, what do you mean exactly? Every console dies, but I guess you mean OBVIOUSLY dying consoles? How could you even tell? If it turns out the regular PS4 suffers because of the PS4K (hope not!), would you have predicted the PS4 was a dying console?

I've bought my WiiU in summer 2014 and we all already knew back then that it was going to be a huge flop sales-wise with an inevitable short life.
I couldn't resist Bayonetta 2 and Smash 4 though. End of story

 

[Iztok Mravlja]

The same applies to the PS4. Some people claim the PS4K somehow ruins their current system, but I don't see how it would retroactively make the past 28 months of gaming experiences not worth it. I've played over 20 games during that time, not counting remasters, and loved many of them. Some of them, like Bloodborne, Driveclub, and Resogun, are among my all-time favorites.

I guess the difference is the promise of longer (and meaningful) support, which is in jeopardy now, potentially. But yeah, the investment was worth it nonetheless - not sure I'm interested going forward, however.

 

[Hyun Sai]

I doubt this will be cheaper in the long run.

If there is no trade in program of my current PS4 for the next model, yes, I already did the math.

 

[GlamFM]

If there is no trade in program of my current PS4 for the next model, yes, I already did the math.

You don´t need a trade in program to get some cash out of your PS4 though.

I assume Gamestop will have some morally questionable offer, but you can sell your PS4 wherever you want.

150 - 200$ is not unrealistic on eBay even when the PS4K is announced.

 

[Kyoufu]

I guess the difference is the promise of longer (and meaningful) support, which is in jeopardy now, potentially. But yeah, the investment was worth it nonetheless - not sure I'm interested going forward, however.

Nothing is in jeopardy. Sony aren't going to suddenly abandon 40-50 million PS4s out there by the end of this year.

 

[Cid Highwind]

As long as my PS4 (that I got only a few months ago) will be supported fully I don't care. If they try to start phasing it out and more or less forcing people to upgrade I'd be quite pissed, but I doubt Sony is that stupid.

 

[RipperGrim]

Nothing is in jeopardy. Sony aren't going to suddenly abandon 40-50 million PS4s out there by the end of this year.

The ps3 didn't get abandoned either, it just all priority for the new console and if you think the same won't happen here you are deluding yourself.

 

[Hyun Sai]

You don´t need a trade in program to get some cash out of your PS4 though.

I assume Gamestop will have some morally questionable offer, but you can sell your PS4 wherever you want.

150 - 200$ is not unrealistic on eBay even when the PS4K is announced.

True, but the same can be said when upgrading a computer, and I didn't even take that in account to give a chance to the console part.

 

[gofreak]

Probably LTTP with this, but I just noticed that The Know had the same info as the OP 6 days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1xmoz99tU

EDIT:

THIS IS IMPORTANT!

Huh. Well, I like their 'holiday 2016' info more than 'q1 2017'.

 

[Alx]

I guess the difference is the promise of longer (and meaningful) support, which is in jeopardy now, potentially.

There's something interesting in people judging the worth of their console not based on what it does, but what they expect it to do for a given length of time. In fact those people are the closest to ask for "gaming as a service", since that's what they consider they're paying for : an access to a continuous stream of new content.
And "gaming as a service" has a logical tendency to separate itself from the hardware. Just like when you subscribe to a phone or internet service, you don't really care for the hardware, which you usually rent or pay through your subscription, and which the provider can sometimes replace for you when new models are available.
Maybe the model that would fit that demand would be the same as what internet providers do, subscribe for a given amount of time and you'll get a "black box" that will give you access to your content. You wouldn't even have to buy your console in a shop any more, just sign for two years of PSN++ and you'll get the latest Playstation by mail.

Of course that wouldn't please those who want physical ownership of games, but then that perspective is more "the worth of my console is what it can do now" than "it is what it should be doing for the next few years".

Sorry, just random thoughts.

 

[Mascot]

The PS4 was underpowered from day one. I welcome this news.

 

[Warablo]

Eh, its gonna suck not being able to afford the upgrade. Though I am happy with this approach.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

The ps3 didn't get abandoned either, it just all priority for the new console and if you think the same won't happen here you are deluding yourself.

You can't compare that. PS3 and PS4 don't share the same library, despite some few cross-buy titles. I am sure they'll keep an even cheaper revised PS4 as entry-level solution until the very end of this generation.

 

[Jamiaro]

Yeah, nor gonna buy PSVR now. If I am forced to pick either PSVR or the PS4K, I'll go for PS4K. Gotta wait for info first.

 

[BossDarkseid]

fuck me this sounds amazing

2x GPU?

goddamn

its not that much, considering generational leap from ps3 to ps4 was approximately 10x. it's not like it'd magically solve performance woes, it seems like the PS4 + Xbox One's issues are more with crap CPUs than anything else, although the GPUs could be more powerful ofc...

 

[Toxa]

this april fool will be confirmed later today

 

[Toxa]

its not that much, considering generational leap from ps3 to ps4 was approximately 10x. it's not like it'd magically solve performance woes, it seems like the PS4 + Xbox One's issues are more with crap CPUs than anything else, although the GPUs could be more powerful ofc...

well when I see uncharted I see no issue with the CPU.
maybe some dev doesn't know how to use a GPU centric console

 

[Lucifon]

Q1 2017 seems crazy. Everyone knows this thing is happening now, so sales will start to dry up. Already seeing it on deal discussion websites, people saying not to buy a PS4 because there's a new one coming. Surely having it ready in time for Xmas 2016 is pretty important to them.

 

[Caipirinha]

I think there will be at least one game which will be exclusive to PS4K, or should I say have a mode exclusive to PS4K: No Man's Sky VR will be exclusive to PS4K. The game is hardly 60fps on PS4 let alone have a VR mode on PS4.

Other than VR games I think the entire point of this being a "mid generation upgrade" as opposed to a new console is that nothing is exclusive to the PS4K.

Imo Sony shouldn't allow a single game to be exclusive, unless it is a VR games that absolutely needs the extra power.

That's the only way I can see this not being a shitty move and de facto 3 year generation wit the PS4K being a new console generation.

 

[GlamFM]

this april fool will be confirmed later today

Just stop with this April fools nonsense.

 

[Dahaka]

Just stop with this April fools nonsense.

He's fooling himself inception-style.

 

[MarkMclovin]

So glad I've started buying the components for a high end pc. I'll sell my ps4 for some decent pc games and the NX.

 

[Jamiaro]

So glad I've started buying the components for a high end pc. I'll sell my ps4 for some decent pc games and the NX.

Actually considering this myself. Never been a pc-gamer, been a Sony-fanboy since the first PS. Depending on what Sony says about the PS4K,I may have to convert... so sad.

 

[DavidDesu]

This is just blantantly false. The amount of games over just the last few years that have been reduced in scale and graphic fidelity because of the console platform is huge.

I wonder how small the niche is on PC of people with architecture able to do stuff way above what PS4 can do though. Would any major publisher actually target a game at that niche, and really make the most of that hardware available. I'd say no.

Surely the console keeping apace with the higher end PC level means we're far more likely to see games from major publishers that do actually start to really push the envelope... non?

 

[Donnie]

Seems a strange one this, because the rumoured specs won't be enough to run current PS4 games at 4k resolution. Perhaps its much more about supporting PSVR?

 

[Herb Alpert]

this april fool will be confirmed later today

And they will say "WE GOT YOU!! There won't be any PS4K, instead there will be an update that will unlock twice more power for your PS4 so you can get a VR experience as good as with the other devices!!!!"

 

[GlamFM]

Seems a strange one this, because the rumoured specs won't be enough to run current PS4 games at 4k resolution. Perhaps its much more about supporting PSVR?

Nobody says it will.

 

[Dahaka]

I wonder how small the niche is on PC of people with architecture able to do stuff way above what PS4 can do though. Would any major publisher actually target a game at that niche, and really make the most of that hardware available. I'd say no.

Surely the console keeping apace with the higher end PC level means we're far more likely to see games from major publishers that do actually start to really push the envelope... non?

AAA was always console dominant. This "limiting the PCs" bullshit or "if consoles weren't around we'd had high end AAA titles ALL THE TIME" narrative is still strong after many years.